On Fallen Angels

Yahweh kid said:
He could be a wolf in sheep's clothing?.... the Word says.... "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light"
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Lucifer doesn't exist. People project different things on this figure from the Roman mythology.
The sun goes up in the morning and it goes down in the evening, and then we switch on the electric light or go sleep. The light is already here.
Also in the figurative sense, the light (in the sense of wisdom and insight) is already here. We just have to recognise it and live according to it.
 
Yahweh kid said:
How do you know?
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Lucifer is a word created by men, and people in the past and today who use or used the word have completely different concepts on its meaning. The origin is in the Roman polytheist mythology, somehow linked to the morning star, which is actually Venus, but has different roles, some from the Greek Prometheus, Phosphorus, then somehow mingled into the figure of Shaitan although the Roman mythology and the oriental concept of Shaitan have little in common. That's why I say Lucifer is only a word, and words don't exist but depend on the person who uses them.
 
talib-al-kalim said:
Lucifer is a word created by men, and people in the past and today who use or used the word have completely different concepts on its meaning. The origin is in the Roman polytheist mythology, somehow linked to the morning star, which is actually Venus, but has different roles, some from the Greek Prometheus, Phosphorus, then somehow mingled into the figure of Shaitan although the Roman mythology and the oriental concept of Shaitan have little in common. That's why I say Lucifer is only a word, and words don't exist but depend on the person who uses them.
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So when Jesus spoke about satan, who was He referring to?
 
talib-al-kalim said:
Lucifer is a word created by men ...
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Well all words were created ... lucifer has a long history, as discussed elsewhere.

talib-al-kalim said:
... and people in the past and today who use or used the word have completely different concepts on its meaning.
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Absolutely.

As demonstrated elsewhere, 'lucifer' in Scripture, Latin for the Day Star, was understood to signify Jesus. It was a positive reference.

With the printing of the Bible in English, and the emergence of popular folk-theology, Lucifer began to used as a name for the devil around the 14th century. But only in English. In the European vernacular bibles, German, French, Spanish, the translations was that language equivalent of 'morning star'.

Dante picked up 'Lucifer' and used it interchangeably with 'Satan' in his Divine Comedy – but this Lucifer/Satan is trapped in the lowest of the nine circles of hell, a realm of frozen in ice. He is portrayed as an enormous winged demon embedded in the ice, his flapping wings circulates the cold air and keeps the ice frozen, which in turn locks the demon and the worst of the worst sinners. This demon has three mouths, eternally chewing on the bodies of Cassius, Brutus and Judas.

Dante borrowed from Scripture, but he also introduced elements from various mythologies as well as his own imagination.

His influence should not be under-estimated – but it's far removed from Scripture.
 
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