I am not Muslim, or of any religion for that matter, and I am curious as to how Islam justifies itself to be the true religion of God? There are several religions out there and plenty of them give fairly good explanation as to why theirs is. What makes Islam different? Is there any unique argument to support Islam which isn't used by other religions? I am looking for fairly biased answers, and am only interested in pro-Islam arguments and evidence.
Can I have evidence/proof of Islams divinity?
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Hello , thank you for asking about islam .
Im not a pro on islam but i think you should see some of the predictions and scientific proof , coes you firstly need to know that the Qu'Ran and the books befour it came from God , so you need to beleave that the Qu'Ran was not written by any human without the help of God , and beleave that the Qu'Ran is from God , visit http://www.miraclesofthequran.com .
Im not asking you to beleave in the Qu'Ran and God becouse of the proof above , but to know that the Qu'Ran was from a messenger sent by God .
May God guide you.
Im not a pro on islam but i think you should see some of the predictions and scientific proof , coes you firstly need to know that the Qu'Ran and the books befour it came from God , so you need to beleave that the Qu'Ran was not written by any human without the help of God , and beleave that the Qu'Ran is from God , visit http://www.miraclesofthequran.com .
Im not asking you to beleave in the Qu'Ran and God becouse of the proof above , but to know that the Qu'Ran was from a messenger sent by God .
May God guide you.
hI,
I would suggest that you read the Quran and the Sunnah yourself. Do the research. Understand the message in its entirety and decide for yourself. We can try to help you along the way.
People are complex beings. What appeals to one, may not have the same appeal to another. One thing may catch the eye of one person but not of another. Some may require a life-time to be convinced but some may only need minutes.
And with Allaah lies all guidance.
I would suggest that you read the Quran and the Sunnah yourself. Do the research. Understand the message in its entirety and decide for yourself. We can try to help you along the way.
People are complex beings. What appeals to one, may not have the same appeal to another. One thing may catch the eye of one person but not of another. Some may require a life-time to be convinced but some may only need minutes.
And with Allaah lies all guidance.
I may very well read the Quran, but I most likely will not do it anytime soon as the reason for this is I am currently reading and studying scriptures that belong to 2 other religions, and that takes a while. One is the Bible. The reason for this is because I am looking at their own claims of promotion of their religion, and I have very well heard their promotions as to why it is divine so I knew what to expect and concentrate on specifically when reading. The Quran may or may not satisfy my opinion of its divinity simply by reading it. I may be more knowledgable of it, but there will most likely be things which I miss and think nothing of which may amaze me if given further explanation. Web sites are fine if you have one, but sometimes they use people opinions rather than actual meaning. If all it takes is simply reading to convince somebody, then I have no choice but to assume that until I finally get to reading it. Then I will judge for myself afterwards in that case.
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You have to understand the bible and every book befour the bible is mentioned in the Qu'Ran and we are ordered to beleave that God sent others befour Mohhamed peace be upon him . so im glad your studying the bible and the other one , becouse after you read them then read the Qu'Ran you will see some difrence but youll hopfully see that the Qu'Ran confirmes the others , and look at this verse :
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
like unto thee,
and I will put my words in his mouth;
and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18.
ill make a topic about this verse , ill called it "no name" i hope you see it.
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
like unto thee,
and I will put my words in his mouth;
and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18.
ill make a topic about this verse , ill called it "no name" i hope you see it.
My purpose isn't to argue against Islam, infact like I said I wanted biased answers, and I am curious as to how Muslims prove itself. If I wanted to hear arguments against Islam, then I will most definitly go to that forum, but that isn't what I am looking for.mansio said:
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I think i told you 1 way ... God gave miracles and signs int he Qu'Ran for people and yet they dont beleave , so firstly you have to know or beleave that the Qu'Ran wasent written just like that by a human being without the help of God, so did you look at the siet i gave you?
There are two ways to prove/disprove any religion.
1.If you can prove a particular religion(way of life),then all the other religions will be disproved.It's extremely hard to prove some religion because we have limited knowledge and have our own limitations.By prove i mean to prove things by scientific knowledge(only few things can be proved in real life)
2.By comparision of religions and choosing the best one which makes more sense than the others.This is the strategy i choose.
