Christ's Kingdom?

[Postmaster]

It is said and even by Jesus Christ himself that his purpose was to teach truth. There is know doubt about Christ's divinity, even after his existence we still see and read about miracles that come with the Christian faith.

What I can't understand is, there are Muslims and Jews that do not follow this mans teachings and even massive amounts of eastern religious people that do not even believe in the existence of God or a spiritual after life.

Maybe the kingdom that Christians enter after life is Christs? and he is the king of it? Also what did Jesus actually mean by calling himself a king? The bible says he was a descendant of King David, could he have meant it literally? Or is it purely spiritual?

 

[tommy]

Jesus is the King of Heaven. Referring to the transfiguration, Peter wrote: "Consequently we have the prophetic word made even more sure; and you are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and a daystar rises, in your hearts" 2 Peter 1:19.

Jesus rose when God's Kingdom was born in Heaven, marking the dawn of a new era. Rev 11:15. The transfiguration vision with Moses and Elijah conversing with Jesus gives us a glimpse of the rulership in Heaven and that faithful servents like Moses and Elijah and the 144,000 will share as priests and rulers under Jesus.

We also learn from Daniel 7: 13, 14,27 that Daniel saw "someone like a son of man" receiving "an indefinitely lasting rulership" from, "the ancient of days (God)". "The kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One".

More than five centuries before the transfiguration, God revealed that certain "holy ones" would share in Christ's royal grandeur. Jesus is now more powerful then a King. He is portrayed as riding on a horse, a biblical symbol of warfare. Proverbs 21:31. Jesus' first victory was over his most powerful foes, Satan and the demons, which he expelled from Heaven and hurled them out, we read in Revelations. This woe is symbolized by the ride of three horseman, Rev 6:3-8, 12: 7-12

In line with Jesus' prophecy concerning "the sign of his presence and of the conclusion of the system of things", their ride resulted in warfare, famine and deadly plague Matt 24 3, 7, Luke 21:7-11. Like literal birth pangs, these "pangs of distress" will no doubt continue to intensify until Christ completes his conquest by destroying every vestige of Satan's visible organization" Matt 24:8 Therefore Jesus is KING! Peace tommy

 

[Postmaster]

Thank you Tommy much appreciate that.

 

[mee]

yes the heavenly kingdom is now operating with Jesus as its king and he is on a conquest as a warrior king

In 1914, Jesus—the heavenly warrior Michael—became King of God’s heavenly Kingdom. (Revelation 11:15; 12:7-9)

God exalted [Jesus] to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend."—Philippians 2:9, 10

He proved to be God’s choice for Ruler of that heavenly government over mankind. And after his death, God resurrected Jesus to life in heaven as a powerful, immortal spirit creature.​

Jesus then "sat down at the right hand of God." (Hebrews 10:12) There he awaited the time when God would empower him to take action as King of God’s heavenly Kingdom. This fulfilled the prophecy at Psalm 110:1, where God tells him: "Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.

 

[Quahom1]

yes the heavenly kingdom is now operating with Jesus as its king and he is on a conquest as a warrior king

In 1914, Jesus—the heavenly warrior Michael—became King of God’s heavenly Kingdom. (Revelation 11:15; 12:7-9)

God exalted [Jesus] to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend."—Philippians 2:9, 10

He proved to be God’s choice for Ruler of that heavenly government over mankind. And after his death, God resurrected Jesus to life in heaven as a powerful, immortal spirit creature.​

Jesus then "sat down at the right hand of God." (Hebrews 10:12) There he awaited the time when God would empower him to take action as King of God’s heavenly Kingdom. This fulfilled the prophecy at Psalm 110:1, where God tells him: "Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.

What is in a name? I'm serious. We are named (personal names) for a specific reason. Names tell people who and what we are about.

Michael means "who is like God". Simple as that. Jesus means "God saves".

Michael is like, wherein Jesus is.

In human terms, a Russian "Zim" is like a Mercedez Benz. It is close, It looks like a Benz, but it is not the real McCoy. The Mercedez is the real thing.

Michael the "ArchAngel" is the Chief of Angels, a created being. Jesus is the creator of Michael and all other beings. Jesus was never created.

Genesis and John clearly point out who created the universe and all in it (including Michael, you and me). Jesus did it. To deny Jesus' divinity and deity is to deny Jesus' rightful place in the order of things (at the top), and to deny His Godhood.

That in and of itself is Anti-Christian. Why do I bring it up? You keep sneaking this belief of yours into this Christian forum, as if it were absolute fact, and attempt to brow beat everyone else's thoughts down.

