The Antichrist Will Easily Take The World

[BlaznFattyz]

remember when jesus went out and was tempted by satan. he took him to a high place and showed him all nations and said ill give you all this if you bow down to me. of course he told satan to go away, but the antichrist will take this offer and will make a deal with the devil.. that power gained will enable him to fool many.

 

[Plaidback]

remember when jesus went out and was tempted by satan. he took him to a high place and showed him all nations and said ill give you all this if you bow down to me. of course he told satan to go away, but the antichrist will take this offer and will make a deal with the devil.. that power gained will enable him to fool many.

It is just a story you took Literaly.
Satan is Belief.
And your belief is, that Creator can be tempted by His Creation.
That's Cute
do you believe in Santa also ?

 

[BlaznFattyz]

your silly redundant posts regarding belief this and that are pointless and useless to this topic and many others. but to answer your question.. anyone born into this world is subject to temptation, then you have to make a choice.

 

[Plaidback]

your silly redundant posts regarding belief this and that are pointless and useless to this topic and many others. but to answer your question.. anyone born into this world is subject to temptation, then you have to make a choice.

It would be sweet if you volunteer some examples of my words, in order Not to make your criticism pointless and useless to that topic.
Anyone born into this world is subject to anything they are predestined to be subject to.
What is behind choices you've made is not yours / anybodys. Which makes our
worries about future choices, obsolete .
It is very fine line between state of mind that recognizes free will as a MO,
Or state of mind who's Modus Operandi is destiny.
You are too emotional, and you believe Satan Exist, that's all, no biggie.

 

[Bandit]

You are too emotional, and you believe Satan Exist, that's all, no biggie.

because you choose to believe satan does not exist, does not mean that he does not exist. it is just your belief that he does not exist that has you BELIEVE he does not exist (that is a belief)..that's right Mr Plaidback.
you cannot tell someone who has met satan, that he does not exist, then you undermine someones experience as not a valid belief. emotion has nothing to do with that.

 

[Bandit]

remember when jesus went out and was tempted by satan. he took him to a high place and showed him all nations and said ill give you all this if you bow down to me. of course he told satan to go away, but the antichrist will take this offer and will make a deal with the devil.. that power gained will enable him to fool many.

that is kind of what i think also. there is a lot to it that i think we will just have to wait & not worry too much about it.

 

[Plaidback]

because you choose to believe satan does not exist, does not mean that he does not exist. it is just your belief that he does not exist that has you BELIEVE he does not exist (that is a belief)..that's right Mr Plaidback.
you cannot tell someone who has met satan, that he does not exist, then you undermine someones experience as not a valid belief. emotion has nothing to do with that.

OK, Bandit, here I'll make it easier for you to understand.
For me, in my state of mind, Satan DOES NOT Exist.
For me, Satan is Belief itself, Imagination of "good" and "evil"
For me, everything is God created, therefore everything is Good.
And again, I know what I need to know, and what I know is truth.
If you said Satan exist, proove it, burden of proof is on You.
If you do not believe God created Everything, and is Everything, then I
rest my case, and let you and Satan have fun.
I know what I want exactly, and exactly what I don't need.
And I realy don't need you to tell me what I feel. You feel me ?
You said yourself, you have beliefs, why do I have to be like you ?

 

[Bandit]

OK, Bandit, here I'll make it easier for you to understand.
For me, in my state of mind, Satan DOES NOT Exist.
For me, Satan is Belief itself, Imagination of "good" and "evil"
For me, everything is God created, therefore everything is Good.
And again, I know what I need to know, and what I know is truth.
If you said Satan exist, proove it, burden of proof is on You.
If you do not believe God created Everything, and is Everything, then I
rest my case, and let you and Satan have fun.
I know what I want exactly, and exactly what I don't need.
And I realy don't need you to tell me what I feel. You feel me ?
You said yourself, you have beliefs, why do I have to be like you ?

you dont have to be like me.
we disagree here, not everything is good. not everyone is peaceful & good.
it is all good & there is no hate?- is only your imagination. feel me?
so what others believe is only imagination, but only what Plaidback believes is reality. yes?

atheist believes there is no God- it is only his imagination.
in your belief satan does not exist, you prove satan does not exist.
it is only your imagination satan does not exist.

so why do i have to believe like you? pfft

 

[stevemb88]

OK, Bandit, here I'll make it easier for you to understand.
For me, in my state of mind, Satan DOES NOT Exist.
For me, Satan is Belief itself, Imagination of "good" and "evil"
For me, everything is God created, therefore everything is Good.
And again, I know what I need to know, and what I know is truth.
If you said Satan exist, proove it, burden of proof is on You.
If you do not believe God created Everything, and is Everything, then I
rest my case, and let you and Satan have fun.
I know what I want exactly, and exactly what I don't need.
And I realy don't need you to tell me what I feel. You feel me ?
You said yourself, you have beliefs, why do I have to be like you ?

