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[Base12]

...this guy actually out and out says that "yoga" is ""evil""

The etymology and meaning of the word Yoga is quite revealing...

The Sanskrit noun yoga is derived from the root yuj "to attach, join, harness, yoke".

Yoga - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yoked to what exactly?

"In this system, yoga is the union of the self and the Lord"

What Lord would that be?

"Yoga is said to be the oneness of one entity with another."

Joining with another 'entity'? Like a Spirit?

"The union of apana and prana, one's own rajas and semen, the sun and moon, the individual Self and the supreme Self, and in the same way the union of all dualities, is called yoga"

Lol... are you ready to join with your Semen?

 

[davidsheep88]

I wont' say yoga is evil perhaps if we put yogurt on it and people eat yogurt when they do yoga he will change his mind. But there are jewish exorcism and read about them but demons attack all people. He has said not all of his exorcism where with humans and human need hundreds more but still demon sighting and demon presence in this world exist. And some don't know false gods like greeks and sumerian could of been demons. Astaroth is one and she has another name astartes. she was worship and worst she just took another image and fool mankind when in babylon and sumerian legends.

 

[Faithfulservant]

Yogas main theme is emptying one's mind. To understand why someone would call it evil is simply understanding that if the mind is empty who or what is going to fill it. We are called to meditate on the Word of God nowhere in scripture does it tell us to empty our mind of thought but to take our thoughts captive to make it obedient to Christ.

The enemies best weapon is the unbelief in him. Scripture teaches and warns of spiritual warfare at great length and For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

We are to put on the armor of God daily because of this warfare. You can you tube exorcisms and find disturbing accounts. I have a brother that struggles with addiction i had him take a selfie for me and what appeared in that selfie along with my brother caused me to pray over my brother with the authority that Christ gave the apostles and believers alike. So believers know the danger and take it seriously.

 

[Thomas]

Wrong again.

Oh dear.

Christ is The Light of this World. Period.

Yes, and no-one disputes that.

John says "ho phōs (φῶς) ho kosmos" – "the light of the world".

Whereas lucifer in the Latin corresponds to the Greek phosphorus Φωσφόρος, "light-bringer", and eosphorus Ἑωσφόρος, "dawn-bringer" – both of which refer astronomically to Venus, the 'Day Star'.

The mythology of 'lucifer' predates Judaism.

In Babylonian mythology he (the Morning Star) was led by his pride to strive for the highest seat among the star-gods on the northern mountain of the gods, but was hurled down by the supreme ruler of the mountain.

The myth exists in Canaanite mythology, the morning star is personified as the god Attar, who attempted to occupy the throne of Ba'al and, unable to do so, descended to the underworld.

The myth may have been about the lesser god Helel trying to dethrone the Canaanite high god El.

The myth also appears in 2 Enoch and the Life of Adam and Eve, which in turn shaped the idea of Iblis in the Qran.

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The entity's Latin name was subsequently absorbed into Christianity as a name for the Devil, although modern scholarship generally translates Isaiah 14:12) as "morning star" or "shining one" rather than as a proper noun, Lucifer, as found in the Latin Vulgate.

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"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star (phosphoros) arise in your hearts" 2 Peter 1:19

Here the sacred scribe uses the Greek term referencing Venus, the Day Star, as an analogy, unaware of the confusions that would arise later with the translation of Greek into Latin, and the translators' imperfect knowledge of the myth Isaiah was referencing.

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[TheLightWithin]

What Lord would that be?

Well, if there really is only one God, then God

Lol... are you ready to join with your Semen?

What on EARTH are you talking about?
Obviously not literal, as not only is the word semen normally not capitalized so I'm going to trust you are using it allegoricall.

Also as I obviously don't have semen SMH....

 

[TheLightWithin]

Yogas main theme is emptying one's mind.

If I understand, it's just about quieting the constant stream of thought.

To understand why someone would call it evil is simply understanding that if the mind is empty who or what is going to fill it.

If I understand correctly, yoga is from some part of the Hindu religious tradition.
So it would be almost like you're saying someone else's religions tradition is somehow "evil"

NOW, if INDEED yoga is meant to be a form of mysticism from someone else's religious tradition, there is a certain amount of sense in having great caution engaging in mysticism from a tradition one does not properly understand. After all I'm sure there's a reason why the Kabbalah was once restricted to men over 40 who had already mastered Torah, the prophets, Talmud, etc (if I understand correctly) You have to know what you're doing to engage in something like that. I have no precise theory of what would happen if you don't, but it seems at least possible that there would be problems of some kind if you get deeply involved in a mystical tradition that is far from your own understanding.

However, yoga as it is taught in the west today is very far from that level of discipline and analysis. It is utilized primarily as a way of teaching breath control, calming the mind, and calming the body.

There are programs that use yoga to help traumatized soldiers feel safe in their own skin again. An old colleague of mine got a job at the VA a decade or so ago to run a program like this.

