as to '' leave it in place'' then there is the issue of then standing a ladder to climb up to put nails in . I have been a carpenter/builder for most of my life ,that would not be an easy thing to do and the to climb backup to get the dead body down . no that's not going to happen
maybe you should spend more time with Jehovah's Witnesses ,you would find out who the true Christians really are
I know one thing .. we are all human beings.
Wow.
Are you identifying yourself as a Jehovah’s Witnesses member or simply saying, as an outsider, that the JWs represent the true expression of Christianity?
Perhaps he was responding to a post that implied that Jehovah's Witnesses weren't Christians?
I don’t want to ignite any contentious interchanges, but I would point out that the JW movement believes it is the only faith group that that can legitimately call itself and its members Christians. They refer to the religion of others who identify as Christians as Churchianity.Perhaps he was responding to a post that implied that Jehovah's Witnesses weren't Christians?
i.e. I would have thought a suggestion which both Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses could agree to would be acceptable to both parties.
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Boys!? Didn't you know that the majority of theI may have unwittingly implied that I don't believe JWs are Christian, as my comment in post #382 implies.
So let me rephrase:
"I would have thought that a suggestion which both conventional crucifixionists and Jehovah's Witnesses could agree to would be acceptable to both parties."
By which I mean the general view of those who believe in the crucifixion is that Jesus was nailed to a cross. The JWs argue the Greek term means 'post' not cross, and I think they're unique in that.
Without getting into etymology and linguistics, I suggested that, based on historical evidence, it's quite possible the convicted was made to carry the crossbeam from which he was hung to the place of execution, and this crossbeam was affixed to an upright post. To me that ticks both boxes.
On the subject of difficulty – that's not really a problem when you have sufficient slave labour to perform tasks –
"I moved the piano upstairs yesterday."
"Good Lord, how did you manage that?"
"Hitched it to the cat."
"How did you get a cat to move a piano?"
"I used a whip."
(Sorry, @Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine ... don't send the boys round again!
s are girls? *the female delegation attack Thomas, claws and teeth sinking into tender human flesh while the toms rescue Thomas' companion*
what i am suggesting is what jesus carried would indeed look like a cross .it being a pole with a cross bar. but he use of the cross bar was not used to stretch out the arms, as it is so often pictured .I may have unwittingly implied that I don't believe JWs are Christian, as my comment in post #382 implies.
So let me rephrase:
"I would have thought that a suggestion which both conventional crucifixionists and Jehovah's Witnesses could agree to would be acceptable to both parties."
By which I mean the general view of those who believe in the crucifixion is that Jesus was nailed to a cross. The JWs argue the Greek term means 'post' not cross, and I think they're unique in that.
Without getting into etymology and linguistics, I suggested that, based on historical evidence, it's quite possible the convicted was made to carry the crossbeam from which he was hung to the place of execution, and this crossbeam was affixed to an upright post. To me that ticks both boxes.
On the subject of difficulty – that's not really a problem when you have sufficient slave labour to perform tasks –
"I moved the piano upstairs yesterday."
"Good Lord, how did you manage that?"
"Hitched it to the cat."
"How did you get a cat to move a piano?"
"I used a whip."
(Sorry, @Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine ... don't send the boys round again!
On the subject of difficulty I recently moved a gun safe into my house .label says 363 lb .holds 26 guns LOL maybe daisy red riders . backed the pickup truck to the door ,On the subject of difficulty – that's not really a problem when you have sufficient slave labour to perform tasks –
"I moved the piano upstairs yesterday."
"Good Lord, how did you manage that?"
"Hitched it to the cat."
"How did you get a cat to move a piano?"
"I used a whip."
(Sorry, @Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine ... don't send the boys round again!
I for see people flipping out when the cross is taken away from them. its become a talisman . it does not mark any as Christian
We do agree on one thing. People place way too much importance on that cross they put on their neck. It really means nothing in the grand scheme of things. But pole or cross, I see no difference in doctrine. Nobody is going to miss out on paradise because of their belief of what Jesus was crucified upon.
lots of ways to get it wrong ....one way to get it right
there is a thing known as forensic science . we do have clues as to how things happen. Jesus and the other two had to be dead before the sun set .that does not happen if hung on a cross. it will take days if hung on a cross . the thing left ,is a pole ,no cross bar to hold the outstretched arms.