Religion of love?

[muhammad_isa]

The concept of blaspheming in itself... when one makes anything so sacred that a person who doesn't believe as you is automatically characterized by their words seems ludicrous.

Mmm .. blasphemy laws have often been "hijacked" by various people and creeds.

The thing is, that it is possible to be an atheist, without making a noise about it.
Those who make a noise about it, usually have an agenda of destroying a society that has
its values rooted in a belief system.

Similarly, it is possible to have "unusual" sexual preferences .. but those that make a noise
about it want to destroy THOSE values.

In other words, what a majority might consider evil-doing, is being challenged by a minority.
..so many societies have laws to protect their social downfall.

These days, the West in particular, have chosen/ or been forced to abandon their cultural roots,
and are heading into dangerous territory, with society breaking down.
Some politicians even famously claim that there IS no such thing as society!

 

[RabbiO]

How do you want them to treat you?

The way they want to be treated? Or the way you wish to be treated? What they think is right? Or what you think is right?

Why do we not treat our neighbors the way they wish to be treated?

I think you know the answers to your questions. You’re too savy not to.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I'm reading your posts because I'm open to your opinion which is based on a completely different education and which finally lead you to your position, and I even think to understand how you came to it. But even if you think that there is nothing behind our faith in God because there is no God, I would like to invite you to read. Surprise: As a Muslim, as a first reading, I recommend you Isaiah, Jeremiah, Qohelet (Ecclesiaste) and the Gospel according to Luke from the Bible, becauseI think it gives you a better access than directly reading the Quran without any knowledge of the background.

Thanks for that Talib-al-kalim. I have read some of what you mention, the Gospels and the Qur'an. I understand (to a certain extent) the Abrahamic view point and the Christian, Islamic, Shia, Bahai, Ahmadiyya, Ismaili, Dawoodi take on it. I found no problem in understanding Qur'an and the hadiths, and the possible reasons why Allah dictated these verses to Prophet Mohammad (Sallalahu aleyhi wasallam).

 

[Aupmanyav]

The thing is, that it is possible to be an atheist, without making a noise about it.
Those who make a noise about it, usually have an agenda of destroying a society that has
its values rooted in a belief system.

.. so many societies have laws to protect their social downfall.

These days, the West in particular, have chosen/ or been forced to abandon their cultural roots,
and are heading into dangerous territory, with society breaking down.
Some politicians even famously claim that there IS no such thing as society!

Oh, only theists should make noise. Wrong belief systems bring trouble to themselves and to others.
Nice. Kill the heretic.
Yeah, societies have different cultural values.
Whether the society does not like a change or likes it, both should come democratically.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Whether the society does not like a change or likes it, both should come democratically.

Agreed upon.

 

[talib-al-kalim]

This statement is not uncommon in zealous discussion... the perceived offense and religious label used instead of atheist varies...but we have heard it all.

The concept of blaspheming in itself... when one makes anything so sacred that a person who doesn't believe as you is automatically characterized by their words seems ludicrous.

I don't expect people of other or no faith to observe what is sacred in my religion. But I insist in a respectful way of expressing dissent.
@Aupmanyav has answered respectfully to my post, so it's ok for me.
I don't actually understand what you want to say with your last sentence - do you say that I am ludicrous or that I make others ludicrous - I would reject both.

 

[wil]

I don't actually understand what you want to say with your last sentence - do you say that I am ludicrous or that I make others ludicrous - I would reject both.

We have freedom of expression where I live. The govt has provided some boundaries which get tested on the regular.

If you choose to add more boundaries within your home or place of worship on what I say, write, draw, drink or eat beyond those restrictions...I would tend to abide or leave ... same goes for this forum

But outside in public space or my private space I'll play by their rules...expecting otherwise, is ludicrous imo