The Antichrist Will Easily Take The World

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How? Doesn't take much to figure it out. First, we could start by remembering what he know about him:
a) he is the greatest liar of all
b) he will be a tyrant
c) he will claim to be the Messiah
d) he will blasphem
etc.

If he is going to be all that, then how is he going to convince so many monotheists around the globe to simply accept him?
I personally believe he won't have to. Why?
The Holy Bible gives us a clear clue. The political, economic and religious systems will be united. In order to do this, I believe, the political system must be established all over the globe. This system must be attractive to the masses by adressing what the humankind has always asked for: a) appearance of peace around the globe, b) equality among the races, ethnicity, respect/tolarance of religions, etc. Does not sound bad, does it? We all want this and have wanted this for ages. Well, assuming that the liar will probably want the public support, he will temporarily give us that.
But, is this kind of polital regime suddenly spread throughout the globe? Probably not. There are helpers along the way:
a) dictors such as: Hitler, Stalin, Sadaam, and many other evil doers who have killed thousands of people, who have opressed people for so many years causing them hearthache, loss of freedom, and great losses in their lives. Suprisingly, many of these dictoras have shown to be not religious, at least not religious in the sense to the religions they declare themselves to follow. Hitler for instance believed described in many instances that he felt 'overpowered' by something before his speeches, and certainly did not exercise the love Christianity is trying to teach. Stalin was an atheist. Sadaam it is said believes that he is the reincarnated king Nabuchadnezzar. Certainly, incarnation is not a belief of Islam.
b) preachers/priests: these could be rapist priests or the hateful imams. While there are certainly priests/imams who are doing what they are supposed to do--preach faith in God and help people learn how to save themselves, others are helping the evil cause by their actions. How many young lives rapist priests have destroyed? How many young men have been deluded that killing everything non-Muslim is ok, even though Islam states that one must not kill other human being unless in self-defense (self-defense: protecting one's being physically as well as spiritually)?
Suprisingly, many of the dictators have been supported by certain powerful regimes in their times. In Hitler's time he had support of many European groups within the Europe as well as the Catholic Church at the time. Stalin certainly may have support of communist regimes who wanted to supress any kind of religious systems, so killing of Muslims and Jews in the old Russia was not a threat to his regime. Sadaam certainly was supported by the U.S. at some point when he fought war against Iran. Now we discover that some in the UN illegally traded stuff with him, helping him stay rich and in power for a while.

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Ok :) so perhaps we can understand what he will do about the political regimes. With the evil lesser antichrists around the globe, he will pave his way through with a false pretense of pacifism.

What about the religious systems? How in the world is one going to convince Jews to accept Christianity as the truth? Or even Islam? How can Christians accept anything else to be Truth besides Christianity? Would it be possible at all to convince Muslims that paganism is a way of truth? :) No offense, but probably the faithful of each faith will stay faithful. No problem with that, right?

I hypothesize that the Antichrist will use something to gain support among the religous groups. The Holy Bible and Islamic teachings give us some clue about his overtake among the Jews (some of the Jews--not all of them). The Bible tells us that he will make a truce with Israel. At this point, Israel is struggling to make its independence a fact for all times. Some/many Jews are still awaiting the Messiah. He can very well use that card to proclaim himself as the awaiting Messiah.

What about Islam and Christianity? The two religious groups have been in war for ages now about their understanding of God and the Messiah. It is strange to see that one is rejecting the other totally (Christianity rejecting Islam) and the other trying to embrace the other in its own way (Islam is seeking recognition to some degree by its belief in Jesus as one of the greatest prophets s.a.v.s. and the human Messiah). Strangely, both faiths have been talking about the coming of the liar. Islam affirms certain biblical teachings about the Antichrist, and also adds more description to his diabolical personality. I, personally believe, these two religous groups will be weakened by the sociao-political-economic system.

Already we see nations with majority Christian populations usually disregarding Christian theachings. A country in Europe has legalized prostitution. Certain states have legalized abortions. The Christian faith is described so bad when it comes to politics that the West has won in dividing the Church and State. Again, the evil preachers from the old times may have contributed to the desire to divide the two (just like in many other non-Christian nations), but certainly one can say that the spirit of Christianity have been under attack for years now.