Hey Plaidback, take it easy in here no one is persecuting you, people are just trying to state that there are other beliefs other than yours out there.

Anyways, people don't have proof of Satan for the same reason no one has real proof of God, no one that has ever been universaly trusted by everyone has met either... we use faith and belief.

We are all friends in here right?

 

[iBrian]

Remember this is a forum for discussing issues about religion, not for telling other people what beliefs they should and should have, Plaidback.

 

[Faithfulservant]

I have to disagree plaid.. Ive experienced Satan.. and it was definitely the antithesis of Good. There is evil in this world... its sole purpose is to destroy the Good that God created.

 

[Plaidback]

Remember this is a forum for discussing issues about religion, not for telling other people what beliefs they should and should have, Plaidback.

I am discussing issues about Reality which, among other things contains
religion. I am very aware of what is " Organized religion ", my wife is
" Jehovas witness ".
I have never, on this forum tell anyone what beliefs they should or shouldn't have, never. If you have belief I did, please feel free to show everyone here,
where was plaidback telling someone what to think or do.
I have displayed what I feel, and know, which is the fact that do not Qualify
my statements as Beliefs.
Why don't you instead check the way, character that call himself Bandit,
( which is in my book, appropriate to what He does here ) relentlessly trying
to find way to call my statement a Belief, instead of to try to communicate, like other people do here.

much respect !

 

[Plaidback]

I have to disagree plaid.. Ive experienced Satan.. and it was definitely the antithesis of Good. There is evil in this world... its sole purpose is to destroy the Good that God created.

You have absolute right to disagree with me, dear Faithfulservant, first book
of Torah, book of Job have showed us Experience of Satan, that is hard to match.
But then, there is other thing, inevitable prophecies, that showing us where are we right now. And I feel ( which is what I see, and know, not Believe )
we are in Revelation 20.
Where, in Rev. 20:1-3, John have vision of an Angel with the Key ( that Jesus
promised/prophecized in Matt.16:17,18,19 ), that is going to " Lock " (or however you want to feel lock) Satan for "thousand years"/"one day", Right before that day of God happend, in Joel 2:31-32
Beginning of that day of God, for those who are chosen to call His name when it happend, have already started, it's just that, pretty soon everyone else on the planet would be aware of it.
You have experience something truly bad, truogh certain scenario that was wastly accepted as " Evil ".
When you manage to understand,( or what I like to refer as " feel " ) that
infact God created Everything including " evil ", because we, people, live,
feel, and die one way or another, you might see dimension of destiny, one are
destined to live, other to die. Natural balance in nature, as part of that nature. And above All, it was written long time ago, so Everything History
( as science ) told us, couldn't happen any other way.
Therefore " evil " ( which spelled backward gives us " live " ) is Good,
it must be, 'cause it's from God.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

everything god creates is good indeed at the moment of its creation; however, we need to first seperate man and angels from all other creations. for man and angels are good in their creation, they choices they are allowed to make on their own is what makes them bad. no, god did not make man and angels like robots. he wants us to love him on our own terms and make our own decisions.

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it" (Matt 7:13, 14)

lucifer made his own decision and there is consequence, evil men make their own decisions and their is consequence, and the antichrists make their own decisions and their is consequence. there is nothing good about being thrown into hell by god.

After Satan sinned, God threw him out of heaven to the earth (Is. 14:12; Ezek. 28:16,17). His final punishment will come shortly after the end of the millennial reign of Christ on the earth. At that time, Satan will be "cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever" (Rev. 20:10).

 

[stevemb88]

Exactly, causality, cause and effect if a man does good then he will reap good if he does bad then he will reap evil, for every choice a consequence.

 

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Plaidback, and welcome to CR!

You seem to have a rather, ummm, unique way of defining some words. What you are going out of your way to not call "Belief," (words like "feel," "understand," "know" etc) are what most people call belief. I have not "seen" God with my human eyes, but I know "He" exists in some form, I have seen things in my life that can not otherwise be explained. But those things are not proof to anyone but me. How would you know if I was a looney? Likewise, how can I know about you?

Therefore " evil " ( which spelled backward gives us " live " ) is Good,
it must be, 'cause it's from God.

I have seen you suggest things like this elsewhere, perhaps earlier in this thread? That there is no such thing as evil because God created all...

If so, then there is no such thing as sin. If there is no such thing as sin, there is no need for religion. If there is no need for religion, there is no need for morality. If there is no need for morality, there is no need for God.

So go ahead, rape, pillage, plunder...it's all good.

Not.

 

[Plaidback]

Kindest Regards, Plaidback, and welcome to CR!

Thank you, very kind of you

You seem to have a rather, ummm, unique way of defining some words. What you are going out of your way to not call "Belief," (words like "feel," "understand," "know" etc) are what most people call belief.

Most of people have their own way of defining words, that is what makes us
Unique, unlike waste majority of organized religion believers.
Are you trying to tell me that "I know" and "I feel" is same as "I believe" ?
So, my life, who I am, my parents, my child, everything I know and have experienced is actualy my belief ?
I can not exist, without believing, is that what it is.
Have you ever heard of concept called truth ?

