Do Demons Truly Exist ?

[TheLightWithin]

I didn't find it scary(nor did she). (I didn't have the 'full experience', though.) My husband was terrified, though.

Indeed. I would be deeply unsettled by something like this.

 

[Aupmanyav]

You are consistent in your assertion that supernatural entities do not exist at all.
How were you able to fully rule out the possibility?

Evidence alone, not possibilities.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Some years ago, I read a book about possession. The author concluded that there were three types, and gave examples. First was possession by the spirit of a dead person. Secondly, there is a form of mind control by a living person and finally possession by creatures that have never normally inhabited our dimension of existence. The latter seems to fit the description of demons.

Nice categorization, at least.

 

[moralorel]

I wonder what that really was about?

It could have been delusions, of course.
Maybe he was someone from another planet or another dimension.

I wonder what ended up happening?

Do you have a link to the video?

Someone showed me the video on their phone, so I don't have a link to it.

Sometimes people really are delusional. But there are "crazies" out there who will make the biggest skeptic pause.

 

[Clobbernocky]

I suppose a demon is someone who has mastered malevolence or has power in it.

Just as an angel is someone who has mastered benevolence and combatting malevolence and has power in those things.

Demons and Angels are archetypes. Reminds me of the Jedi and Sith dichotomy.

The thing about demons is they must depend on good to do evil. An angel has no dependence on evil.

Maybe the greatest lie of a demon is that there is no such thing as good and evil. Another might be to convince souls that there's no such thing as morality and truth. Some might say it's all good, or everything is relative to the situation. Or morality is mere preference. I suppose a demon works in the grey areas of life looking for people to compromise their values with subtle lies and nuances. A demon might seek to diminish worthy meanings, and corrupt language. A demon might counterfeit what's good to claim achieve and thieve the reputations of others.

But a supernatural being is something I can't say I have any such belief in the existence of such. What would be the evidence of that?

 

[TheLightWithin]

Evidence alone, not possibilities.

Do I misunderstand or misremember when I think you said no gods or goddesses or demons exist and there is no possibility thereof?
How do you rule it out?
It's one thing to say the supernatural claim lacks evidence or has insufficient evidence or has inconclusive evidence.
But to more assertively say "they do not exist there is no possibility of them existing" seems almost too confident.
Am I misunderstanding or misremembering things you have said in other discussions?

 

[TheLightWithin]

Someone showed me the video on their phone, so I don't have a link to it.

Darn

Sometimes people really are delusional.

Yes

But there are "crazies" out there who will make the biggest skeptic pause.

Depends on what they say or demonstrate

 

[TheLightWithin]

The thing about demons is they must depend on good to do evil.

Is that so? Interesting.
But that would almost make it sound as if passivity or neutrality of good beings rather than goodness would actually stop evil in its tracks.
So much for the saying "All it takes for evil to persist is for good men to do nothing"
But if evil depends on good, it seems as if the good or potentially good should simply refrain from being anything.
It's like saying good begets evil or something, though I am not sure that is what you were trying to say.

 

[TheLightWithin]

But a supernatural being is something I can't say I have any such belief in the existence of such. What would be the evidence of that?

The way you speak of them could promote the impression that you do indeed see them as beings who make decisions.

 

[Clobbernocky]

Is that so? Interesting.
But that would almost make it sound as if passivity or neutrality of good beings rather than goodness would actually stop evil in its tracks.

I made no mention of passivity. I'm only saying that evil must thieve from goodness. As humans we come from a place of unknowing, trying to find our way out of darkness. I think good people are not masters of the good way, we are learners. Humans are vulnerable, and error prone.

So much for the saying "All it takes for evil to persist is for good men to do nothing"

Without goodness there is no civilization. People take advantage of goodness. Bosses ride the backs of their workers for example.

But if evil depends on good, it seems as if the good or potentially good should simply refrain from being anything.

Refraining from good would result in there being nothing for humanity to live.

It's like saying good begets evil or something, though I am not sure that is what you were trying to say.

No. Good begets good. Evil chooses to exploit that.

 

[Clobbernocky]

The way you speak of them could promote the impression that you do indeed see them as beings who make decisions.