And what about Islam? Islam is dealing with problems within its own borders. Muslims certainly have had a passion to fight for God for a long time and anything and anyone who threatens the belief and laws of God is viewed an enemy. Well, what has happened and what he have witnessed is that the opressive leaders claimed religous/political leaderships (Islamic laws are the politics in many islamic societies). Many of them have incorporated unislamic pratices to claim them as part of the 'islamic' way of life, such as: female circumcision, suicide bombers, degrading women in the social roles (which goes against the Islamic teachings) etc. Then what we come to is the fact that Muslims come into war with themselves and those who are trying to establish different law than that of God. We find Muslims desiring the freedom and rights that their religon wants them to have, and at the same time they want to be a part of the humanity contributing to this world through being friends with those who do not attack them. Yet, we also find Muslims struggling to accept those laws that go against their set of beliefs and which are guaranteed to happen if the God's laws are removed: abortions, higher crime rates, sexual immorality, etc. One can say that the spirit of Islam is first meant to be fought, than broken. Once the world has seen the 'ugliness' of Islam, no one is going to accept it as a social way of life. And once the whole world is united against the Islam (as prophecized by Prophet Muhammad s.a.v.s.--he said that the nations will call themselves to fight Muslims), at the end only the true Muslims are going to be under attack. We see it in France and Turkey: Muslim women are forbidden to wear scarfs. This is just one way of opression. Certainly suicide bombers and 'hate-Christians-and-Jews' 'islamic' patriots are contributing to the death of Islam in the world.

These are just my thoughts... I believe with all my heart that if the believers in God followed his teachings and laws to the fullest, if we did not let evil overtake some of us, we would not come to see the dark 'messiah.' But I believe he is closer than we think.

We have many nations with increasing atheist groups. Many people consider religions and monotheistic Books as 'man-made.' Religious/pious among the monotheistic faiths are looked at with distate, hatred and are prone to being made fun off. Some are perceived (potential) terrorists, others 'dumb' religous fanatics who bomb abortion clinics. Certainly anti-Semitism has not ceased to exist even after the most evil event in the human history, the Holocaust.

I believe that the prophecies of the Prophets are unveiling themselves every second, every day. I personally believe the Antichrist is at our doors and pretty soon the globe will come to the point where he will be embraced whole heartedly with his political 'genius.'

These are just my thoughts. What do you all think?
 
One more thing...

Conclusion about the union of political and religious systems: once the laws of God observed by the faithful of all monotheistic faiths are supressed by the division between religon and politics all over the globe, this will unite every religious system in the globe under one law that won't abide by any specific law of God. I believe we will continue to have divisions, but the law of the Earth won't regard any religous teaching as the laws of nations. It may incorporate some of the laws, but not all. This will help idolatry to spread, devil worship will be open since there won't be restrictions about who preaches and worships who, etc.

In regards to economy, I think the globalization effort is an evidence for that.
 
Amica said:
How? Doesn't take much to figure it out. First, we could start by remembering what he know about him:
a) he is the greatest liar of all
b) he will be a tyrant
c) he will claim to be the Messiah
d) he will blasphem
etc.

If he is going to be all that, then how is he going to convince so many monotheists around the globe to simply accept him?

...In regards to economy, I think the globalization effort is an evidence for that.
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yes for the most part, this is what i have been seeing for a long time. the confusion kind of has to be built up a lot also.

i am thinking, throw in a little technology, science theory, satellite TV, some imagination...maybe laser lights & graphic effects...
then top with a desperate craving for peace & truth, and a sprinkle of 'read my lips' promises & we have ourselves a miracle man or miracle it.

this one will be the slyest of them all. i wonder if A-D will come after the world falls for it. it seems to be tipping that way rapidly & the globe is already accepting it. kind of like a catch 22.

so, be sober, watch & pray:)

thank you for the post & welcome to CR
 
Salaam, Amica,

What a thoughtful post you have set before us. I believe the same. I don't like the way things are, but all I can do is, like you, tell the truth. I see that you are sincere, if you have posted these words from within your heart.

InPeace,
InLove
 
Wow- there is so much here. Thanks for this discussion, Amica. I'll respond to a few things from my own perspective (informed from my take on the end times prophecies, my own spiritual feelings on the matter, and social science- what a combination!). I'll put my notes in blue...

he will pave his way through with a false pretense of pacifism.

I hypothesize that the Antichrist will use something to gain support among the religous groups.

I, personally believe, these two religous groups will be weakened by the sociao-political-economic system.

Already we see nations with majority Christian populations usually disregarding Christian theachings. A country in Europe has legalized prostitution. Certain states have legalized abortions.

