Drinking wine to early

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A question to Christians. Jesus Christ left us. He said he will drink no wine until the right time. I understand that. But I could not wait so long.
Is that wrong? Am I a sinner? I think sometimes there is something to celebrate. Sometimes after realizing for example how well things actually going.
I must have this of from my chest or it remain a burden.
 
spiritualbee said:
Is that wrong? Am I a sinner?
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Yes, it's terrible wrong, to take intoxications causing shamelessness and lack of concern. And yes, as long as not seeing the fault and make efforts to abound such, your is someone fallen into a fault, not able to progress further, but heading downwardly.
Just may good householder look at his/her acting and "stripteases" everywhere here. Such is then reason to seek for escape, but it wouldn't work that way.

Intoxication destroy one's goodness, causing one being a person not respected by anyone, makes mad, destroys wealth, leads to all evil deeds, and by break up of the body, after death, one reapears misery realm, animal womb, hungry ghost, hell. If gaining a human existence, one is born low, without much fortune, crazy, stupid.
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
Yes, it's terrible wrong, to take intoxications causing shamelessness and lack of concern. And yes, as long as not seeing the fault and make efforts to abound such, your is someone fallen into a fault, not able to progress further, but heading downwardly.
Just may good householder look at his/her acting and "stripteases" everywhere here. Such is then reason to seek for escape, but it wouldn't work that way.

Intoxication destroy one's goodness, causing one being a person not respected by anyone, makes mad, destroys wealth, leads to all evil deeds, and by break up of the body, after death, one reapears misery realm, animal womb, hungry ghost, hell. If gaining a human existence, one is born low, without much fortune, crazy, stupid.
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So you seek enlightment in Boedhism and are an Atheist? Or what is hell if God does not exist?
 
spiritualbee said:
So you seek enlightment in Boedhism and are an Atheist? Or what is hell if God does not exist?
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There are Gods and deities, and there are existences in Hell, and drinking intoxications means not following ways leading to heavens and the Brahmas, but straight to hell. Why? Because one loses the capability to keep foremost the important, and fear of wrong doing, in mind, grows more and more stupid, good householder. No God, nobody, can fix the issue that actions by mind, speech, deeds, don't come to effect for the doer. Even listen and taking it in faith, at first place, it always up to the doer or not-doer, of it. More then telling can not be done for another, that he/she might stop acting foolish.
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
There are Gods and deities, and there are existences in Hell, and drinking intoxications means not following ways leading to heavens and the Brahmas, but straight to hell. Why? Because one loses the capability to keep foremost the important, and fear of wrong doing, in mind, grows more and more stupid, good householder.
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You are strict. That is as planet saturn. But as mercury to be a Buddhist you should be light and wisdom
I learned a story of Boeddha. He had a class full of pupils. One was stubborn. But he never blamed the stubborn pupil but him self. And so if Boeddha can, I can.
 
spiritualbee said:
You are strict. That is as planet saturn. But as mercury to be a Buddhist you should be light and wisdom
I learned a story of Boeddha. He had a class full of pupils. One was stubborn. But he never blamed the stubborn pupil but him self. And so if Boeddha can, I can.
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There are many fairytales out there, yes. They are usually consumed by drunkards and within their environments.
As if the Sublime Buddha had anything to blame when calling a fool a fool, to teach either him or more fortuned others around. Of course he wasn't the way drunkard defilements would like to be cherished.

And good householder is surely far from what the Sublime Buddha can and did: being strict in regard of "don't"s, to start with, an not talikng of what not knowing for sure and not of good benefit.
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
There are many fairytales out there, yes. They are usually consumed by drunkards and within their environments.
As if the Sublime Buddha had anything to blame when calling a fool a fool, to teach either him or more fortuned others around. Of course he wasn't the way drunkard defilements would like to be cherished.

And good householder is surely far from what the Sublime Buddha can and did: being strict in regard of "don't"s, to start with, an not talikng of what not knowing for sure and not of good benefit.
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You complain, yet why do you not pray. Pray for others instead of complain. Even Buddhist pray. There are Boeddhist monks.
 
spiritualbee said:
You complain, yet why do you not pray. Pray for others instead of complain. Even Buddhist pray. There are Boeddhist monks.
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Things aren't solved or changed through others, good householder. And monks, who follow the good way, don't either beg or pray, nor cheat by giving blessings, but simply, if there is a possibility tell of what's good to not do, good to do, for long term happiness for the actor.
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
Things aren't solved or changed through others, good householder. And monks, who follow the good way, don't either beg or pray, nor cheat by giving blessings, but simply, if there is a possibility tell of what's good to not do, good to do, for long term happiness for the actor.
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You are very hostile. BUT prayers work. Hell is because people never pray.
 
spiritualbee said:
You are very hostile. BUT prayers work. Hell is because people never pray.
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Hell comes along if holding wrong views, act agains good priests and monks, act in accordance with wrong view. No prayer, no God can help fools. They see bad in good and good in bad. Perceive helpful as hostility, destructive as helpful. And as no goodness fond withing, delight in intoxication to forget all that's already near to face, and to do one in wrong ways. Good Gods and deities, even if they could encourage to better, certain stay far from people intoxicated and lost fear of wrongdoing and respect.
 
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Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
Hell comes along if holding wrong views, act agains good priests and monks, act in accordance with wrong view. No prayer, no God can help fools. They see bad in good and good in bad. Perceive helpful as hostility, destructive as helpful. And as no goodness fond withing, delight in intoxication to forget all that's already near to face, and to do one in wrong ways. Good Gods and deities, even if they could encourage to better, certain stay far from people intoxicated and lost fear of wrongdoing and respect.
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Good priests and monks never bothered. The way they are their silence teach me the most beautiful aspects of live. The Bible calls them levies the chosen once, neans a priest always remain to be a priest. Means we have our priests. Do not distrust their work from God. God is with them, around them and in them. Peace be upon them. We only meet them sometimes. They are precious pearls of the earth. They do the best job existing. We follow in their steps. They serve the world and help the poor in need. If I was president you now know my opinion.
 
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spiritualbee said:
Good priests and monks never bothered. The way they are their silence teach me the most beautiful aspects of live..
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Ummm .. if tyrants are permitted to wreak asymmetric destruction on others on a significant scale, it is necessary to speak out. The result if we don't, is that evil will predominate.

NB asymmetric being the stronger party inflicting significant damage, whilst the other has little power to respond
 
muhammad_isa said:
Ummm .. if tyrants are permitted to wreak asymmetric destruction on others on a significant scale, it is necessary to speak out. The result if we don't, is that evil will predominate.

NB asymmetric being the stronger party inflicting significant damage, whilst the other has little power to respond
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Can you give an example?
 
spiritualbee said:
A question to Christians. Jesus Christ left us. He said he will drink no wine until the right time. I understand that. But I could not wait so long.
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He did not say we could not drink – what He said was the next time He will drink 'the fruit of the vine' will be with His disciples, to celebrate the coming of the Kingdom.
 
American medical thought is moving towards all alcohol being a poison to the human body.

For some Christians that already means it is a sin and they forsake the drink...including wine.

For others it is Biblical or provides an excuse.

I have known folks that avoid pepper....due to its affects on the body

When it comes to ingesting substances...it is always different strokes for different folks.

If we are looking biblically.... I lean towards....

"It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person" is a verse from the Bible, Matthew 15:11. The full verse continues, "Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled? But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person".
 
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