The proof of quran is in the quran itself.The quran has challenged people to find errors in it.If you find one logical error/contradiction in it,it will render the whole quran useless.I am not saying this from myself,it's in the quran.
Let's see some of these verses.
Say: If the whole of mankind and Jinn were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they back up each other with help and support."
1.If you can prove a particular religion(way of life),then all the other religions will be disproved.It's extremely hard to prove some religion because we have limited knowledge and have our own limitations.By prove i mean to prove things by scientific knowledge(only few things can be proved in real life)
2.By comparision of religions and choosing the best one which makes more sense than the others.This is the strategy i choose.
The proof of quran is in the quran itself.The quran has challenged people to find errors in it.If you find one logical error/contradiction in it,it will render the whole quran useless.I am not saying this from myself,it's in the quran.
Let's see some of these verses.
Say: If the whole of mankind and Jinn were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they back up each other with help and support."
" or they may say, "He forged it" Say, "Bring ye then ten Suras forged, like unto it, and call (to your aid) whomsoever ye can, other than Allah! If ye speak the truth"
"And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers besides Allah, if what you say is true." quran 2:23
"The heaven, we have built it with power. Verily we are expanding it." 51:47
This is very interesting verse,cuz expansion of the universe is being criticized by some scientists.The moment they showed evidence universe is not expnading it will render it a book of deception.
Oh here is more about Big bang.
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then we clove them asunder and we got every living thing out of the water. Will they then not believe?" 21:30
The moment they showed evidence(not proof) big bang did not take place,it will render quran a book of deception.
We (Allah ) will show them (the unbelievers) Our signs in the farthest regions, and within their own selves until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth." sura 41:53
I don't have a time,i believe these verses are enough evidence.My fav is "If this quran had been other than Allah,you would have found many errors".I forgot it's exact verse,pardon me.
p.Ali
"The heaven, we have built it with power. Verily we are expanding it." 51:47
This is very interesting verse,cuz expansion of the universe is being criticized by some scientists.The moment they showed evidence universe is not expnading it will render it a book of deception.
Oh here is more about Big bang.
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then we clove them asunder and we got every living thing out of the water. Will they then not believe?" 21:30
The moment they showed evidence(not proof) big bang did not take place,it will render quran a book of deception.
We (Allah ) will show them (the unbelievers) Our signs in the farthest regions, and within their own selves until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth." sura 41:53
I don't have a time,i believe these verses are enough evidence.My fav is "If this quran had been other than Allah,you would have found many errors".I forgot it's exact verse,pardon me.
p.Ali
Turok76 said:
Hi
There are some constitutive reasons proved the divinity of Islam :
1) The Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran: some recently discovered scientific facts mentioned in the Holy Quran, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago.
2) The Great Challenge to Produce One Chapter Like the Chapters of the Holy Quran: In the Quran, God challenged all human beings to produce a single chapter like the chapters of the Quran. Ever since the Quran was revealed, fourteen centuries ago, until this day, no one has been able to meet this challenge, even though the smallest chapter in the Quran (Chapter 108) is only ten words.
3) Biblical Prophecies on the Advent of Muhammad , the Prophet of Islam .
4) The Verses in the Quran That Mention Future Events Which Later Came to Pass: The Quran mentioned future events which later came to pass, for example, the victory of the Romans over the Persians.
5) Miracles Performed by the Prophet Muhammad : Many miracles were performed by the Prophet Muhammad . These miracles were witnessed by many people.
6) The Simple Life of Muhammad : This clearly indicates that Muhammad was not a false prophet who claimed prophethood to attain material gains, greatness, or power.
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There are many sites interpret the ideas which i mentioned above like this one:
http://www.islam-guide.com/f-preface.htm
http://www.islamicmedicine.org/nonmedical.htm
Thanks
PluckyAli said:
I don't think there is any objective standard you can measure religions against - but absolutely none of them is able to sustain claims against current scientific models, because science and religion deal fundamentally with very different topics.
When an individual makes a choice, they can only make a choice based on their particular circumstances, experiences, and expectations of that particular time. There is no objective answer that can determine that choice for that individual, and stand up to issues of proving/disproving belief.
In fact, because so much in general religious doctrine fails to relate properly to current scientific thinking, it is much much easier to create a stronger argument based on disproof - though in doing so, misses the key fundamental that religious doctrine is trying to convey.