You take your less than 125 year old denomination, and try to shove it down the throats of every other Christian here. You don't share, you don't ask questions, you just preach and prosyletize. You post things that do not come from your own thoughts, but rhetoric that comes from elsewhere.

If we wanted to read the Watch Tower, we can go get it ourselves.

Your concept of Jesus and Christianity is fine, for you. We've heard it and read it. Now stop pushing it.

And come up with some original thoughts, will you? Ask questions, question answers. But stop preaching!

Q

 

[juantoo3]

Kind Regards, mee!

I gotta say, the last couple of posts of yours I looked at sure do not look like an amateur wrote them. You really, really need to understand that we cannot continue to support stolen copyrighted material. The way the law reads, you can legally quote short segments for discussion (which means you comment too, your own original words) provided you properly cite the author and source. If you really must cut and paste, please at least do the right and legal thing and note the author and what volume (month and year) if it is WatchTower you are getting your material from. Or whatever book or magazine, website, wherever. It is only right and fair to give credit where credit is due.

Thank you for your cooperation in this, it is really very important.

Otherwise, you are really stretching the limits. Please do be considerate in this regard, we appreciate your participation.

 

[tommy]

Well, I don't want this thread to end on this note, I thought Postmaster put up a pretty interesting topic here and wanted to expand more on who in my opinion I think Michael the Archangel is and how it relates to Christ's Kingdom who rules in Heaven. Revelations uses a lot of symbolism in its grand climax in the last chapter of the Book. The first Chapter of Revelations says Revelations, is symbolic. Since Revelations mentions Michael, is there any chance that this chapter refers to symbolism and a name that is only mentioned a handful of times (Micheal) might refer to Jesus in this chapter? I would certainly think that Jesus would want to give the final boot out of Heaven to satan, the devil (just my opinion).

The definition of Michael, the name, as the Constable (Q) pointed out, "Who is like God". Think about this one, only Jesus is like God in my opinion. This is important because it is my opinion that the Mighty Jesus would get the satisfaction and liberty of hurling the evil satan devil from Heaven. This also explains a lot in the times we are living in now if Jesus (or perhaps Michael) has hurled Satan out of Heaven and down here to Earth.

Look at the number of wars we have had over the last 100 years and how times are getting worse, not better. Michael, the Archangel comes up in Revelation 12:7 that uses symbolism and refers to Jesus in several different references (Mighty One, Lamp of God, Son of Man and so fourth) in addition to Jesus' name. Daniel Chapter 12:1 ties to the OT reference to Michael (the Archangel) as the "Great Prince" and most religions will not recognize the symbolism that Jesus, "Prince of Princes", how a large religion refers to Jesus in song, may actually be the Archangel Michael. To me Jesus is the great Prince and I give him credit for beating Satan in the war in the Heavens.

Doesn't it seem like Revelations is playing itself out with the wars, famine and the crest of the great plague we might be upon?

I may not be correct, but I sure would love to see a peaceful debate that can convince me that Jesus is not the one who hurled Satan out of Heaven down to Earth here before the great tribulation occurs. Peace and have a sunny warm July day, whereever you may be, tommy

 

[mee]

What is in a name? I'm serious. We are named (personal names) for a specific reason. Names tell people who and what we are about.

Michael means "who is like God". Simple as that. Jesus means "God saves".

Michael is like, wherein Jesus is.

In human terms, a Russian "Zim" is like a Mercedez Benz. It is close, It looks like a Benz, but it is not the real McCoy. The Mercedez is the real thing.

Michael the "ArchAngel" is the Chief of Angels, a created being. Jesus is the creator of Michael and all other beings. Jesus was never created.

Genesis and John clearly point out who created the universe and all in it (including Michael, you and me). Jesus did it. To deny Jesus' divinity and deity is to deny Jesus' rightful place in the order of things (at the top), and to deny His Godhood.

That in and of itself is Anti-Christian. Why do I bring it up? You keep sneaking this belief of yours into this Christian forum, as if it were absolute fact, and attempt to brow beat everyone else's thoughts down.

You take your less than 125 year old denomination, and try to shove it down the throats of every other Christian here. You don't share, you don't ask questions, you just preach and prosyletize. You post things that do not come from your own thoughts, but rhetoric that comes from elsewhere.

If we wanted to read the Watch Tower, we can go get it ourselves.

Your concept of Jesus and Christianity is fine, for you. We've heard it and read it. Now stop pushing it.

