Creation Myths and Interesting Patterns

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As a cultural anthropologist, I've read creation myths from all over the world. I see some interesting patterns, and thought I'd share a selection of creation myths from various indigenous peoples. We probably all know the creation myth of Genesis and perhaps a couple others, and it's very interesting to compare them all. As an aside, I mean "myth" in the academic sense- a sacred narrative believed to be true by the people who tell it. Saying these creation stories are myths is saying they are sacred to somebody, not that they are false. So, any thoughts on patterns you've seen in creation myths from around the world? What similarities have you seen? Why do you think there are striking similarities (and there's no "right" answer for me to this question- I welcome atheists and scientifically-minded folks to jump in with psychology and human cognition as much as I welcome religious/spiritual folks to offer their opinions)?

Aztec (Central America):
"The world before had existed not once, but four times, and these were the Ages of the Suns. Water, earth, wind, and fire each had their reign. Each ended in disaster. The first people were formed of ashes, and when the water came they were carried away and made into fishes. In the next sun there were giants, and tigers waited for dark to devour them. The giants were weak despite their size and warned one another: do not fall. But they fell, and when they fell, they fell forever. During the third sun, the rain was made of fire, and all burned. The fourth sun was the wind, and swept everything away. The people became monkeys and fled to the mountains. Now it is the fifth sun. New people are created from the remains of the old. Quetzalcoatl will restore them, and feed them maize."

Basseri (Central Africa):
"We have always been on this land; we were created from its dust."

Hmong (E. Asia):
"Four gods hold up the corners of the world and are responsible for creation. Long ago they sent a flood, and waters covered all the earth. Into a wooden barrel were placed a boy and a girl, who were sent by the Lord of the Sky to populate the earth. When the waters receded, they stepped out of their barrel and saw they were alone in the world. When their baby was born, it looked like an egg, smooth and oval. The boy and girl cut the egg into pieces, and scattered it over the land. Each piece grew into new people, until all the clans of the Hmong were born, and the earth was full of people."

Kaluli (Papua New Guinea):
"When the land came into form there were no trees, no animals, no streams, no food. But there were people covering the earth. The people had no food, and so they were hungry. They had no homes, and so they were cold. One stood up and gathered all the people together. He told one group to be trees, and they became trees. In this same way, there came to be fish, bannana, sago, and finally all the plants and animals, rivers and hills, were there. The few who were left became the human beings."

Kapauku (Indonesia):
"Ugatame designed the universe and is of two natures, male and female, like the sun and the moon are two. Sun is light and warm and like a ball of fire. Moon is cool like the light of a firefly. But the sun and moon are not Ugatame; they are proof that there is Ugatame... Above the bowl [of the sky] is another world, and it may look like this one. It is Ugatame's home."

Nuer (Central Africa):
"Kwoth is everywhere. He is like wind, he is like air. He falls in teh rain and roars in the thunder. The rainbow is his necklace. We are like little ants in his sight. In the beginning there was a tamarind tree in the western land. Her name was Lic, and she was the mother. Kwoth created us to drop from her branches like ripened fruit. In the beginning we were as the fruit from a tamarind tree."

Continued in the next post...
 
Ojibwa (NE US/SE Canada):
"Long before the world began, there was Gitchimanito, the Great Spirit. He made wind and water, fire and rock; he made the sun and stars and Earth. To the Earth he gave tall trees and gree plants. He created animals that ran on four legs, animals that flew, animals that swam and, last, he created the people. Gitchimanito arranged all he created by the four sacred directions- north, south, west, and east- and then two more: the sky above, and the earth below. Not long after, the seas flooded the earth, and the animals tried to find it again, to no avail. One after the other, they searched beneath the seas, until finally the muskrat scraped a pawful of soil from the submerged earth, and from that scrap the world was recreated. Gitchimanito envisioned a purpose for the spirit of all he created. Trees would grow large and give shade and protection. Plants would flourish and give food and medicine. Animals would be bountiful and their lives offered up as food and clothing for the people. But all this goodness would be recognized and appreciated by the people whose benefit it would serve. Nothing would be sacrificed without praise and thanks and a token of appreciation."

Tiwi (Australia):
"In the beginning the earth was flat, and dark, and silent. No hills or valleys, no trees or rivers. No birds called; no sun shone. Out of the ground rose and old, old woman. She was blind, and in her arms she carried three babies: two girls and one boy. Across the land she crawled, clutching her children, and in the furrows left by her knees fresh water bubbled up. She turned westward and formed the shores. She crawled farther and created the ports... Before she crawled away- we do not know where- she turned back to create green on the bare land, and animals. Because here she was leaving her children, and her children must have food."