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some years aggo everyone said that the earth was flat or the moon is cheese lol , but not muslims [ 1400 yrs aggo ] and people in history thought that the earth was the centre of the universe , or that the sun was the onw moving not the earth , all that was from scientists , and the Qu'Ran put an X on top of every Theory so they claimed its false becouse it puts an X on ower noladge , so.....
mansio said:
Not deleted - it was moved to the comparative board as it was deemed to be a little too critical for this board.
Hi/allTurok76 said:
another information
Geological Aspect
What the Quran mentions about the organization of the Universe is important because "these references constitute a new fact of divine Revelation" (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 153). The Quran deals with this matter in depth although this is not dealt with in the previous scriptures.
Dr. Maurice Bucaille also points out the important fact that the Quran does not contain "the theories prevalent at the time of the Revelation that deal with the organization of the celestial world" (p. 153). If the Quran was authored by any human being, he or she would have naturally included the ideas prevalent at the time.
But many of those ideas were later shown to be inaccurate. How did the author of the Quran know enough to exclude those ideas, unless the author is God himself?
Those who say that Muhammad authored the Quran think that the Arabs were very knowledgeable in the field of Science, and Muhammad was or course one of them. But this explanation is based on the incorrect assumption that the Arabs knew Science before the Quran was revealed.
As pointed out by Dr. Bucaille, the fact is that Science in Islamic countries came after the Quran, not before. "In any case", writes Dr. Bucaille, "the scientific knowledge of that great period would not have been sufficient for a human being to write some of the verses to be found in the Quran" (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 153-154)
Modern astronomers are aware that the stars and planets are kept within ranges of precise distances from each other. Had it not been for this fact, collision between them would be inevitable. The author of the Quran was also aware of this. In the Quran we read "the sun and the moon (are subjected) to calculations. (Quran 55:5).
Again, we read: "For you (God) subjected the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their courses" (Quran 14:33).
The phrase `diligently pursuing their courses' is a translation of the Arabic term daa'ib which here means `to apply oneself to something with care in a perseverant, invariable manner, in accordance with set habits' (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p.155). And that indeed is how the sun and moon behave.
Another verse in the Quran says, "the stars are in subjection to His command" (Quran 16:12).
Order in the universe is essential for its preservation. God, who subjected them to that order knew about it before any scientist.
Comparing Apples and Oranges
The sun and the moon are different from each other not only in terms of size, but also in terms of function. The sun generates light, but the moon does not. The moon merely reflects the light coming from the sun. Every high school student today knows this.
A man or woman in the seventh century, however, would not have known about this fine distinction between the sun and the moon. To such a person, the two would appear as a greater light and a lesser light. Such a person would observe that the greater light lights up the day and the lesser light lights up the night. And this indeed is how the sun and the moon were described in previous books.
The Bible, describing the creation, says: "God made two great lights - the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night" (Genesis 1:16).
The author of the Quran however, was aware that this comparison between the sun and the moon is not adequate. Therefore the Quran does not refer to them as being a greater and a lesser light.
The Quran says: "God is the One who made the sun a shine and the moon a light" (Quran 10:5).
Commenting on this, Dr. Bucaille says: "Whereas the Bible calls the sun and moon `lights', and merely adds to one the adjective `greater' and to the other `lesser', the Quran ascribes differences other than that of dimesion to each respectively" (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 156).
Similarly, the Quran says: "Blessed is the One Who placed the constellations in heaven and placed therein a lamp and a moon giving light" (Quran 25:61).
Here again, the difference between the sun and the moon is noted. The sun is called a lamp, and the moon is called an object giving light. Again in the Quran God says that He "made the moon a light" and "made the sun a lamp" (Quran 71:15-16). Furthermore, God calls the sun a "blazing lamp" (Quran 78:12-13). This term which is used for the sun is never used for the moon in the Quran.
In all of these verses, God expresses the notion that the sun and the moon are "not absolutely identical lights" (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 156).
Dr. Bucaille draws his conclusions from what he found in the Quran about the sun and the moon: "What is interesting to note here is the sober quality of the comparisons, and the absence in the text of the Quran of any elements of comparison that might have prevailed at the time and which in our day would appear as phantasmagorial" (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 157).