And come up with some original thoughts, will you? Ask questions, question answers. But stop preaching!

Q

so which concept of christianity would be ok ,the one that is not my belief? i am only interested in truth, as all true christians should be ,i am not ashamed to make known the truth Jesus is king of Gods kingdom does this fact disturb you ,not sure why ?i learn many things as one who takes in accurate knowledge from my going to the meetings of JW as do the over 6 million others in the world ,dont know why you keep bringing the watchtower up i am quoting scripture whats wrong with that , others quote scripture on here , just because it does not follow the same beliefs as others ,does that mean i should keep silent about it .yes i have heard other concepts of christianity do i tell others to not make posts about it?i only put over what i believe as a JW and that is in line with the bible ,and that belief is that Jesus is a king of Gods kingdom since 1914 in the heavens ,i think it is a well known fact that all JW are in unity of thought on this so do you think jesus was made king in the heavenly kingdom in 1914 ?

 

[mee]

Kind Regards, mee!

I gotta say, the last couple of posts of yours I looked at sure do not look like an amateur wrote them. You really, really need to understand that we cannot continue to support stolen copyrighted material. The way the law reads, you can legally quote short segments for discussion (which means you comment too, your own original words) provided you properly cite the author and source. If you really must cut and paste, please at least do the right and legal thing and note the author and what volume (month and year) if it is WatchTower you are getting your material from. Or whatever book or magazine, website, wherever. It is only right and fair to give credit where credit is due.

Thank you for your cooperation in this, it is really very important.

Otherwise, you are really stretching the limits. Please do be considerate in this regard, we appreciate your participation.

the scriptures that i am using are from the New world translation as i feel that this translation is the one i like to use , and yes ,it is translated by JW because according to my personal beliefs they are a very good bible publishing companyand all of the credit goes to JW as it is my personal belief that Jehovah God is working through that channel .that is my belief and all of the credit goes to Jehovah God.because he reveals things to those who are faithful to him .so getting back to the kingdom i like this scripture that is telling about the birth of the kingdom in the heavens
"And a great sign was seen in heaven, a woman . . . And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is destined to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was caught away to God and to his throne."—Rev. 12:1, 5 yes this male child is the kingdom that was born in 1914 some say that the male child is jesus ,but remember the book of revelation is for our day , not the time when jesus was born on the earth .so Jesus is the king of this new born kingdom. and it has Allmighty GodJehovahs protection , that is why it is caught away to God nothink can harm that kingdom because it is caught away to God

 

[Quahom1]

so which concept of christianity would be ok ,the one that is not my belief? i am only interested in truth, as all true christians should be ,i am not ashamed to make known the truth Jesus is king of Gods kingdom does this fact disturb you ,not sure why ?i learn many things as one who takes in accurate knowledge from my going to the meetings of JW as do the over 6 million others in the world ,dont know why you keep bringing the watchtower up i am quoting scripture whats wrong with that , others quote scripture on here , just because it does not follow the same beliefs as others ,does that mean i should keep silent about it .yes i have heard other concepts of christianity do i tell others to not make posts about it?i only put over what i believe as a JW and that is in line with the bible ,and that belief is that Jesus is a king of Gods kingdom since 1914 in the heavens ,i think it is a well known fact that all JW are in unity of thought on this so do you think jesus was made king in the heavenly kingdom in 1914 ?

I don't mind your faith at all. I just have a problem with the cut and paste of material in excess, that is not from your own mind. Seems the only time you write personal thoughts here is when I tick you off, and that is not good either.

As far as Jesus being made King of Heaven in 1914...I think you're off by about, infinity. Or perhaps the "Prince of Peace" has not been made King yet, until all prophecy is fulfilled, including those found in Revelation, and in the Apocrypha. Or who knows, maybe it all culminated in 1914.

v/r

Q

 

[mee]

I don't mind your faith at all. I just have a problem with the cut and paste of material in excess, that is not from your own mind. Seems the only time you write personal thoughts here is when I tick you off, and that is not good either.

