Naturalist
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We already went over that question in another thread.
Enemies of Reason P1
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As I wrote before, the question is valid, but poorly phrased.
A better, but similar question is "why does reality exist?"
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I don't know. Or, for the sake of dialogue, I don't know why there is anything at all.
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For about 5 seconds, because there is no answer.
Ha ha
Never mind .. you have a faith in "science", without appreciating that it is A TOOL.
It is not "the truth and nothing but the truth".
Scientific equations are often, only an approximation.
An approximation of models that we construct.
You put your faith in others .. no different from believers in G-d, hmm?
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I compare human progress over the last 350 years (since the Scientific Revolution began) to the previous 200,000 years including the Dark Ages.Ha ha
Never mind .. you have a faith in "science", without appreciating that it is A TOOL.
It is not "the truth and nothing but the truth".
Scientific equations are often, only an approximation.
An approximation of models that we construct.
You put your faith in others .. no different from believers in G-d, hmm?
Science wins. Period.
..and you need some "university level" theology courses.
Thinking that "science" is the b all and end all, is just as bad as those that think
religious instruction (of their flavour) is the b all and end all.
There seems to be a lot of that lately..
Naturalist
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I never wrote science is the be all and end all. That's called the straw man fallacy...and you need some "university level" theology courses.
Thinking that "science" is the b all and end all, is just as bad as those that think
religious instruction (of their flavour) is the b all and end all.
If the methodology of science fails to provide an answer, religion certainly won't.
Wins what??
I can't see how the industrial revolution has solved things for mankind..
If anything, it has produced climate-change and increasing enmity.. (World Wars)
No answer?
OK ... I see that as a pity.
I think it denies the nature of the human intellect, a denial of the demand which, by its nature, it makes on us.
To deny legitimacy or purpose to this and similar kinds of question, begs the question whether it can be right to set a priori limits to a capacity which is, to someone with the intellect of an Aristotle, potentially infinite.
Further, I follow St Thomas Aquinas, who himself follows St Augustine, when he says the intellect is not going to be satisfied with question-stopping complacency.
Five seconds, and that's it? Five seconds, and you've exhausted any given possibility of intellectual inquiry?
OK, then ... But in denying the legitimacy of the question, you also deny intellect its true nature – as I said, such thinking would have closed down Plato and Aristotle before they even got started.
OK ... I see that as a pity.
I think it denies the nature of the human intellect, a denial of the demand which, by its nature, it makes on us.
To deny legitimacy or purpose to this and similar kinds of question, begs the question whether it can be right to set a priori limits to a capacity which is, to someone with the intellect of an Aristotle, potentially infinite.
Further, I follow St Thomas Aquinas, who himself follows St Augustine, when he says the intellect is not going to be satisfied with question-stopping complacency.
Five seconds, and that's it? Five seconds, and you've exhausted any given possibility of intellectual inquiry?
OK, then ... But in denying the legitimacy of the question, you also deny intellect its true nature – as I said, such thinking would have closed down Plato and Aristotle before they even got started.
Says you, with your "narrow-minded" understanding of the world.
Naturalist
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WORD SALAD - what is the answer to why is there something? How many times are you going to ask it before you recognize there is no answer.
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Don't confuse accurate with narrow minded.
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You'll have to try it somewhere else because you're done here