I think it will be a peace based on a lack of freedom- demanding people give up their freedoms and human rights to gain security. Such security, and such peace, are based in oppression, which is not true security or peace. True Christ-based peace would come out of love and individual ethical action and not be based on politics and force.

I think the anti-christ is symbolic for all who work against the will of God, but those that are most successful (like Hitler) gain support through political and economic means, so I agree with you there. I think one of the key issues is not things like abortion or prostitution being legal, but rather materialism. Anymore, I see a lot of folks willing to give up everything and anything to get and keep their stuff. People want more stuff, not equality and compassion. And this is key. Hitler rose to power, in great part, because the German people were in an economic crisis and Hitler promised to raise up their economy and nation- he played on people's fears, desires, and nationalistic pride. What is scary is that many people today are also very fearful of losing security and their possessions, they are very materialistic, and they are increasingly nationalistic- they see themselves as members of X nation rather than as members of humanity. It is out of these motivations that I believe other Hitler-esque type people have and will arise.

The Christian faith is described so bad when it comes to politics that the West has won in dividing the Church and State. Again, the evil preachers from the old times may have contributed to the desire to divide the two (just like in many other non-Christian nations), but certainly one can say that the spirit of Christianity have been under attack for years now.

I personally think it is a good thing to divide church and state. So far in human history, the union of the two always brought more corruption and consolidation of power in both, and more ways for the elite to hurt the average person. The whole point of the United States was a bunch of small minority Christian groups fleeing state-based organized religion and persecution. The spirit of Christianity, for me, is essentially one that is based on the individual's relationship to God and Jesus Christ, and is not about government. I believe religion should not be a group decision- freedom of religion should be a basic human right. It is only through the capacity of personal choice and freedom that one can truly make the journey to come to one's religion. Otherwise, everyone is just forced to go through the same motions without any real personal basis for faith, and that isn't real salvation. There is also a big problem in Christianity with uniting church and state- which church? Lots of Christians don't believe other kinds of Christians are "real" Christians- so who decides who is in and who is out? Seems like a dangerous place to be- hearkening back to the days when Galileo and other "heretics" were excommunicated, imprisoned, and executed.

We see it in France and Turkey: Muslim women are forbidden to wear scarfs. This is just one way of opression.

While I uphold the division of church and state, I agree with you that it should mean division to both protect church and state. It works both ways. The state should not be allowed to forbid people to practice their religion, as long as it doesn't hurt another person. To that end, I do think it becomes a bit ridiculous to propose changing historical national songs, money, etc. just to be PC. That seems like a waste of resources to me. And people should be free to practice their religion as they want- wear symbols of their faith and clothing appropriate for it, pray when they need to, have the necessary holidays off (I'm personally all for flex-holiday time rather than state-based holidays), etc. If students at a school or workers at a company want to create their own groups based on religion and meet during breaks or whatnot for Bible study or prayer or whatever, I think that's great. Separating church and state, for me, means protecting the freedoms in both- not eliminating religion from everyday life.

These are just my thoughts... I believe with all my heart that if the believers in God followed his teachings and laws to the fullest, if we did not let evil overtake some of us, we would not come to see the dark 'messiah.' But I believe he is closer than we think.

I agree. I believe the end times prophecies are not telling the future, as if it is set in stone. I believe they tell us about the will of God, and what will come to pass if we do not follow it. I will be so bold to say that I don't think the problem is a lack of self-identified believers (i.e., we don't necessarily need to convert people) but rather that believers don't practice their faith. Christians, for example, are called to make peace, to love enemies, to share generously with the poor without regard for themselves, to be hospitable, etc. but most of us are preoccupied far more with everyday life and our own culture and nation rather than the unifying teachings of Jesus. I really believe if we followed Christ, our faith would overcome the anti-christ.

We have many nations with increasing atheist groups. Many people consider religions and monotheistic Books as 'man-made.' Religious/pious among the monotheistic faiths are looked at with distate, hatred and are prone to being made fun off. Some are perceived (potential) terrorists, others 'dumb' religous fanatics who bomb abortion clinics.

