Abogado del Diablo said:I think he had a thing about Catholics, too. Something about them not being Jewish enough, as I recall.
Perhaps, but I do not ban people...
Abogado del Diablo said:I think he had a thing about Catholics, too. Something about them not being Jewish enough, as I recall.
Quahom1 said:Perhaps, but I do not ban people...
Abogado del Diablo said:I don't know why he was banned either. I just remember the person who started this thread seemed really angry to me.
Quahom1 said:The scripture itself wasn't considered mean, but the context in which it was originally used was...
Quahom1 said:This particular thread? Or another thread?
RubySera_Martin said:Are you saying we newbies should see it as a quarrel from the past and ignore this thread??? But this doesn't make sense. It would have been deleted long ago if that were the case. I guess I just don't understand.
Abogado del Diablo said:This was one of several s/he wrote all around the same time. I think this was deemed to intend to be offensive by most because of other things this same poster had written.
Quahom1 said:Why, yes Chris, it was a great slap in the face of Jews...and the poster was (for many reasons), eventually banned...![]()
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There is no judgment awaiting those who trust him. But those who do not trust him have already been judged for not believing in the only Son of God. Their judgment is based on this fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. They hate the light because they want to sin in the darkness. They stay away from the light for fear their sins will be exposed and they will be punished.
China Cat Sunflower said:O.K., but who else but the Jews can John be talking about here?
Again:
I mean, who else "rejected the light" and "loved darkness more than light"? At the point of John writing this the Jews, for all intents and purposes as far as anyone could reckon, were toast. The temple had been destroyed, Massada had happened... their fate was sealed as far as John could see.
Just looking at immediate context.
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Quahom1 said:In accordance with scripture...every one of us. Yep, we're "Toast", if we continue to reject...sorry dude, that is the Christian way.
Hey I didn't invent the truth, I just believe it. And I sleep better at night.
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edit: What in "God's Green earth", do I have to lose by believing in what Jesus said?...mean or not?
China Cat Sunflower said:Maybe I shoulda read the whole thread. I think the context here is that the Jews had their chance to believe but they chose not to. I mean, I think that's what John is saying. John is different from the synoptics, he starts out with a very Greek idea about Jesus being the Logos. It's kind of a more grown-up, more hellenistic gospel thing than what Mat, Mark, and the Doc put out, and really gets closer to Paul in an interesting, almost evolutionary but cyclical way.
Chris
Quahom1 said:Well, perhaps those posting now, have not the intention of being offensive...time will tell...
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China Cat Sunflower said:Maybe I shoulda read the whole thread. I think the context here is that the Jews had their chance to believe but they chose not to. I mean, I think that's what John is saying. John is different from the synoptics, he starts out with a very Greek idea about Jesus being the Logos. It's kind of a more grown-up, more hellenistic gospel thing than what Mat, Mark, and the Doc put out, and really gets closer to Paul in an interesting, almost evolutionary but cyclical way.
Chris
Um, just a guess here, but I think he might have been referring to those who trust that their status of being Jews as being the means by which their salvation was guaranteed...China Cat Sunflower said:O.K., but who else but the Jews can John be talking about here?
Again:
There is no judgment awaiting those who trust him. But those who do not trust him have already been judged for not believing in the only Son of God. Their judgment is based on this fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. They hate the light because they want to sin in the darkness. They stay away from the light for fear their sins will be exposed and they will be punished.
I mean, who else "rejected the light" and "loved darkness more than light"? At the point of John writing this the Jews, for all intents and purposes as far as anyone could reckon, were toast. The temple had been destroyed, Massada had happened... their fate was sealed as far as John could see.
Just looking at immediate context.
Chris
A real crime is to leave out the last verse:Conscience said:For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it. There is no judgment awaiting those who trust him. But those who do not trust him have already been judged for not believing in the only Son of God. Their judgment is based on this fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. They hate the light because they want to sin in the darkness. They stay away from the light for fear their sins will be exposed and they will be punished. John 3:16-20
cyberpi said:A real crime is to leave out the last verse:
John 3:-21 But he that DOES TRUTH comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
Who could not trust and believe Jesus (pbuh)? Perhaps someone who has not met him yet?
how true that is, we should hold to the scriptures just as the faithful ones have over the years , matthew 24;45-47 it leads to great blessings and responsibilty. flashes of enlightenment from Jehovah . no darkness for faithful ones , but unfaithful ones are in darkness, no longer does Jehovah shine his light on them , he has rejected them. matthew 8;12JustifiedByFaith said:Dear Dor,
Thank you for stating that this belief has come from man and from the interpretations of man. We must subject all things to the "light" of the scriptures and hold fast that which is true.![]()
mee said:When Jesus’ presence began in 1914, did he find a group of anointed Christians who were faithfully dispensing food at the proper time? He certainly did. This group could be clearly identified because of the fine fruitage that it was producing. (Matthew 7:20) yes its all happening in this time of the end,enlightenment indeed.
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By highlighting the line about judgement, I assume that your question is essentially directed toward that sentiment. For my part, I will say that this is only really 'mean' if you interpret it as the vindictive qualities of a God personality.For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it. There is no judgment awaiting those who trust him. But those who do not trust him have already been judged for not believing in the only Son of God. Their judgment is based on this fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. They hate the light because they want to sin in the darkness. They stay away from the light for fear their sins will be exposed and they will be punished. John 3:16-20
I supply this quotation in the hopes that one can see that what Jesus means when he says that one who "does not trust, is judged." The real vision of Jesus is expressed powerfully and concisely here. If a man cannot even be like the lilies, which are beautiful by their own nature without any struggling to be this or that, then what can he possibly achieve with his intentional effort? If one cannot trust oneself to God in the same way that a flower trusts itself unflinchingly and is always, therefore, beautiful, then he is most certainly already judged. Judged, that is, in the sense that he is limited from the very beginning no matter what path he chooses, because he is always only doing it with a part of himself, while the other part is always doubting and protesting. Fullness in his life is superficial, because he cannot see that God is not something to achieve or to possess. He is, rather, the realization that comes to you when you see that God is the very thing which you can never possess...just as that which makes the lilies truly beautiful is not known to either the lily or to the field.And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek: ) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Perhaps this sounds very simple, but simple things are always the most difficult. In actual life it requires the greatest art to be simple, and so acceptance of oneself is the essence of the moral problem and the acid test of one's whole outlook on life. That I feed the beggar, that I forgive an insult, that I love my enemy in the name of Christ - all these are undoubtedly great virtues. What I do unto the least of my brethren, that I do unto Christ. But what if I should discover that the least among them all, the poorest of all beggars, the most impudent of all offenders, yea the very fiend himself - that these are within me, and that I myself stand in need of my own kindness, that I myself am the enemy who must be loved - what then? Then, as a rule, the whole truth of Christianity is reversed: there is no more talk of love and long-suffering; we say to the brother within us, "Raca," and condemn and rage against ourselves. We hide him from the world; we deny ever having met this least among the lowly in ourselves, and had it been God himself who drew near to us in this despicable form, we should have denied him a thousand times before a single cock had crowed.
if we look to the bible we can see that he wasnt hiding at all. but in 1914 he was given kingship of the heavenly kingdom goverment Daniel 7;13-14 .yes the kingdom is now well and truely set up, Daniel 2;44 and our king Jesus christ is making his presence known . yes thrilling times indeed . dont miss the signs , its all happening.Dor said:Quick question Mee where was he hiding if his presence didnt begin till 1914.