** Taken from "Culture Sketches" **
 
Hello, and Peace to Everyone--

Dear path_of_one (I do not use the term "dear" loosely in CR),

Thank you for this. I suspect it took a great deal of consideration (and some courage) on your part to decide if, when, and where to introduce the material here, and I appreciate the thought that went into it.

I believe I may have something to add here a little later on. Not sure yet, but it looks very promising and very authentic. It is very personal and I have to make sure that posting it would be the right thing to do.

My intention is not to sound cryptic, but only to tell you I am amazed and hopeful.

Mostly, I just wanted to respond in some way for now, if for no other reason than to thank you.

InPeace,
InLove
 
Hello Path of One,

I had very strong arguments with Muslims when I dared say the creation of man from clay was an age-old myth and was totally unscientific.
I understood "myth" as a symbolic story to express a religious truth.
 
I'd love to hear yoour reflections on cross-cultural patterns, Path, or that of others as well. In the meantime, perhaps i'll add 1 to the collection, from a story by 12th c.e Iranian philosopher, Suhrawardi:

"The first creature is a being of light, named insight or mind, (Greeks referred to this "mind" as nous which meant originally 'the return'). This being (of return) is endowed by the Most High with three properties: knowledge of God, knowledge of itself and knowledge of its transience-that first it was not and then it began to be. By the property of knowing God, beauty arose. By the property of knowing itself, love arose. And by the property of knowing that it had not been before it came to be, sadness or nostalgia arose.

These three-beauty, love, and sadness-having the same origin, are brothers. Beauty, the oldest, contemplated himself. He had a vision of himself as the supreme good. Thus joy was born in him. He smiled and millions of angels came into being from his smile.

Love, the middle child, was the bosom companion of Beauty. He could not look away. He was filled with a dizzy madness. He was distraught. But Sadness, the youngest brother clung to him. And from this attendant sadness embracing Love, the world, heaven and earth, arose."

Take care, Earl
 
mansio said:
I had very strong arguments with Muslims when I dared say the creation of man from clay was an age-old myth and was totally unscientific.
I understood "myth" as a symbolic story to express a religious truth.
so now we should just listen to scientific theories & the myths scientists create as if it is impossible for God to form a man from clay.
 
Hello Path,

i do not see any comparison in these stories to the story given in Genises & that is also carried through out the rest of the bible.

Myth also implies fiction, something not true & a falsehood.

Thank you for sharing them as they are interesting, but you know I will be sticking to the creation story found in Genesis & that it is not a myth.:)

Will the true creation story please stand up-
In the beginning God created...

so that pretty much leaves me out of the discussion from here but thanks for having me.:)
 
Actually, at least via the Jungian use of the term "myth," it is not synonymous with "falsehood." Rather they use the term to imply something that expresses a truth too deep or inchoate to encompass factually. It seems that almost all creation myths attempt to in some way express the whys if not hows of creation-oerhaps the biggest mystery being creation ex nihlio-does 1 get "something from nothing?" Buddhists of course disbelieve in such a thing-what they might refer to as a "Creator God." But look at creativity in more mundane sense and you'll see a "little speck" of ex nihlio in that too. Sure we can speak of how one's knowledge and interests are all material of the creation process. Buddhists who have done fine-grained analysis of mindfulness can detect each microsecond of mind movement right to the "point of creation" within an individual-the "intent." What "exists" prior to intent? Lovely little indeterminant, indefinable "ex nihlio" moment in space/time contained within the equally indeterminant, indefinable "thing" we like to call our "self." Perhaps origin of the "inspiration" a bit deeper, thoough. Word "inspiration," of course, relating etymologically to being infused with "spirit."

Beginnings and endings of anything only have possible applicability to ordinary conventional reality of space-time. Here's a myth for you" what if the "ex nihlio" origination point for anything was in a non-spatial, timeless "realm?" Perhaps "eternal" is not simply an unimaginably long time, nor infinite an unimaginable large space, but timeless and non-spatial. What if the "big Bang" of creation represented the "out-breath of God" and the "end Times," the in-breath?" Maybe what sounds linear will be/has been 1 of many "respiratory cycles."

Buddhism speaks of "bardos" as transitional times in consciousness-going from sleep to awake, life to death, etc. But they also speak of literally with eack respiratory cycle we humans go through mini-bardos of sustaining/recreating our sense of ourselves and how with each breath we have the opportunity to alter those views-to go through a dissolution-recreaction cycle at least psychospiritually. We have the opportunity with each in-breath to be inspired. Hope to get alot of inspiration before expiration!:p Take care, Earl
 
I had very strong arguments with Muslims when I dared say the creation of man from clay was an age-old myth and was totally unscientific.
Well if U like to go deep into it ,

23-12 And we have ceated man from an extract of clay

71-17 And Allâh has brought you forth from the (dust of) earth.

now,

23-12 clearly says that man has been created from "extract of clay".