As far as Jesus being made King of Heaven in 1914...I think you're off by about, infinity. Or perhaps the "Prince of Peace" has not been made King yet, until all prophecy is fulfilled, including those found in Revelation, and in the Apocrypha. Or who knows, maybe it all culminated in 1914.

v/r

Q

its a good job that i do not put over my own thoughts if i did then i would not be in line with scripture ,Jehovah is revealing the truth through a channel in these last days ,and it is always the way to gain accurate knowledge by looking to that channel ,of coarse i realize that others in general do not recogonize that channel ,but i most certainly do ,and it is my belief that Jesus as king in the heavens is working through and directing that channel...matt 24;45-47as far as i am concerned this channel is giving out spiritual food at the proper time inline with fullfillment of prophecy .yes jesus was made king in the heavenly kingdom goverment in 1914 because it fullfills biblical prophecy
Can there be any question that the heavenly kingdom of God by means of his anointed one or Messiah, Christ, was born and came to power at the end of the Gentile Times in early autumn of 1914? The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever. (Rev. 11:15) yes this year of 1914 marked the start of Jesus invisible presence, so those who think Jesus will come visibly will have a long wait as he is already ruling .yes ,he has already turned his attention to the earth even thou it is full of his enemies as psalm 110;1-2 fortells it would be.yes his strength comes from the Jerusalem abovedown toward the earth

 

[Proph 1]

The JHW's having been making predictions of prophecies that never once came true. Why are they still around?

 

[Bandit]

The JHW's having been making predictions of prophecies that never once came true. Why are they still around?

be nice everyone gets to speak w/o being judged. maybe God wants them to still be around?

welcome to CR Proph1
& have fun.

 

[mee]

The JHW's having been making predictions of prophecies that never once came true. Why are they still around?

bible prophecy always comes true even if it is not the way we sometimes think it will happen. yes according to the bible , the one (JESUS)Whohas the legal rightof kingship, was made king of Gods kingdom in the heavens at the end of the Gentile times right on time , just as Jehovahs people said . they have always looked to the year 1914 because it is a very importantyear in bible chronology. make no mistake about it, just because it is not visible does not mean it hasnt happened. we are now in the last days of man ruling himself ,we are now seeing all of the signs that jesus said would we happening on the earth in these last days. yes Jesus has cast satan out of the heavens and my goodness me it certainly is wow for the earth , because satan has great anger knowing he has a short period of time left before he is put out the way, when he is prevented from coarsing trouble.
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.( 2 timothy 3; 1 )

(2 Peter 3:3) For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires

Jehovah has given rulership over mankind to his own Son, Jesus Christ, glorified in the heavens.—Dan. 7:13, 14.

 

[tommy]

As I have stated in previous post, i do not defend any one sect where man is involved, only what is stated in the Bible. Therefore, I will say that the prediction of the end of the world in 1914 was a mistake by the JW's as well as other dates predicting the end of the world. It is not up to man to find out when this will occur.

However, 1914 was coming up as a significant date through UK periodicals as early as 1822. I don't have the material with me right now in my car but could quote this info later. This date of 1914 being the beginning of WW1 did mark when nation went against nation, which could respresent when Michael, the Archangel drove Satan out of Heaven and down to Earth.

I kept of list over a three year period comparing what was wrong with both JW's (no Mothers day, Fathers day and predicting the end of the world topped the list). I compared this list to the billion dollar molestation problem and the authority of men leaders and ties to government which has swayed me to realize the 1914 issue wasn't as big as the the other issues I saw where man has taken worship that belonged to God.

I will say that when I see a post like Proph1, that lacks the Christian brotherly love, it tells me perhaps I'm not on that group. I love the christian brotherly love Bandit portrays in his posts. I went on the big catholic site and put up a few posts a few days ago and most of the threads that were put up after some good stuff I put up look more like Phroph1's response, which has demononstrated to me the perhaps Christ did take over rulership in Heaven when nation went against nation. Peace and love to all, tommy

 

[Proph 1]

Bible prophecy always come true the way the Bible says it will! The JHW's have been making endtime predictions since they came out in the 1800's and not one came true. The Bible says if a prophet speaks a prophecy that is not true, they are not of God, but a false prophet. To be a true Prophet of God you have to be correct 100% of the time!

The JHWs have made many of false prophecies. The sad thing is, most of them in dont even know their own history, and so they follow this cult. Now please dont think Im being mean, Im not! I love these people, and it just hurts me that they blindy follow after a cult, and not the true Jesus. I get so pissed!

Ok, Im venting now. God Bless everyone, and sorry!

 

[tommy]

Bible prophecy always come true the way the Bible says it will! The JHW's have been making endtime predictions since they came out in the 1800's and not one came true. The Bible says if a prophet speaks a prophecy that is not true, they are not of God, but a false prophet. To be a true Prophet of God you have to be correct 100% of the time!

