Question about politics when only philosophers existed

Of course, I am 'anatta' and 'anicca', not more than a bubble in the sea. And I have already lived most of my life (82). I do not resent it, I accept it.
If not starting to do some good efforts, good householder is more worse than an Ox (who seems to have a lot of equanimity, but just that of an eating Ox), since even an ox, when the daylight fades, goes on faster, to reach house timely.

Good householder is higher of his action, those are his own. What ever else, that is of cource not own and subject to break away.
For a person who as gained refuge into the Gems, grown to a firm person, since then endowed with virtues pleasing to the Noble Ones, seeing the danger in what isn't one's own, a person with Dhamma (knowing own, not own) has himself as island, not able to die before seeing the truth himself, no more able to fall back, but headed toward liberation.

So here again: And whatjs not real, no refuge, no worthy to forgeth oneself (good deeds, goodness): Eye and form, ear and sound, nose and smell, tongue and taste, body and bodily touch, ideas and mind, aren't lasting, changeable, not under one's control, no refuge, stress. What ever feeling arises on touch on the sense, isn't real... what ever perception arises, isn't for sure, always different, out of control, ...willed formations (sankhara) ...consciousness arises... isn't real, anicca, anatta. One having a refuge is able to give up what's not own, subject to decay and a pain.
 
I will let Candala Sutta go. That is not my Buddha.
No, maybe the other side around: they don't take them as their good disciples. That's why it was said, it's not possible to become real disciple of the Buddha by relaying on books and Wiki, since those just serve desired, never teach of what's actually required to let go, to grasp, for a good and beyond.
 
.. but headed toward liberation.
One having a refuge is able to give up what's not own, subject to decay and a pain.
Headed towards liberation? I have already broken free of my bonds.
I neither have a credit card nor operate a bank account.
I do have to write what I own to my children, but that is not absolutely necessary. If I don't, then they will share it.
As for bodily pain and decay that may come, I will have to bear it. That is part of the game.
 
No, maybe the other side around: they don't take them as their good disciples. That's why it was said, it's not possible to become real disciple of the Buddha by relaying on books and Wiki, since those just serve desired, never teach of what's actually required to let go, to grasp, for a good and beyond.
How can you stop me from being a disciple of Buddha? I do not depend on any Sangha to be a disciple of Buddha. As I said, I am his direct disciple.
 
Headed towards liberation? I have already broken free of my bonds.
I neither have a credit card nor operate a bank account.
I do have to write what I own to my children, but that is not absolutely necessary. If I don't, then they will share it.
As for bodily pain and decay that may come, I will have to bear it. That is part of the game.
But still holding money, trade, don't live the holly life at a pure state. Why? Because still seeing pleasures of the senses as own, not willing to take what's own as refuge yet. And in this regard, it was said: more worse then an ox.
Who not, if in face of losing, wouldn't give up what's not to hold?

One who gives up when the enemy seems strong, isn't someone liberated. As soon as there is the next chance to take on the burden again, will take on another womb, and if not right view yet, easy that of an animal. Yes, maybe a blessed pet, since good householder did alms giving.

There is no liberation before not seeing things clear. Seeing what clear, understanding what clear, having penetrated through what, after having abond seeking joy in sensuality?

Four Noble Truths: cattari ariya saccani
 
How can you stop me from being a disciple of Buddha? I do not depend on any Sangha to be a disciple of Buddha. As I said, I am his direct disciple.
Nobody would need to do such since good householder simply isn't. He just cherishes the cherries he picked out which serve his ditthi-anusaya and sensual-craving.
 
But still holding money,
Just in name. And I do not want to be specially holy. I do not want a medal. I am satisfied with what I am.
I do not seek any refuge. You seek refuge when you fear something. I do not fear anything.
For me, reincarnation is BS. Wherever required, I will try to fulfill my 'dhamma'.
I see everything very clearly (if I have my specs on). :)
 
Just in name. And I do not want to be specially holy. I do not want a medal. I am satisfied with what I am.
I do not seek any refuge. You seek refuge when you fear something. I do not fear anything.
For me, reincarnation is BS. Wherever required, I will try to fulfill my 'dhamma'.
I see everything very clearly (if I have my specs on).
So even straight toward misery... Conceit is actually already a burden, but used, if good conceit, to get ride of conceit, yet if foolish conceit than there is no way to assist to better.
Good householder holds firm on one of the devastating views of the Jains and even that much deluded to thinks it's something the Sublime Buddha praise. It's simply common nihilism, far from any holy, liberated or Sublime.

Good householder doesn't like to get ride of his desires, that a of the reason, and they are even very gross and firm.

The (enlightened) fox and the grapes (which are out of reach)...
 
I do have desires. 2 meal and tea 3 times a day, and a pack of 10 cigarettes every third day.
Sorry, Buddha. That is the minimum for me, gross or sublime.
The Sublime Buddha gave teachings and trainings for householder as well, those still attached to sensuality, but vehemently urged not to go into "householder-equanimity" as such is the base for grave lose.