Honestly, I don't think atheism is the problem. Atheists are a miniscule group in terms of population in the world, and most of the atheists I know neither care that others have religion, nor are they cruel or unethical. They're a decent lot of folks and just mostly want to be left alone. It is far more disturbing to me that so many people believe the monotheistic books and religions are "God-made," but they interpret these to mean that all others on earth are doomed to hell, that violence is justifiable, etc. In short, a few vocal people do make fun of religious folks, but they are few and far between. What is common are people who think they are religious, but still don't promote the love, peace, and joy that characterizes a life in God's service. Some of these folks are terrorists, and are bombing abortion clinics. Those are, by far, the ones I find most problematic. My atheist collegues may not understand my belief in God, but at least they respect my freedom to practice my religion. Intolerance of others' beliefs is far more common, it seems, when you have some of your own to defend.

I believe that the prophecies of the Prophets are unveiling themselves every second, every day. I personally believe the Antichrist is at our doors and pretty soon the globe will come to the point where he will be embraced whole heartedly with his political 'genius.'

I agree. I do sense a change coming, though I don't interpret the prophecies literally. I feel something looming, the increase of violence, poverty, suffering is bound to find a climax.
 
Amica said:
Conclusion about the union of political and religious systems: once the laws of God observed by the faithful of all monotheistic faiths are supressed by the division between religon and politics all over the globe, this will unite every religious system in the globe under one law that won't abide by any specific law of God. I believe we will continue to have divisions, but the law of the Earth won't regard any religous teaching as the laws of nations.
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I don't know about this. I think we're a long way off from any global system that allows that kind of religious freedom. Furthermore, like I pointed out before, historically it is far more dangerous when religious (or anti-religious) system and state unite (whether Hitler's Germany, or atheistic communist Russia and China, etc.) than when state does it's own thing and people have freedom of religion. I don't think the Buddhists, Hindus, indigenous "Pagan" peoples, etc. of the world should be oppressed and unable to practice their religions, nor do I think God mandates such. At least in Christianity we are called to share the Good News, but to those who do not listen, we are merely called to "let our peace return back to us" and leave. We were never called to unite our religious system with a government, so I don't see the division as a bad thing. The monotheistic faiths, in my opinion, are not the only traditions with wisdom and love of God and other beings. There is beauty and wisdom in all paths that lead to love, whether or not they are the path for us.

Additionally, the current trend, at least in the United States is toward a theocracy (religion-run government) rather than away from it. Many social scientists believe that without a significant shift in politics, this nation will wind up with church and state very much intwined. I'm in agreement with them, both as a social scientist and spiritually, that it would be a disaster. Just as God gave us free will, I believe it is right to give all people on earth free will, provided they do not harm others.

This will help idolatry to spread, devil worship will be open since there won't be restrictions about who preaches and worships who, etc.
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What is fascinating is that no one thinks of themselves as an idolator. By definition, idolatry is worshipping a false God- and of course no one believes they are doing so. I've heard Jews say Christians are idolators, and Christians say Pagans are, and so on and so forth. Buddhists can't be idolators because they don't believe in God. You can argue that more people will fall away from monotheism, but even in so doing, not all of us would agree that they are being idolators. I believe that all who walk a path that leads to love, all that seek God in their myriad ways, will find Him- but they'll think about this experience through their own unique cultural lense.

As for devil worship, this depends on what you mean by the term. Technically, there are very few people in the world who literally worship the devil. The devil is a Christian and Muslim spirit-entity, and the neo-Pagans, indigenous people, Buddhists, Hindus, and so forth don't even believe in such an entitity, much less worship it. Now, if you are defining all worship and religion outside your religion's approved forms as worshipping the devil... that's another story. Personally, I think there is a big difference between worshipping Satan and worshipping God (or seeking enlightenment) in established traditions that produce love. As Jesus said, by their fruits, you shall know the difference.

In regards to economy, I think the globalization effort is an evidence for that.
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I agree. But globalization and capitalism is why we can have so much stuff. If we switched back to a local economy (because, remember, oil and such is a global market), we'd have to give up a lot of the material stuff us Americans like so much. Stuff would be expensive, because it wouldn't be made cheaply by poor people in third world areas. We'd have to pay the actual environmental cost of sustainably using our natural resources and disposing of the toxins from making all this stuff (like the cancer-causing materials in our computers). I'm all for sustainable use, reducing our consumption, and making economies more local. However, there are very few people who are willing to sacrifice what is necessary, and it's a near-impossibility to halt globalization. I've yet to hear the religious voice in the States argue against consumerism and globalization effectively.
 