There's truth in the mythology of angels and demons.

 

[TheLightWithin]

I made no mention of passivity.

YOU didn't outright mention passivity. It was a conclusion I felt was inevitable from your statement that 'evil relies on goodness'.
That makes it SEEM AS IF goodness could snuff out evil by just not doing anything - then evil would have nothing to depend on.
See?
I doubt you meant that, but if you think it through, the statement "evil depends on good" leads you down the road to that hypothesis, yes?

 

[Aupmanyav]

It's one thing to say the supernatural claim lacks evidence or has insufficient evidence or has inconclusive evidence.
But to more assertively say "they do not exist there is no possibility of them existing" seems almost too confident.

Why should I give in to an imaginary enemy or depend upon an imaginary helper?

 

[TheLightWithin]

Why should I give in to an imaginary enemy or depend upon an imaginary helper?

I didn't mention giving in to it or anybody else.
I wondered whether you had indeed claimed to have ruled out the possibility of supernatural entities existing and if so how.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Evidence, friend, evidence, since there is not even an iota of it.
Accepting even the possibility without any evidence is 'giving in'.
We have a saying in Hindi, 'Soot na kapas, julahe se lattham lattha'.
(A person neither has thread nor cotton and is arguing with the weaver - absolutely foolish and futile)
Show me the thread or cotton, then I will accept.

 

[TheLightWithin]

Accepting even the possibility without any evidence is 'giving in'.

Hunh??

I don't see it.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is OK. It is your perspective.

 

[Clobbernocky]

YOU didn't outright mention passivity. It was a conclusion I felt was inevitable from your statement that 'evil relies on goodness'.
That makes it SEEM AS IF goodness could snuff out evil by just not doing anything - then evil would have nothing to depend on.
See?

Goodness can't just sit back and do nothing because of the nature of the situation of life on Earth. Since goodness is the very thing that builds life and worth and evil is that which exploits goodness for its own purposes and life requires goodness to exist then that leaves good vulnerable.

I doubt you meant that, but if you think it through, the statement "evil depends on good" leads you down the road to that hypothesis, yes?

I don't think it does because if people do nothing they will no longer exist. Evil was never necessary. What does evil produce? Nothing of true value at all. So if goodness did nothing then evil would die along with the good. There'd be no life and no existence for anybody.

What does evil produce and what value does it create for itself? How does evil survive on its own?

It may be that evil people can do their own good and survive on their own for awhile and then one day they just stop being good and would rather exploit the good that is already there for nefarious reasons. I suppose even the Nazis lived off their own good, but used it all to conquer the world, and reap damage and destruction to innocent lives.

If goodness is for the cause of benefiting life, and evil is for the cause of thieving, abusing, and destroying life then all the good evil people produce is only a relative good and not truly good.

 

['Amir Alzzalam]

Hello Everyone ,

Different Divergent Views , Opinions and Believes Exist in the world today . Some Believe that Demons are Spiritual Evil Personalities that were Driven by Arch Angel Micheal from om Heaven into this World, Otherwise known as Fallen Angels .
When a Man Had a Terrible Nightmare it's demons that Made a Visit to Him during Sleep,When Man experience any Evil Thing like being Attacked with Strange Sickness That defies Medical Approach it's Demons that are Responsible.

When Some Rituals are done to Attack someone through Voodoo it's the Demons that are Summoned to Make the Voodoo and Spells to Work.

Some Believe that these Demons has Effective Spiritual Powers to make the wish or the Spiritualists that Summon them Granted if they are well Appeased.

Do You Believe in the Existence of Demons ?

There is ZERO proof of any objective form of a 'demon' or as we call them 'spiritual creatures'

 

[moralorel]

There is ZERO proof of any objective form of a 'demon' or as we call them 'spiritual creatures'

I love how you randomly pop up now and then to tell us your opinion on these matters. We're always standing around forgetting that there is the option that no deities or spirits exist. Thank-you for your contributions. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm headed to different forums to give them some insight that they probably don't have. I'm going to a bigfoot forum to remind them that bigfoot doesn't exist. I'm not sure they considered that idea before.