Flawlessism, a new religion (within the past year)

Echogem222 said:
1. Attitude toward your environment: In Flawlessism, we believe in the existence of two fundamental forces known as the Flawless good and the Flawless evil, both of which are greater than our reality, beyond human comprehension. The Flawless good is associated with benevolence, compassion, and the desire for the well-being of all sentient beings. It seeks to create and uphold positive aspects of reality, but also accepts the actions of the Flawless evil to the degree that must be accepted due to a limit in power outside of themselves.

Understanding the influence of the Flawless good and Flawless evil, we are motivated to approach our environment with empathy and kindness. We strive to minimize suffering and promote positivity, not only because it aligns with our personal values, but also because we recognize that suffering exists due to the actions of the Flawless evil Gods. By fostering a compassionate attitude, we aim to make a positive impact on our neighbors, society, and nature, fostering harmony and alleviating suffering where possible.

2. Way of thinking: The existence of the Flawless good and Flawless evil in Flawlessism shapes our perspective on the complexities of existence. We recognize that both forces play a role in the dynamics of our reality, and their actions go beyond our comprehension. We embrace critical thinking and seek to explore the underlying reasons for various experiences and events.

By understanding the interplay of the Flawless good and Flawless evil, we can navigate life's challenges with a more nuanced approach. We strive to avoid oversimplifications and delve deeper into the intricacies of existence, recognizing that our reality is shaped by forces greater than ourselves.

3. Actions: In Flawlessism, we believe that the Flawless good, despite being powerful, is limited in its ability to prevent all suffering outside of itself, while the Flawless evil, with its greater power, plays a role in the existence of suffering, negativity, and challenges.

This understanding influences our actions. We choose to prioritize kindness, generosity, and support, recognizing that by doing so, we align ourselves with the principles of the Flawless good. While we may not have full control over all aspects of existence, we can make a positive impact on our own lives and the lives of others by embodying virtues that promote harmony and well-being.

In conclusion, the concept of the Flawless good and Flawless evil in Flawlessism provides a unique framework for understanding the world. It motivates us to approach our environment with empathy, engage in critical thinking, and prioritize actions that align with positive values. By acknowledging the influence of these greater forces, we seek to create a more compassionate and understanding world for ourselves and others.

(If you still don't understand, it's because we believe that suffering only exists because the Flawless evil Gods used their power [that they didn't need to] to cause suffering to be required, and they did this because they wanted us to suffer forever in a way that can't be enjoyed at all [if they had the power to], which then reasonably motivates anyone who believes in this to not desire to have anything to do with suffering if it can be reasonably avoided. But even trying to put effort into avoiding suffering is a type of suffering, which is why wisdom is very useful, because it helps prevent increasing your suffering more than you need to, in order to reduce suffering in other ways)
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This is beginning to remind me of a Sirius version of Pastafarianism (Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) :eek:
 
'Amir Alzzalam said:
This just furthers my critique of your Flawlessism . . .

Reality is what we perceive to be real, there is no underlying true reality that exists independently of perception. The only way we are capable of knowing reality is through the mediation of our consciousness - that is, subjectively. We experience our own consciousness directly, but we cannot directly experience the consciousness of someone else. We can only infer their consciousness from their behaviors. Conceptual thought begins from the pure, unsupported apprehension of one’s conscious self as an existential reality: the ba of ancient Egypt, the psyche of the Greeks, the Golden Flower of the Tao.

Plato developed a two-layer view of reality, the World of Becoming and the World of Being. The World of Becoming is the physical world we perceive through our senses. This world is always in movement, always changing. The World of Being is the world of forms, or ideas, the Platonic First Forms, and the Egyptian Neteru. It is absolute, independent, and transcendent. The World of Being never changes and yet causes the essential nature of things we perceive in the world of Becoming.

Perception of reality is different for each individual and reality is not what we see with naked eyes. Standing in front of a tree, you and I can see different things. And we don’t even know what is real and what is not — our conscious and unconscious mind present a version of reality to us.
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There are different concepts of "reality" in philosophy; the difference lies in the definition of terms:

You (with many others) define reality subjectively, the exterior and your interior viewed through your perception.