Amica said:
How? Doesn't take much to figure it out. First, we could start by remembering what he know about him:
a) he is the greatest liar of all
b) he will be a tyrant
c) he will claim to be the Messiah
d) he will blasphem
etc.

If he is going to be all that, then how is he going to convince so many monotheists around the globe to simply accept him?
I personally believe he won't have to. Why?
The Holy Bible gives us a clear clue. The political, economic and religious systems will be united. In order to do this, I believe, the political system must be established all over the globe. This system must be attractive to the masses by adressing what the humankind has always asked for: a) appearance of peace around the globe, b) equality among the races, ethnicity, respect/tolarance of religions, etc.
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First of all, lets look at what has happened in the past and the mindset of humans before, then, and now.

In the beginning many people banded together to create babylon in defiance to God. Celebrating in man and worshiping man caused its downfall. Since then many men have attempted world domination. yet it has failed. its failure, its restraint, is the holy spirit working thru the christian church. however; one day when the christian church is raptured, satan will be let loose completely. with no spiritual restraint, the antichrist will be able to work. signs and wonders will appear, however they are not of God... yet people will accept them. People want a religious experience, they want only the good of religion, they want to pick and choose what works for them, they want proof as well; therefore they will accept this fake form of religion that brings: a fake and temporary peace to the middle east, signs and wonders, and prosperity to a unified europe. did you know that the headquarters of unified europe is a replica of the tower of babylon? what religion are most european nations? have you ever seen thousands of people banded together through promises of prosperity and at the same time jews being branded with a mark? have you seen thousands of people wonder at the possibility of a crying image of the virgin mary? have you seen wars over the israels promised land, or who controls the rights of the oil in the middle east? it is all quickly coming to a fake uniting of people, acceptance and tolerance of all religions, and at the same time those believing it to be truth will be deceived. i see the possibilites man is capable of, and pray that all find the one truth in Jesus Christ.
 
If I'm not wrong, the coming of the Antichrist is associated with the end times.
All these 'end of the world' stories illustrate the fact that men are oblivious of the past and of the hundreds of times when the world should have come to an end.
 
mansio said:
If I'm not wrong, the coming of the Antichrist is associated with the end times.
All these 'end of the world' stories illustrate the fact that men are oblivious of the past and of the hundreds of times when the world should have come to an end.
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the anti- christ has been around since near the end of the first century
Antichrist means against or instead of Christ. The term applies to all who deny what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, all who oppose his Kingdom, and all who mistreat his followers. It also includes individuals, organizations, and nations that falsely claim to represent Christ or that improperly ascribe to themselves the role of Messiah ...So the question is who are falsely claiming to represent Christ,i think it must be those with bad fruitage i wonder who that can be?

 
Its time to stop guessing who or when, it does say the beast is, was and is not.

It is…………Paul (Saul), John Nicodemus (Nicolaitans) and Simon Peter (stone) their doctrine is Anti-Christ, even though they believed it not to be and others do. Yet all the way through what they have written with a careful examination, it is clear they contradict Yeshua and the Bible.

This then fulfill all spoken as the worlds main governments are Christian; they follow the hierarchy of the Pharisees. The list is too long to mention of the amount of things this then fulfills.

God tries to make things simple, their doctrine has made it so hard to see and anyone who has tried to say has been killed or deleted.
 
The Antichrist, Satan, Devil, it's just Metaphore of a Spirit, actualy in
Reality is just a Belief. Product of your Imagination.
All the bad things you see around you, and believe is " evil that Man do ",
Is only product of Mental illnes.
Sin is Illusion created by Man. Everything is good. If Eve wasn't created with
ability to believe, instead to obey, we wouldn't exist today. Without death, we
would not have Life.
First order was not to gain knowledge of "good" and "evil", If you have belief
of that knowledge, you are going to die.

Can anybody over here, proove that Antichrist Exist ?

much respect !
 
Plaidback said:
The Antichrist, Satan, Devil, it's just Metaphore of a Spirit, actualy in
Reality is just a Belief. Product of your Imagination.
All the bad things you see around you, and believe is " evil that Man do ",
Is only product of Mental illnes.
Sin is Illusion created by Man. Everything is good. If Eve wasn't created with
ability to believe, instead to obey, we wouldn't exist today. Without death, we
would not have Life.
First order was not to gain knowledge of "good" and "evil", If you have belief
of that knowledge, you are going to die.

