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Upon G-d granting eternal life
Wouldn't live forever (referencing your earlier comments)
Thoughts about Trinity beliefs
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CONDITIONAL IMMORTALITY
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Destroyed For Ever: An Examination of the Debates Concerning Annihilation and Conditional Immortality
There is no doctrine I would more willingly remove from Christianity than [hell], if it lay in my power … I would pay any price to be able to say truthfully: ‘All will be saved.’1 C.S. Lewis states clearly what is probably true for most modern Christians. Hell may well be unique amongst...
Rethinking Hell: What does “Conditional Immortality” mean?
Conditional Immortality is the view that life or existence is God's provisional gift to all, which will ultimately either be granted or revoked forever.
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Yes .. I'm familiar with the concept..
conditional immortality is a concept in which the gift of immortality is attached to (conditional upon) belief in Jesus Christ.
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..so I'm forced to live forever, if I believe in Jesus Christ?
What I'm trying to point out, is that the doctrine of conditional immortality assumes that
people would want to live forever.
Clearly many people do not .. the suicide rates are increasing.
Rich people often want to live forever .. I understand there are many film-stars of Hollywood
that have been frozen, hoping to be rejuvenated in a later century.
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However, if a soul is immortal, there is no escape from our deeds .. good or bad.
That corresponds to present reality .. where eventually, bad deeds get caught up with.
..so philosophically, I don't see that the doctrine makes any sense .. there is only heaven
and no hell .. and we can apparently escape any consequence like Hitler, who topped himself.
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It's not so much being forced as 'seeing the light'
But that's mental instability, among other things – it's becoming subject to illusion, or subject to the archon of this world – death – in the view that death is the best solution all round.
Yerse ... and Jesus had something to say about that (riches, I mean).Rich people often want to live forever .. I understand there are many film-stars of Hollywood
that have been frozen, hoping to be rejuvenated in a later century.
Quite right. There is a process of purification.
Yes and no ... our present reality still hankers after retribution. We require suffering as part of the process – we feel short-changed otherwise.
But that's not the doctrine.
1: There is heaven and hell.
2: Hell is a temporary condition until the summation of the Age.
2a: It my well be that Heven is equally temporary, until the summation of the Age.
(In that Jesus returns, a New Jerusalem, and then the summation of the age.)
3: Hitler will not have escaped the consequences of his actions.
Therefore, we assume a lot of purification necessary, although we can also see that he was not in his right mind (being an addict, and off his rocker) and thus there are mitigating circumstances.
But whet we really face is not what God thinks is just, but what we think is just.
I think if something is so utterly corrupt that, after the purifying fire, there's actually no vestige of what once there was surviving the process, then it's non-existence.
If God is just, then perpetual punishment with no remittance, and no chance of change or repentance, is disproportionate and unjust.
Again, if no good comes out of it, I cannot see why God would will it, as God wills only the good?
It is for the evangelicals.
Those who do not 'believe in Jesus' will cease to exist.
OK
We all know that G-d is Holy, perfect.
..but I don't see G-d as a person who sentences people to eternal punishment.
..or sentences people to eternal paradise, for that matter.
We reap what we sow .. it's all about the nature of a soul .. and the fact that it does not
disappear upon physical death.
Ummm .. G-d allows evil in this present life .. n'est pas?
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I don't see why it doesn't make sense to you?
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Well, the response is to the doctrine of conditional immortality
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No, most evangelicals believe in eternal conscious torment in hell
More heterodox groups like SDAs, JWS, Christadelphians, and the descendants of the Armstrong churches, believe in conditional immortality, where the wages of sin = death.
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If you don't believe in eternal punishment, or eternal paradise, or conditional immortality, what IS your theory about what happens to a soul in the afterlife?
It's not borne out in reality ..
..it's like some sort of "fairyland" where all live happily ever after.
I have no theory..
..but I believe in life after physical death, and that people will not be wronged.
We will reap what we sow .. much like as in this life, with the caveat that our
deeds can no longer be hidden.
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