Another definition of reality is the (dynamic) state of the world, independently from whether anyone perceive it. It comprises all of me, whether or not I am conscious of it. Reality in this sense exceeds the knowledge of any human and even the collective knowledge of all humanity.

If we discuss about "reality", it must be clear in which sense the author uses this word; else, discussions don't meet.
 
talib-al-kalim said:
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Infinity as a quantity of entities doesn't exist in reality.
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Where time stops and mass becomes infinite is the point of mathematical singularity -- the Big Bang or black hole singularity beyond which the standard model of physics stops working, whether or not these singularities actually exist in reality?
 
RJM said:
Where time stops and mass becomes infinite is the point of mathematical singularity -- the Big Bang or black hole singularity beyond which the standard model of physics stops working, whether or not these singularities actually exist in reality?
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I guess they don't exist, rather that the model becomes invalid before this point, similar to the (now known) point where Newton's laws cease to be valid. But there can't be a proof for this because this is not observable.
 
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Echogem222 said:
However! For reality to even exist as it does implies an outside, and if an outside exists, it must not contradict the value of what exists within reality, or reality could not come from what exists outside of reality.
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Substitute 'the universe' for 'reality' and substitute the word 'nature' for the universe. What exists beyond space and time?

Logging off now ...
 
Echogem222 said:
The explanation of the Flawless Gods and their role in shaping reality is a complex concept that seeks to understand the forces that influence our existence and our comprehension. It involves acknowledging that our reality is shaped by something beyond it,
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But with respect, nothing new here -- mankind has attributed gods to what is beyond human understanding forever.
Echogem222 said:
but the full extent of that understanding remains beyond our reach.
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And therefore the subject of historical hypothesis and speculation, but impossible of evidence?
Echogem222 said:
essence, Flawlessism explores the mysteries of existence and encourages seeking knowledge and wisdom within the bounds of our reality, while recognizing the limitations of our comprehension when it comes to what lies beyond.
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Ok, but to become a religion?

Really logged off now :)
 
talib-al-kalim said:
There are different concepts of "reality" in philosophy; the difference lies in the definition of terms:

You (with many others) define reality subjectively, the exterior and your interior viewed through your perception.

Another definition of reality is the (dynamic) state of the world, independently from whether anyone perceive it. It comprises all of me, whether or not I am conscious of it. Reality in this sense exceeds the knowledge of any human and even the collective knowledge of all humanity.

If we discuss about "reality", it must be clear in which sense the author uses this word; else, discussions don't meet.
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The "state of the world, independently from whether anyone perceive it"
Since we can only perceive objective reality through our subjective lens, how can you claim this to be true?

The Quantum Double-Slit Experiment is a great example of how individual consciousness and the objective universe are intertwined. One potential revelation of this experience is that “the observer creates their reality.”

"Reality is a controlled hallucination, our mind puts the information that we receive from outside in the frame of our inner knowledge to form a picture of reality." - Neuroscientist Anil Seth

"The imagination is not a State: it is the Human existence itself." - William Blake
 
'Amir Alzzalam said:
The Quantum Double-Slit Experiment is a great example of how individual consciousness and the objective universe are intertwined. One potential revelation of this experience is that “the observer creates their reality.”
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No. Sorry but that's the quantum woo interpretation of the double slit experiment. The observer can be a camera or particle counter. The wave collapses upon measurement regardless of any human observer involved.
 
Echogem222 said:
(If you still don't understand, it's because we believe that suffering only exists because the Flawless evil Gods used their power [that they didn't need to] to cause suffering to be required, and they did this because they wanted us to suffer forever in a way that can't be enjoyed at all [if they had the power to], which then reasonably motivates anyone who believes in this to not desire to have anything to do with suffering if it can be reasonably avoided. But even trying to put effort into avoiding suffering is a type of suffering, which is why wisdom is very useful, because it helps prevent increasing your suffering more than you need to, in order to reduce suffering in other ways)
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I thought I had understood the answers before, thinking you designed a kind of dualistic view with a positive and a negative ideal force, with essentially humanistic background. But in the last section, you support a polytheism...
 
RJM said:
Well, that's it: according to 21st Century science -- reality as we know it ends at singularity where space and time cease to exist -- at the speed of light. Science cannot look beyond that?
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I was just watching a discussion on that today...

 
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