In short, "There is nothing in the text of the Quran that contradicts what we know today about these two celestial bodies." (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 157).
The Sun & Moon and Their Orbits
Today we know that the Moon revolves around the earth in approximately 29.5 days. The sun also revolves in its own orbit. To understand the sun's orbit, Dr. Bucaille says that the position of the sun in our galaxy must be considered, and we must therefore call on modern scientific ideas (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 162).
Our galaxy, the milky way galaxy, includes one hundred billion stars situated in such a formation that the galaxy is shaped like a disc. This disc turns around its centre like a gramaphone record.
Now, it is obvious that when a gramaphone record turns, any point on the disc would move around and come back to its original position. Similarly, every star in the galaxy moves as the galaxy rotates on its axis. Therefore the stars that are away from the centre of the galaxy orbit around the axis. The sun is one of those stars.
Dr. Bucaille explains that modern science has worked out the details of the sun's orbit as follows: "To complete one revolution on its own axis, the galaxy and the sun take roughly 250 million years. The sun travels roughly 150 miles per second in the completion of this" (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 162).
After describing this, Dr. Bucaille comments: "The above is the orbital movement of the sun that was already referred to in the Quran fourteen centuries ago." (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 162)
And yet this is a new finding. As Dr. Bucaille says, the knowledge of the sun's orbit is an acquisition of modern astronomy (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 162).
Two verses in the Quran refer to the orbits of the sun and moon. After mentioning the sun and the moon, God says:
"Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion" (Quran 21:33; 36:40).
How did the author of the Quran know of this? Even after the Quran was revealed, early commentators could not conceive of the orbits of the sun and moon. The tenth century commentator Tabari could not explain this so he said, "It is our duty to keep silent when we do not know" (XVII, 15 quoted in The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 161).
Dr. Bucaille comments: "This shows just how incapable men were of understanding this concept of the sun's and moon's orbit." (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 161).
From this it is clear that if the Quran was here expressing an idea already known to the people, the commentators would have easily understood it. But this, as Dr. Bucaille explains was "a new concept that was not to be explained until centuries later" (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 161)
This confirms what God said to His Prophet, on whom be peace: "This is of the tidings of the Unseen which we inspire in you (Muhammad). Neither you nor your people knew it before this" (Quran 11:49).
The Sun & Moon Move With Their Own Motion
The Quran makes the following statement about the sun and the moon: "Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion" (Quran 21:33; 36:40).
Why did the Quran say that the sun and moon move with their own motion? And, if that is true, where did the author of the Quran get this information? The fact is that the sun and moon rotate on their axes and are in part animated by this rotating motion.
The phrase "travelling with its own motion" in the verses quoted above is a translation of the arabic verb `yasbahoon'. This could also be translated `they swim.' In that case, the verse would read that the sun and the moon, "Each swim in its own orbit."
Those who translate the verse this way explain that the term swim refers to movement with one's own internally generated force. Furthermore the movement of a swimmer is graceful, measured, and smooth. This is a very fitting description for the movement of the stars and planets including the sun and the moon.
After describing the scientific data concerning the rotation of the sun and the moon, Dr. Bucaille says: "These motions of the two celestial bodies are confirmed by the data of modern science, and it is inconceivable that a man living in the seventh century A.D. . . . could have imagined them" (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 163).
It is also amazing that the Quran uses a different term for the movement of the clouds and the mountains-(see Quran 27:88- . Obviously, the clouds and mountains are driven by external forces. The cloud is driven by the wind and the mountains move with the rotation of the earth. The sun and moon, however, move with their own motion, and therefore the Quran uses a peculiar term "they swim" to refer to their smooth, graceful, self-propelled movement.
How did the author of the Quran know enough to make this choice of words that will reflect a modern scientific truth? The Quran is no less than a revelation from God.
What Shape is the Earth?
Today we can look at a globe and know that the earth is somewhat like a ball, a sphere. The Quran makes certain statements that led Muslim scientists to understand long before their European counterparts that the earth is spherical. When Europe was in the dark ages thinking that the earth was flat, Muslim students were using globes for studying the earth in Islamic universities.
Since it was not the purpose of the Quran to teach science, the Quran did not need to state explicitly that the earth is spherical in shape (or more precisely, a geoid). But some of what the Quran says stimulates you to think of the world as a globe. Take, for example, the following verse: "Have you not seen how God merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night?" (Quran 31:29).
