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actually He did, but again your distorted views by way of Muhammad run your mind.
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Does Muhammad get a pass like he did about the number of wives a person can have. Muhammad 6 everyone else 4. Muhammad started a lot of aggression, once again your history books.
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muhammad_isa said, "Jesus did not choose to be put on a cross."
muhammad_isa said, "Jesus did not choose to be put on a cross."
You both are right. Mk 14:35-36 (par. Lk,Mt):
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I like people and I don't like people, is that unusual? My problem is that the Bible runs this same theme. God and Moses even have an argument over who's people Israel is when they are in the dessert and sinning, Moses says to God: they are your people and God says back to Moses: they are your people. Neither wanted these sinful people at that time. Jesus exclaimed more than once: "how much longer do I have to put up with you" God says that the "heart of man is evil" Jesus says “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders" all these things are common to all mankind. Like I have already stated a few times here, I am so tired of lies, lies, and more lies. Everybody lies, even to themselves. But I do have a huge number of friends that I do trust to a certain point. Some more than others.
Look around you and tell me what you see, many people just want to see through rose colored glasses. I try to find the good and see the beauty. It's ok, the Bible paints the exact same picture about people. Read Solomon's writings.
I have a tender and compassionate heart, so I am told. I just don't like stupidity, which I am also part of.
New American Standard Bible: 1995 Update (La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation, 1995), Mt 15:19.
He was also fully human. Fully nature and fully spirit. He felt fear and doubt, but he knew why he had come, and submitted to what he had to do. That is the whole thing: Jesus Christ identified with human doubt and pain. He suffered all that humans suffer. He walked the walk and led from the front.
He predicted his death (on the cross) and resurrection several times*.
He knew what was going to happen, when he entered Jerusalem.
*references on request
Wiki: Jesus predicts his death
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I believe what @muhammad_isa is trying to say is that Jesus messed up his mission to tweak the Jewish religion a little bit, and ended up nearly getting himself killed until God came to rescue him by substituting an innocent person to die on the cross and making everybody think it was Jesus -- and then got Jesus up to heaven smartly to prevent him really getting killed. In the process he ended up starting the false religion of Christianity, by mistake.
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Almighty God knows why He has ordained what He has ordained.
John the Baptist had his head cut off.
..but G-d decided that Jesus would be ascended to heaven for an appointed time.
Meanwhile, He causes us to be believers and disbelievers, until the time he will return.
It is easy for G-d, and He is full of wisdom, and aware of what is in our hearts.
Surely you mean you see Jesus all through the OT (the rearranged jewishbscriptures which are contained in the Christian bibles)
I don't know if you are aware...but Jews would disagree.
Why do you equate John with the Christ? John the Baptist foretold the coming of the Christ, and said that he was not worthy to unlace the sandal of Jesus. How can you equal the beheading of John the Baptist with the crucifixion of Jesus the Christ?
Not very logical though?
Anyway .. it's a gulf too wide, imo
Logging off. Have a good bank holiday weekend @muhammad_isa
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I have noticed a theme in the Suras, Allah likes to boast about himself a lot, just about every Sura if not every Sura. Just in the 21st Sura alone, the words for Allah are: Lord, He, We, Our, Him, Allah, Himself, I, My and Me. Allah speaking in 1st person and 3rd person here. And We was only suppose to be for the royal We. Well is Our the royal Our or Me the royal Me, or I the royal I, or Him the royal Him. These nouns and pronouns are used 135 times, unless I mess up counting, Allah says something about himself in 121 verses. That is more than 1 time in a verse.
And yes, Allah keeps proclaims how Merciful and Great he is in just about every Sura.
And there is no free will in Islam, since the Quran claims that everything is done by Allah, even our thoughts.
There are also all the "clear arguments" statements. And lets not forget all the statements about "Garden with rivers flowing under it".
And let's not forget how man was made in heaven and banished to earth. I should stop, getting myself into more hot water.
Repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition and on it goes, this is so unlike anything written in the Bible. The "Us" pronoun is only used in the Book of Genesis and only 3 times. The plural pronoun for God is not used again. I would assume (since I am not about to count all the plural pronouns used for Allah in the Quran), but it's more than likely in every Sura. I would assume it is used 1000s of times. That's a little less then 10 times for each Sura and I counted 135 times in just one Sura. I am only on Sura 22 at this time and every Sura is like this. Once again trying to validate the Quran as a book from God.
Sorry if truth hurts!
I know that none of this will even dent the surface of a person who wants to believe what they believe.
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Doh...that is what I said....they still are waiting....the chosen people don't believe Christian interp....surely this is not new to you.
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Me thinks wires got crossed here somewhere. Well as far as I understand both Jews and Christians are awaiting for the King (Messiah) to return. Both believing what is written in the Jewish 'rearranged' Scriptures. Tell me, how many of the Books are different, 39 OT in both versions, yes arranged in different order, but not in different words.
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Isaiah 53:1–7 (NASB95)
The Suffering Servant
1 Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6 All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
I know you know the text, it's in both versions. Can't wait for the reply. I could post so much more that Jesus says about the OT being fulfilled by Him, but I don't think that that is where you post was heading.
CheersLogging off. Have a good bank holiday weekend @muhammad_isa
..but surely, you agree with what I said?
"It is easy for G-d, and He is full of wisdom, and aware of what is in our hearts.
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This is straight from you Quran. God is not "full of Wisdom" He is wisdom. Wisdom if personified in the Proverbs. You don't have the slightest understanding of God. Neither do I nor does anyone. To say that something is "easy" for God is just foolishness, "God is not a man" that just puts Him in the category of a human. The only piece that is correct here is that God does know our hearts, that is what gets a person into heaven or hell, not what you do.
Where do you read that?
Idk where this is headed... this is your response to me saying Jews do not see Jesus as the one which.their texts referred?