 

[Faithfulservant]

If I understand, it's just about quieting the constant stream of thought.

Just google yoga emptying your mind. Not sure if arguing semantics negates my statement. You are still creating a void that the enemy can enter through. That is my belief

If I understand correctly, yoga is from some part of the Hindu religious tradition.
So it would be almost like you're saying someone else's religions tradition is somehow "evil"

Like i said Christianity is intolerant of other gods. Its one of the commandments. There is only one truth and that is Jesus Christ and the cross. Im sure that offends you but thats just the way it is and the way its written in scripture.

There are programs that use yoga to help traumatized soldiers feel safe in their own skin again. An old colleague of mine got a job at the VA a decade or so ago to run a program like this.

And i would suggest they need Jesus Christ. Thats just me though. You are very much in the world view and i am not. For me we have 3 enemies the world our flesh and satan. That is scripture.

Courtesy of AI

Loving the world

• 1 John 2:15: "Do not love the world or the things in the world"
• 1 John 2:16: "If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him"

Living in the world

• • 1 Corinthians 5:9-11: Christians should live among unbelievers as witnesses to Christ
    
  • Romans 12:2: Christians should be transformed by renewing their minds to discern God's will
    

The world's passing away

• • 1 John 2:17
    "The world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever"
    
  • 1 John 5:19
    "We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one"

 

[TheLightWithin]

Just google yoga emptying your mind

I have at various times looked at things. It's about quieting the thoughts. Meditation and even relaxation exercises can do this.
Having calm mind rather than racing thoughts -- is anybody seriously proposing that something bad happens due to this?
There have always been things Christians are opposed to from other cultures, as is their right under religious freedom, as long as they don't interfere with anybody else's practice, they can practice or decline to practice as they see fit.
I do not know whether Jews or Muslims have the same objection, or not. They might. The topic hasn't come up often.
People have a right to decline to participate in an activity. Nobody has to do yoga. I don't do yoga.
The idea of "warning" people about yoga seems going a bit far, and seems superstitious and lacking in understanding about the approach.
I don't think most modern Western teachers have the training to teach the average practitioner anything that does go deeper, into actual mysticism, the way a real Indian yogi presumably would have. And I'm not sure a genuine Indian yogi WOULD teach that to a Westerner, like how Kabbalah didn't used to be taught to outsiders.

 

[TheLightWithin]

Im sure that offends you

Why?
You sound defensive. Or annoyed. Why?

 

[TheLightWithin]

And i would suggest they need Jesus Christ. Thats just me though.

Not all are Christians. They may not want to change their religion... (at all, or even worse, to turn their back on whatever religious tradition they did cherish only to find out... the PTSD symptoms remain.)
Many are Christians. The PTSD symptoms remain.

 

[TheLightWithin]

you are still creating a void that the enemy can enter through.

What void? Calmed mind and not having racing thoughts is a void?
Is it just the wording "empty the mind" - What do you think that means?
I'm not claiming to be an expert on yoga, nor a proponent of it, I don't even practice it as it doesn't interest me... but I notice people reacting at times defensively and fearfully to it based on having possibly less information than I do.
What I haven't seen is any systematic study, or even anecdotal material, about the ill effects of yoga. Or at least nobody opposed to yoga seems to present that information?

If I seem at all protective of yoga, something I'm not super interested in myself, it's that I am protective of anything that has some proven mental health benefits, protective of religious freedom, and deeply dubious of any chance anyone's bias or dare I say superstition interfering needlessly with the practice of something that some find fun and some find beneficial.

 

[TheLightWithin]

You are very much in the world view

Define the world view

 

[Faithfulservant]

I have at various times looked at things. It's about quieting the thoughts. Meditation and even relaxation exercises can do this.
Having calm mind rather than racing thoughts -- is anybody seriously proposing that something bad happens due to this?
There have always been things Christians are opposed to from other cultures, as is their right under religious freedom, as long as they don't interfere with anybody else's practice, they can practice or decline to practice as they see fit.
I do not know whether Jews or Muslims have the same objection, or not. They might. The topic hasn't come up often.
People have a right to decline to participate in an activity. Nobody has to do yoga. I don't do yoga.
The idea of "warning" people about yoga seems going a bit far, and seems superstitious and lacking in understanding about the approach.
I don't think most modern Western teachers have the training to teach the average practitioner anything that does go deeper, into actual mysticism, the way a real Indian yogi presumably would have. And I'm not sure a genuine Indian yogi WOULD teach that to a Westerner, like how Kabbalah didn't used to be taught to outsiders.

Ive never suggested that anyone has to do anything. You questioned that article as the man said yoga was evil. I only suggested why he would have said that. In saying that you presume that im interfering with peoples freedom of choice and i never did any such thing. When a believer is making statements like that it is to other believers like a warning. You are free to do what you want or dont want.

 

[Faithfulservant]

Why?
You sound defensive. Or annoyed. Why?