Can anybody over here, proove that Antichrist Exist ?

much respect !
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maybe you are the antichrist plaidback?

i agree with one thing for sure. there is a definate amount of mental illness in the world.

so...
keep Gods message of love in your heart..then there will be no mental illness.

much mental illness! much love!:)
 
How do you know that list of facts you have quoted are what the AntiChrist shall represent? Also when you think where you found these 'traits' of the AntiChrist do you not think He will be able to get this information too? I seriously doubt he will claim to be Messiah... I'd put money on that, if gambling ughm, wasn't frowned upon... :D
 
17th Angel said:
How do you know that list of facts you have quoted are what the AntiChrist shall represent? Also when you think where you found these 'traits' of the AntiChrist do you not think He will be able to get this information too? I seriously doubt he will claim to be Messiah... I'd put money on that, if gambling ughm, wasn't frowned upon... :D
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he wont need to claim the title. IMO
there is a great big world out there expecting one, because they reject any before him.
the beast will give him his power & claim the title for him.
 
Bandit said:
maybe you are the antichrist plaidback?

i agree with one thing for sure. there is a definate amount of mental illness in the world.

so...
keep Gods message of love in your heart..then there will be no mental illness.

much mental illness! much love!:)
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Dude, you are all over Me, like Mike Tyson over " Beauty Pageant ".
It couldn't happen otherwise, it's just, you're too focused on who am I,
then to focus on my words.
I am The only one on this Forum, that gives Credit and Glory for Everything
to Holy Trinity, 100%, and trying to explain that Devil actualy do not exist,
that Devil is what we call " Belief ".
And you are saying that Devil is Me.
For You Every person that Kill another, in any circumstance, other that
Selfdefence, is Not Mentaly Ill ??
What ever drives those minds to kill and @ the same time feel how killing is
normal is not Normal. And is entirely result of their DNA / Spirit.
My heart is just an Muscle that keep pumping blood trough my body.
I keep Messages (I want to keep), in my brain, I guess that is difference between Me and You.
If you can proove, you can keep any kind of message in your Heart, You
are Biological Fenomenon and, If I were You, I would try to $$$$ that ;)
 
Plaidback said:
Dude, you are all over Me, like Mike Tyson over " Beauty Pageant ".
It couldn't happen otherwise, it's just, you're too focused on who am I,
then to focus on my words.
I am The only one on this Forum, that gives Credit and Glory for Everything
to Holy Trinity, 100%, and trying to explain that Devil actualy do not exist,
that Devil is what we call " Belief ".
And you are saying that Devil is Me.
For You Every person that Kill another, in any circumstance, other that
Selfdefence, is Not Mentaly Ill ??
What ever drives those minds to kill and @ the same time feel how killing is
normal is not Normal. And is entirely result of their DNA / Spirit.
My heart is just an Muscle that keep pumping blood trough my body.
I keep Messages (I want to keep), in my brain, I guess that is difference between Me and You.
If you can proove, you can keep any kind of message in your Heart, You
are Biological Fenomenon and, If I were You, I would try to $$$$ that ;)
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well you totally lost me on all that. some people believe killing is normal, obviously.

i think i presented a question, not a statement...seems to me your words are you & my words are me. so when i see the words, that is who i see.

much truth!
 
Its Paul and John!!!

As I am discussing on here and on other forums most Jews will not accept Christ, as the gospel of John is made up by the Pharisee to discredit him. Any one brought up within Jewish customs will find it hard to accept what is written in John, as it portrays Christ as God. This is not recorded in Matthew, Mark and Luke of him ever saying this.

The books of Paul Contradict Christ directly and contain well over 36 points that are Anti-Christ teachings.

Both of these were Pharisee, this remains as truth till the present day and fulfills all prophecy spoken of this.



Peace N love B with U
 
wizanda said:
Its Paul and John!!!

As I am discussing on here and on other forums most Jews will not accept Christ, as the gospel of John is made up by the Pharisee to discredit him. Any one brought up within Jewish customs will find it hard to accept what is written in John, as it portrays Christ as God. This is not recorded in Matthew, Mark and Luke of him ever saying this.

The books of Paul Contradict Christ directly and contain well over 36 points that are Anti-Christ teachings.

Both of these were Pharisee, this remains as truth till the present day and fulfills all prophecy spoken of this.



Peace N love B with U
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maybe you are the antichrist wizanda?:)

it used to be just paul, now it is paul & john? + 36 points?
i dont think so.

i dont think whether Jesus is God or is not God has anything to do with this.
 
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