71-17 has been translated differently by different people , but if U see the arabic words , Allah uses the word "aradha nabata" , meaning land/clay/dust of plantation . Now the question arises, what is the land/dust of plantation ? Well in modern terms , the land/dust of plantation is called Humus , that is rich in organic compounds .

Now what is the difference b/w land/dust & land/dust of plantation . On a chemical level , clay is chiefly silicon , while humus is chiefly Carbon , the basic constituent of life .

So Allah made Humans from organic compounds in clay , Allah also made man from extract of clay , that contains a lot of non-organic compounds/elements , like calcium , iron ,sodium , potassium etc . Where does all these elements come from ? obviously....clay/earth . So it can be said that Allah made Adam from clay . Thats what Allah says in different verses of Quran , & in these verses he explains too .

In some other verses ( that I dont remember at the moment ) , the words decomposing/rotting clay & wet rotting clay are also used , implying the use of organic compounds & water .

So if u like to think deep , there are no contradictions here .
 
Kindest Regards, farhan, welcome to CR!

I like what you say here about clay. I seem to recall Adam means something like "man of red earth" or "man of red clay." I also recall reading somewhere the properties of clay, and how it contains the rudiments of life. (Of course, this was being used to describe abiogenesis, the formation of life from non-living matter.) So I do think it significant, as well as scientifically valid, that clay holds the constituents for life. Kind of a left-flank compliment from the scientific community... :)
 
farhan said:
Well if U like to go deep into it ,

23-12 And we have ceated man from an extract of clay

71-17 And Allâh has brought you forth from the (dust of) earth.

now,

23-12 clearly says that man has been created from "extract of clay".

71-17 has been translated differently by different people , but if U see the arabic words , Allah uses the word "aradha nabata" , meaning land/clay/dust of plantation . Now the question arises, what is the land/dust of plantation ? Well in modern terms , the land/dust of plantation is called Humus , that is rich in organic compounds .

Now what is the difference b/w land/dust & land/dust of plantation . On a chemical level , clay is chiefly silicon , while humus is chiefly Carbon , the basic constituent of life .

So Allah made Humans from organic compounds in clay , Allah also made man from extract of clay , that contains a lot of non-organic compounds/elements , like calcium , iron ,sodium , potassium etc . Where does all these elements come from ? obviously....clay/earth . So it can be said that Allah made Adam from clay . Thats what Allah says in different verses of Quran , & in these verses he explains too .

In some other verses ( that I dont remember at the moment ) , the words decomposing/rotting clay & wet rotting clay are also used , implying the use of organic compounds & water .

So if u like to think deep , there are no contradictions here .
right. the Word of the Lord does not lie. the shovel digs our grave, the plow turns the soil to plant our food & the spoon puts the vitamin & metals & 'dirt' into our mouth. it ALL comes from the ground;)
there is no contradiction:)
 
Farhan

"Arada nabata" doesn't mean anything in Arabic. But the whole sentence makes sense : Wa-llâhu anbatakum mina l-ardi nabâtan.
(And) God made you grow from the earth as growings (plants).

Now what is all that talking with clay when, according to science, man slowly emerged from an ape-like biped about 150000 or 200000 years ago ?
 
Bandit said:
Hello Path,

i do not see any comparison in these stories to the story given in Genises & that is also carried through out the rest of the bible.

Myth also implies fiction, something not true & a falsehood.

Thank you for sharing them as they are interesting, but you know I will be sticking to the creation story found in Genesis & that it is not a myth.:)

Will the true creation story please stand up-
In the beginning God created...

so that pretty much leaves me out of the discussion from here but thanks for having me.:)

I believe it is unwise to disregard other orders, without doing considerable investigation in them. Look at is this way. If you are only following the order you were born into, you are cutting yourself short. You could have been born into another order and follow it just as passionatley.
 
Hello, all-

I thought I'd follow up to my own post. Personally, I see some common themes in many creation/origin myths including those in Genesis.

1. Of course, the theme of a creator or group of creators. The assumption of a higher-than-human spiritual being with powers of creation.
2. Generally, humans are created last of all the living and non-living elements of earth. Frequently, creation myths have an evolutionary trend in which animals or other elements later become human and then eventually the humans and animals cannot communicate through speech any longer.
3. Many myths feature clay, dust, or earth as the foundational substance from which humans are created.
4. Many myths feature a great flood or, less commonly, another great catastrophic event, in which much of the earth is destroyed and very few humans survive.
5. Humans are generally portrayed as functioning as stewards of the earth and responsible for being respectful in their use of the other elements of creation.
6. Many myths posit multiple creation events that didn't work out for some reason and were destroyed somehow- the concept of separate ages of the earth.

Just a few observations. I particularly find references to flooding interesting, though I do not as a scientist take this necessarily as evidence of a single world-wide catastrophic flood.
 
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