Question about politics when only philosophers existed

spiritualbee said:
It means that philosophers belief in a God and we're not atheists. Atheists belief not in morality. God means morality and being good, honest and fair and it gave value to gold as a coin you can pay with. Libra are the scales to measure with that means that also knowledge of Astrology was involved with the old knowledge that can not be denied.
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Once again I'm not sure what you are talking about so forgive me if I misunderstand you, but it's not quite right to say that "atheists belief(sic) not in morality" That's just not true. Many atheists are moral, ethical people. They just do not insist that morality comes from a supernatural source, that's all. They are more humanistic and philosophical in their inclination.
 
TheLightWithin said:
Once again I'm not sure what you are talking about so forgive me if I misunderstand you, but it's not quite right to say that "atheists belief(sic) not in morality" That's just not true. Many atheists are moral, ethical people. They just do not insist that morality comes from a supernatural source, that's all. They are more humanistic and philosophical in their inclination.
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I discovered to be anti God as an atheist, there must have been a God and religion even before philosophy. How else can you be anti God?
Openly nobody talks about being pro evil. That means pro evil is nobody. Perhaps we like to hide our mistakes. But to make a mistake even so makes a person still not evil. I
An atheist in other words is not the same as being and wanting on free will being evil but atheists could make mistakes. Science and philosophers talk about space, but actually with the word spirit Christians also talk about space. We measure space as time, like we can, give me some time or be patience with me. This is called understanding. Understanding needs time to be understtd therefor we need space. But I see in that also morality. So God, space and morality are the same entity.
Anti God is anti space. Consider that. How is that moral? I want to breath. So I need space or else I choke. Not that that scares me. If that would be the issue. But what benefit would it offer could be left as the only question. That something so beautiful is denied as existing by atheists, I leave right now, to talk about some other time.
 
spiritualbee said:
It means that philosophers belief in a God and we're not atheists. Atheists belief not in morality. God means morality and being good, honest and fair and it gave value to gold as a coin you can pay with. Libra are the scales to measure with that means that also knowledge of Astrology was involved with the old knowledge that can not be denied.
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Philosopher believe and constructs all kind of ideas to justify their ways, good householder. God are just Gods, and can be Noble or not. Most deities wouldn't teach anybody if not having good virtues and strong attached to sensuality.

There isn't any teaching that wouldn't be refuted, if not in according with the Noble path, the Middle Way.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Dhamma Bhikkhu is a Buddhist. He does not believe in God or soul. Are you accusing him of being immoral, dishonest and unfair in his dealings?
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It's not good to speak on things of what one does neither know nor understand.
"There are Gods and deities" eg. more refined realms of existence, is a factor of right view. Somebody who denied such or isn't willing to take it on faith, is neither capable to reach any good concentration nor reach path and fruits of liberation, good householder.
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
It's not good to speak on things of what one does neither know nor understand.
"There are Gods and deities" eg. more refined realms of existence, is a factor of right view. Somebody who denied such or isn't willing to take it on faith, is neither capable to reach any good concentration nor reach path and fruits of liberation, good householder.
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That is the problem, Dhamma Bhikkhu, I do not need liberation. I have excellent concentration (Samadhi in one second) and I am already liberated. :D
 
Aupmanyav said:
I would not consider them Buddhist if they do.
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Really? I thought reincarnation was a foundational Buddhist belief.
I guess there is a difference between rebirth and reincarnation maybe?
There are several sects of buddhism though, aren't there?

What about this movie series Along with the Gods: The Two Worlds - Wikipedia.

In it the characters traverse the afterlife dealing with the judgments of several gods and several hells, seeking to be cleared for their next reincarnation. Is this not Buddhism?

I don't know if you've ever seen the movies, I did see them and really appreciated them.
 
TheLightWithin said:
Are there not some branches of Buddhism that believe in gods and souls?
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Disciples of the Buddha recognize, even meet up with all kinds of Brahmas and Devas, good householder. Some are even disciples, some even already Noble Ones, and Non-returner. Most delight in discussing and listening to the teachings.
It was on account of Mahabrahma, who begged the Sublime Buddha to teach the Dhamma, as the Buddha didn't saw much use, as most beings are simple to ensnared in sensuality.