Just making an observation based on your history of posts. Im not defensive or annoyed at all. Thats the problem with conversations via text.. sound is not an option. Thank you for asking as I i would want to clear that miscommunication up

 

[Faithfulservant]

Not all are Christians. They may not want to change their religion... (at all, or even worse, to turn their back on whatever religious tradition they did cherish only to find out... the PTSD symptoms remain.)
Many are Christians. The PTSD symptoms remain.

That doesnt change the fact that i believe they need Jesus Christ and not yoga. Whether they go that route is up to the individual. I come from a family of war veterans and my husband has been diagnosed with PTSD and he turns to Jesus daily. Im very familiar with it and its affects.

Just because i state my beliefs doesnt mean im going to impose my beliefs on others. Please stop assuming that is what im doing.

As a side note Im a huge advocate for service animals to help vets with PTSD.

 

[Faithfulservant]

What void? Calmed mind and not having racing thoughts is a void?
Is it just the wording "empty the mind" - What do you think that means?
I'm not claiming to be an expert on yoga, nor a proponent of it, I don't even practice it as it doesn't interest me... but I notice people reacting at times defensively and fearfully to it based on having possibly less information than I do.
What I haven't seen is any systematic study, or even anecdotal material, about the ill effects of yoga. Or at least nobody opposed to yoga seems to present that information?

If I seem at all protective of yoga, something I'm not super interested in myself, it's that I am protective of anything that has some proven mental health benefits, protective of religious freedom, and deeply dubious of any chance anyone's bias or dare I say superstition interfering needlessly with the practice of something that some find fun and some find beneficial.

Google it or go on you tube.
Example

Once again you are assuming that im trying to impose my beliefs on others. That really isnt fair in a dialogue.

 

[Faithfulservant]

Define the world view

AI is spot on today

worldview is a person's overall perspective on the world, while a biblical worldview is a worldview that is based on the teachings of the Bible.

Worldview

• A person's overall perspective on the world
• A narrative that informs how a person thinks, behaves, and makes choices
• • A comprehensive life system that answers basic questions about life

Biblical worldview

• • A worldview that is based on the teachings of the Bible
    
  • A way of interpreting reality through the lens of biblical principles
    
  • A way of making faith practical in everyday life
    
  • A way of living that reflects God's will and glorifies God
    

Differences

• • A biblical worldview is based on the idea that God sets the standard for what is true and real.
    
  • A biblical worldview is based on the idea that God created everything and is in charge.
    
  • A biblical worldview is based on the idea that the goal is to be holy, not happy.

 

[TheLightWithin]

ou presume that im interfering with peoples freedom of choice and i never did any such thing

You are free to do what you want or dont want.

excellent
quite right
you can't be sure nowadays whether people still accept that

 

[TheLightWithin]

Just because i state my beliefs doesnt mean im going to impose my beliefs on others. Please stop assuming that is what im doing.

As a side note Im a huge advocate for service animals to help vets with PTSD.

Good. Quite right.
Earlier today I opened up some pages on the research behind yoga and mental health, I'm hoping to squeeze in enough time to read them so as to summarize and post.
I was ambitious enough to google whether there is research on something like hesychastic prayer and mental health, if I find something good I will read and post a link.
I should look at the research on service animals and PTSD again. Problematically I am sometimes asked to write a letter in support of someone having an emotional support animal, which is less well defined and there's less research on AFAIK. I usually only write those letters for someone to be able to have AN animal in an otherwise restrictive living facility. But such animals are not specially trained the way service animals are and I cannot assess the animal.
I realize that last statement goes off topic a bit but I'm just reminding myself of the importance of research... reading research literature can be tedious but it's a good start,

 

[TheLightWithin]

Interesting... I take it you agree with the presentation?
Were you surprised by any of the details, or disagree with any?

I think the one called the "humanistic" worldview presents a hodgepodge of ideas that may not super-well represent a worldview of anybody who self reports being "humanistic" or even a "naturalistic" worldview. I mean, I guess it must represent what at least some factions of Christians think
humanism is about, so it's useful to further understand what some people who, I guess maybe dislike secularism or something, are thinking.

I wonder, how did someone arrive at this? If it's all AI it's just grabbing info from around.
But if a Christian (or someone from another religion who wanted to compare and contrast) really wanted to get something solid, they could do a bunch of interviews of "secular" or "humanistic" or "naturalistic" thinking people to get clarity. Maybe they've already done that, I don't know. Do you know of such a study? I can't help but think this could possibly be flavored by assumptions a particular faction of Christians (such as maybe fundamental or evangelical) make about those who are not religious. I wonder if they ever go into depth to try to understand the thinking - or perhaps are too satisfied with the commentary that says "open rebellion against god, you think you're a god, you worship man, you're trying to create a utopia, it's marxism etc" and not really looking into the wide variety of responses one might get, or how incredibly broad and wide ranging the thought is in secular philosophy or in science... that can't easily or accurately be dismissed as just "the world" and not really examined - i mean all secular philosophies cannot accurately be all lumped in together.