Four qualities leading to a householder's happiness: AN 8.54

The duties of the layperson: Sn 2.14

The layperson's code of conduct: DN 31

What it takes for a layperson to become a stream-winner: AN 10.92

How a layperson can best work for the welfare of others: AN 8.26, AN 4.99

Five qualities of a sincere lay follower: AN 5.175

Five rewards a layperson can expect for having conviction: AN 5.38

Actions that only lead to one's downfall: Sn 1.6

How skillful actions and choices can protect you: Sn 2.4, Khp 5

Development of the first six recollections can be done no matter how busy you are: AN 11.13

Nevertheless, may good householder strive at least for the Brahmacariya, especially when old. And everybody can do it, with some effort. Since it's the base of right concentration, it's required to avoid birth in a womb for enother time, makes one's good rest in the Brahma realms.

Joy with what's own, garanted, since leading conducts equal those of the Arahants.

Uposatha (observance day). See also Sila.
The Eight Precepts“ in the Path to Freedom pages

Uposatha Observance Days“ in Path to Freedom pages

Calendar of **uposatha** observance days

How the eight ~ practices are to be practiced: AN 8.43

Right and wrong ways of observing the ~: AN 3.70

If you choose to observe the ~, do so consistently: AN 10.46

So may good grandfather don't be lazy and self-overestimating, strive for what only less have sufficient condition.
 
Nevertheless, may good householder strive at least for the Brahmacariya, especially when old. And everybody can do it, with some effort. Since it's the base of right concentration, it's required to avoid birth in a womb for enother time, makes one's good rest in the Brahma realms.
So may good grandfather don't be lazy and self-overestimating, strive for what only less have sufficient condition.
At the age of 82, nature has quietened the urges of the house-holder. That is OK, I have had my share. Now it is the turn of my grandchildren.
Whether I follow Brahmacharya or do not, there is no reincarnation (except in the sense 'you can't put your feet in the same river again').
I have no 'atta' to go to the womb again. I will dissipate completely with no remainder - nishshesha/aparisesa (Gate, Gate, paragate, parasamagate).
 
At the age of 82, nature has quietened the urges of the house-holder. That is OK, I have had my share. Now it is the turn of my grandchildren.
Whether I follow Brahmacharya or do not, there is no reincarnation (except in the sense that Buddha said 'you can't put your feet in the same river again').
I have no 'atta' to go to the womb again. I will dissipate completely with no remainder - nishshesha/aparisesa (Gate, Gate, paragate, parasamagate).
Sure, full of desire, I am, I am and not ashamed to declare being free from desires and free from defilemts.
Right view's the base. And 'atta' is a doing and not about is or isn't.

Yes, gati (birth), gati, paragati (higher birth), parasamgati (noble birth), bodhi-svaha/bodhi-evam. Surely not in householder-ignorance (bond to sense sphere).

And yes, good householder had just eaten of old merits.

Even the beloved Kalamasutta, dedicated for doubters, teaches to reach the Brahmaurealms first, as there the Dhamna could be understood. But stubborn good householder prefers cherry-picking in line with his defilemtens and preferences.

It's Jain way to refuse given and prefer grasping what's not given, thinking that be able to avoid debts in this way. Nevertheless, may he take on the MN 60: Apannaka Sutta — A Safe Bet and abond evil views leading straight to low realms.

Beings are heir of their actions, and it's by ending of craving for sensuality, becoming, not-becoming, through seeing cause and effect, rebirth and it's ending, clear: uprooting Avijja.
 
Good householder certain does not stick with good governance, but just follows his Jain-Nissaya and it's ditthi-anusaya: Adhipateyya Sutta: Governing Principles
It's certain foolish to live in dependency but deny debts, still of bonds of desire but thinks independent. That's the effect of long time development of ignorance and householder-equanimity. Just useless philosophy and without any real and liberating politics to win over the arrow within.
 
It's Jain way to refuse given and prefer grasping what's not given, thinking that be able to avoid debts in this way. Nevertheless, may he take on the MN 60: Apannaka Sutta — A Safe Bet and abond evil views leading straight to low realms.
No. I do not go by Pascal's wager. I do not believe that there is an elephant in my cupboard. If I don't see the elephant, I say there is none in my cupboard. Ambiguities create problems, they make us weak. Buddha said so, because his audience was not that advanced to understand the reality. That is why Sankara also accepted the existence of Ishwara in the second level of reality, 'Vyavaharika Satya' (Pragmatic Reality), but refused it in 'Paramarthika Satya' (Absolute Reality).
 
No. I do not go by Pascal's wager. I do not believe that there is an elephant in my cupboard. If I don't see the elephant, I say there is none in my cupboard. Ambiguities create problems, they make us weak. Buddha said so, because his audience was not that advanced to understand the reality. That is why Sankara also accepted the existence of Ishwara in the second level of reality, 'Vyavaharika Satya' (Pragmatic Reality), but refused it in 'Paramarthika Satya' (Absolute Reality).
Intriguing.
I see how ambiguities cause confusion. That kind of problem.
Does confusion make us weak? Or do ambiguities cause weakness in other ways?
 
Does confusion make us weak? Or do ambiguities cause weakness in other ways?
I believe they do. Krishna said:

"vyavasāyātmikā buddhih, ekeha kuru-nandana;
bahu-śākhā hy anantāś ca, buddhayah avyavasāyinām."


Those who are on this path are resolute in purpose, and their aim is one. O beloved child of the Kurus, the intelligence of those who are irresolute is many-branched.
 
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