The Sublime Buddha teaches also the right practice to gain higher existences, but primarly to gain security for the path out of the wheel.

Of course believing that pain and joy, gain and lose, is a matter of supernatural being, is grave wrong view, leads to inaction and toward low realms. Most of his disciples had been Brahmans.
 
Aupmanyav said:
That is the problem, Dhamma Bhikkhu, I do not need liberation. I have excellent concentration (Samadhi in one second) and I am already liberated. :D
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Ant and cats gain Samadhi even quicker and longer, good householder, and are likewise unaware of their bond. Every existence every moment requires Samadhi. But to gain wisdom and liberation right, Samma Samadhi is required, which reqires right mindfulness,... right effort... livelihood... acting... speeking.. right resolve, which requires right view as it's basic condition. So just wandering on as long no noble right view, good householder.

And yes, that's the problem: ignorance, pride and overestimation. But Jains, even at the Buddhas times had been regarded as hardly ever grasping any of the good Dhamma, since caught in long terms trained householder-equanimity.
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
Ant and cats gain Samadhi even quicker and longer, good householder, and are likewise unaware of their bond. Every existence every moment requires Samadhi. But to gain wisdom and liberation right, Samma Samadhi is required, which reqires right mindfulness,... right effort... livelihood... acting... speeking.. right resolve, which requires right view as it's basic condition. So just wandering on as long no noble right view, good householder.

And yes, that's the problem: ignorance, pride and overestimation. But Jains, even at the Buddhas times had been regarded as hardly ever grasping any of the good Dhamma, since caught in long terms trained householder-equanimity.
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That is Boedhism. From budha mercury and enlightment. Everybody forget to say the way to enlightment is Hinduism. You can not skip a process. First Hinduism before Boedhism.
Yet Hinduïsm is not explained right in some books about satva. All they need to learn is not to discriminate. One is not higher or better then the other.
To Boeddha I always say only say HI. Since why talk if you know someone understands it all?
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
Ant and cats gain Samadhi even quicker and longer, good householder, and are likewise unaware of their bond. Every existence every moment requires Samadhi. But to gain wisdom and liberation right, Samma Samadhi is required, which reqires right mindfulness,... right effort... livelihood... acting... speeking.. right resolve, which requires right view as it's basic condition. So just wandering on as long no noble right view, good householder.

And yes, that's the problem: ignorance, pride and overestimation. But Jains, even at the Buddhas times had been regarded as hardly ever grasping any of the good Dhamma, since caught in long terms trained householder-equanimity.
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Ants and cats do not have 'avijja'. That is why their samadhi is quicker. Humans create their own problems. :)
 
spiritualbee said:
We have multiplicity.
So from whom you learn?
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From many. I have learnt from Buddhism (anatta and anicca) as well as from monotheist religions (God sends prophets/sons/messengers/manifestations/mahdis. It is criminal not to submit to the messenger of your informer after you have heard the 'Good News').
 
Most use all useful just for their own politics, to cherish defilments, yes. That gives them desired food to nourish unwise pride and ways for denying requirement of dependency. Seldom those with faith and using given strategies for battle the opposition within.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Humans ARE social animals. Living in a society requires adherence to the social rules. The Noble Eight-fold Path is the sum of such rules.
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It's not possible, as long one hasn't left society and impure dependency, to live even the holly life, not to speak of developing the path. And it's nothing but strong craving, tanha, that argues that one has still task for the sake of birth, aging, sickness and death.
And since there are only less who are capable to gain ways for right livelihood, the Sublime Buddha found the Sangha of Bhikkhus, a "para-society", which does not get into trades with those bond in common societies, community of those gone forth.
A human isn't anything but does in accordiance with such existence, and it's a human application to be capaple to chose different ways of living, an animal has not and stays bond in it's society and impure ways, good householder.

Beings are bond though there sensual cravings in the sensual realms, not even seeing it's misery and pain. Even to reach the Brahmas one would be required to leave impure dependency and impur ways.

The Noble, Ariya Eightfold path is "just" that of the Noble Ones, isn't conducted by else, since it has right view as it's base condition.
No way for one not going for the Juwels as his refuge.
 
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