The JHWs have made many of false prophecies. The sad thing is, most of them in dont even know their own history, and so they follow this cult. Now please dont think Im being mean, Im not! I love these people, and it just hurts me that they blindy follow after a cult, and not the true Jesus. I get so pissed!

Ok, Im venting now. God Bless everyone, and sorry!

Hey Proph, welcome to CR. A cult has a leader, like a pope or a father. The JW's have neither. Most of them have read the entire Bible line by line, have you? If you have it talks about Jesus' main commandment which is to love one another like Jesus loved you.

P.S., this is a comparative site where members or all religions compare views even if they don't agree on some subjects. As a new member, attacking another ones faith actually hurts your soul and I would suggest perhaps turning the computer off for a while and thinking what Jesus would want you to do and then gathering the spititual aspects of what you are trying to accomplish, turn the computer back on and then proceding with the posts. Peace and love to you buddy in your spiritual conquests tommy

 

[Proph 1]

Hey Tommy,

Thanks for the Welcome! Just to let you know though. Real love is not just something you say, but something you show. Love is tangable. I say this to make a point, and it is this: Jesus is the very epitomy of love. Yet, the Lord himself was intolerant to relgions, and relgious ways. He was angry that these people, whom he loved and whom he died for, would chose someone, or something other than himself, which is the only way to God (according to him). He loved them and invited them to life. Yet, they said they loved him and chose other ways. He [Jesus] said something that may sound "mean", but the nevertheless LOVED them!

In the sameway I love all of humanity. I say this with no hidden agenda, as God knows my heart, and he knows its true. I may at times say things that sound intolerant, but the truth is, I say it with Love. You'll never see my killing anyone, or forcing anyone to believe what I believe. You might however, see me pleading with people to give their lives to Christ.

Later!

PS: The JWs does have people who they reconize as leaders.

 

[juantoo3]

Kind Regards, Proph 1.

the Lord himself was intolerant to relgions, and relgious ways.

You are confusing two very different meanings of the term "religon." I can see where you could rightly say Jesus was against institutionalized religion. However, since Jesus taught religious precepts and concepts, indeed, a full-blown religion grew out of His teachings, I would tread with caution even in saying that. The second use of the term religion is a very personal application of religious teaching. By that definition, I think you will find that not only was Jesus very much in agreement, He taught! Not only that, those things He taught are mostly in agreement with the other major world faiths. So...perhaps a little tighter hold on the reins is in order, please.

You might however, see me pleading with people to give their lives to Christ.

I would like very much to refer you to the Code of Conduct for this site. There you will see that this will not be tolerated. There is a very good reason for this. In the Christianity section it would be preaching to the choir...so what if you don't like the particular flavor of the moment, be respectful. In the other sections dedicated to other faiths it is not acceptable because those are places for discussing those particular faiths, respectfully, not trying to convert. Proselytizing is also not allowed in the comparative or lounge sections either, or anyplace on this site. If it is a soapbox you desire, please start your own blog somewhere else. We do not deal well with self-proclaimed prophets around here. We find they are not generally very respectful to others. In the end that is the only thing we ask of all participants, to be respectful. If you can do that much you are most welcome to join in.

 

[Proph 1]

Kind Regards, Proph 1.


You are confusing two very different meanings of the term "religon." I can see where you could rightly say Jesus was against institutionalized religion. However, since Jesus taught religious precepts and concepts, indeed, a full-blown religion grew out of His teachings, I would tread with caution even in saying that. The second use of the term religion is a very personal application of religious teaching. By that definition, I think you will find that not only was Jesus very much in agreement, He taught! Not only that, those things He taught are mostly in agreement with the other major world faiths. So...perhaps a little tighter hold on the reins is in order, please.

First, where did Jesus teach Religion? Secondly, please define the word religion so I can tell you why TRUE Christanity isnt one.

I would like very much to refer you to the Code of Conduct for this site. There you will see that this will not be tolerated. There is a very good reason for this. In the Christianity section it would be preaching to the choir...so what if you don't like the particular flavor of the moment, be respectful. In the other sections dedicated to other faiths it is not acceptable because those are places for discussing those particular faiths, respectfully, not trying to convert. Proselytizing is also not allowed in the comparative or lounge sections either, or anyplace on this site. If it is a soapbox you desire, please start your own blog somewhere else. We do not deal well with self-proclaimed prophets around here. We find they are not generally very respectful to others. In the end that is the only thing we ask of all participants, to be respectful. If you can do that much you are most welcome to join in.

Are you saying I cant preach to Christians in a "Chrisitan" Forum?