I have not "seen" God with my human eyes, but I know "He" exists in some form, I have seen things in my life that can not otherwise be explained. But those things are not proof to anyone but me. How would you know if I was a looney? Likewise, how can I know about you?

Have you ever heard concept of God ( one and only ) being alfa & omega,
beginning and the end, creator of Everything ( I am not sure, can I stress
enough meaning of " Everything " ), Living God ( I guess we're clear on
" Living " ) He gave you life from beginning to an end, your mother gave you
birth. So He is you, as long you're alive, and same way everyone else.
And there is our Spirit, that is Unique, unless is Holy .
Do you know who are we, to judge eachother ?
All you need to know about me, are words that I wrote,
who cares what I am .

I have seen you suggest things like this elsewhere, perhaps earlier in this thread? That there is no such thing as evil because God created all...

Why don't you tell us who created everything ? There is more than one creator ??
What can that "Satan" create, besides an Belief ??

If so, then there is no such thing as sin. If there is no such thing as sin, there is no need for religion. If there is no need for religion, there is no need for morality. If there is no need for morality, there is no need for God.

So go ahead, rape, pillage, plunder...it's all good.

Not.

Answer to this statements, is that you still don't understand that God is
Everything . If our lives are our creation, than Torah and NT are Lies.

 

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Plaidback!

Most of people have their own way of defining words, that is what makes us Unique

As a poet, I can agree to an extent. That is what makes English a living language, the stretching of definitions of words. But even a poet does not change a word's definition in a wholesale manner as you do with the word "belief."

As a scholar I am also very aware of the necessity to have some standard of meaning, a common understanding, applied to words. Otherwise, what you say and what I hear may be two very different things, which is not very conducive to meaningful discussion.

Are you trying to tell me that "I know" and "I feel" is same as "I believe" ?

No. It seems to me you are. If this is not so, please explain using words having common definitions and mutual understanding between us.

Have you ever heard of concept called truth ?

Have you? The burden of proof is on you here, not me.

Have you ever heard concept of God ( one and only ) being alfa & omega,
beginning and the end, creator of Everything ( I am not sure, can I stress
enough meaning of " Everything " )

It is written, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

So, who am I to believe; you, or God? Are you calling God a liar by saying that evil cannot exist because God created evil? Or are you once again abandoning established understanding and suggesting that evil is not really evil because God created it?

So He is you, as long you're alive, and same way everyone else.
And there is our Spirit, that is Unique, unless is Holy .

This may be your belief, and you are welcome to it. I do not agree.

Do you know who are we, to judge eachother ?

Do you?

Why don't you tell us who created everything ?

I don't need to. I just finished letting the prophet Isaiah speak for me, verse 45:7 as a reminder.

What can that "Satan" create, besides an Belief ??

Illusion. But then, that's just my belief.

Answer to this statements, is that you still don't understand that God is
Everything . If our lives are our creation, than Torah and NT are Lies.

Your argument here is skewed. I do not even begin to see what you are driving at, and I have looked at every angle I can think of. What bearing does this have on anything to do with reality? We do not create ourselves. I believe God creates each of us. Yet not all of us are good. In fact, Christian tradition is that none of us is good by our own merits, "God within" or not. So, whether I understand that God is everything is irrelevent. It has nothing to do with my walk with God in this life in this place at this time. Nor does it have anything at all to do with where I end up when my sojourn here is finished.

Rather, it seems to me you are judging me and others here. Which means you still don't understand.

I do not in any way wish to seem provocative. The simple truth is that I do not understand your point of view. If you choose to redefine words at whim in order to satisfy your own ego, that is OK within your own personal domain. Whatever floats your boat. Just don't expect anyone else to understand, and you cannot in reality be upset with them if they do not understand, when your definitions are not common usage and you do not take the time to clarify what you mean. And for a word as simple, well defined and long-standing as "belief"...well...you just can't expect the people of the world to change their understanding to suit your personal whim.

 

[juantoo3]

We do not create ourselves.

I feel the need to clarify this. We do not create ourselves in the sense of sperm and egg, our initial material expression. That is God's gift to us. After we are born, and particularly after we come of age, we do in fact create ourselves. We choose, on a daily basis, who and what we will be. That is our gift to God.

And the act of creating ourselves in no way negates the Torah or the NT. I would suggest that these sacred books of wisdom, and others, are what are given to us to guide us in our creation of ourselves. Beautiful paradox!

 

[stevemb88]

I sense some hostility in here, i think its getting pretty heated . Anyways...

All you need to know about me, are words that I wrote,
who cares what I am .

I actually think that the words that you write down on this page are the core of who you are; your beliefs and your thoughts are all you really have in the end, besides having God on your team! I think that what you write in this forum is an ultimate form of expression, not hindered by your "outside life" (your family life, work, any issues you may have).