Another verse tells us that God coils the day and night around: "He coils the night upon the day and He coils the day upon the night" (Quran 39:5).
The word `coils' in the verse above is a translation of the Arabic verb kawwara which is used in describing the action of coiling a turban around the head. To understand this statement fully, readers of the Quran had to think of the earth as a sphere.
To fully appreciate the above two statements in the Quran, try this experiment at home: You need a flashlight and a globe. Take these items into a dark room. Using the flashlight to simulate the light of the sun, shine the light upon the globe. Notice that only one half of the globe is lighted up. The other half is in darkness. Half the world is having day, the other half is having night.
Now, recall that the earth is continuously rotating on its axis and will go around completely in twenty four hours. Slowly turn the globe around to simulate this rotation. Notice that as the globe turns, the day is going around the globe to light up the other half of the world. The night is also going around the globe to give rest to the other half of the world.
The day and night are perpetually coiling around the earth with some degree of interpenetration. This is exactly how it appears to astronauts during their space flights.
Dr. Bucaille makes the following remark: "This process of perpetual coiling, including the interpenetration of one sector by another, is expressed in the Quran just as if the concept of the earth's roundness had already been conceived at the time - which was obviously not the case." (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 165).
This obviously did not reflect the level of learning of the time, but was helpful in stimulating Muslim scientists to conceive of the earth in its real shape. How could this knowledge get into the Quran?
"Soon will We show them Our Signs in the furthest regions of the earth and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the truth. (Quran 41:53)
The Quran makes the following statement about the sun and the moon: "Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion" (Quran 21:33; 36:40).
Why did the Quran say that the sun and moon move with their own motion? And, if that is true, where did the author of the Quran get this information? The fact is that the sun and moon rotate on their axes and are in part animated by this rotating motion.
The phrase "travelling with its own motion" in the verses quoted above is a translation of the arabic verb `yasbahoon'. This could also be translated `they swim.' In that case, the verse would read that the sun and the moon, "Each swim in its own orbit."
Those who translate the verse this way explain that the term swim refers to movement with one's own internally generated force. Furthermore the movement of a swimmer is graceful, measured, and smooth. This is a very fitting description for the movement of the stars and planets including the sun and the moon.
After describing the scientific data concerning the rotation of the sun and the moon, Dr. Bucaille says: "These motions of the two celestial bodies are confirmed by the data of modern science, and it is inconceivable that a man living in the seventh century A.D. . . . could have imagined them" (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 163).
It is also amazing that the Quran uses a different term for the movement of the clouds and the mountains-(see Quran 27:88- . Obviously, the clouds and mountains are driven by external forces. The cloud is driven by the wind and the mountains move with the rotation of the earth. The sun and moon, however, move with their own motion, and therefore the Quran uses a peculiar term "they swim" to refer to their smooth, graceful, self-propelled movement.
How did the author of the Quran know enough to make this choice of words that will reflect a modern scientific truth? The Quran is no less than a revelation from God.
What Shape is the Earth?
Today we can look at a globe and know that the earth is somewhat like a ball, a sphere. The Quran makes certain statements that led Muslim scientists to understand long before their European counterparts that the earth is spherical. When Europe was in the dark ages thinking that the earth was flat, Muslim students were using globes for studying the earth in Islamic universities.
Since it was not the purpose of the Quran to teach science, the Quran did not need to state explicitly that the earth is spherical in shape (or more precisely, a geoid). But some of what the Quran says stimulates you to think of the world as a globe. Take, for example, the following verse: "Have you not seen how God merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night?" (Quran 31:29).
Another verse tells us that God coils the day and night around: "He coils the night upon the day and He coils the day upon the night" (Quran 39:5).
The word `coils' in the verse above is a translation of the Arabic verb kawwara which is used in describing the action of coiling a turban around the head. To understand this statement fully, readers of the Quran had to think of the earth as a sphere.
To fully appreciate the above two statements in the Quran, try this experiment at home: You need a flashlight and a globe. Take these items into a dark room. Using the flashlight to simulate the light of the sun, shine the light upon the globe. Notice that only one half of the globe is lighted up. The other half is in darkness. Half the world is having day, the other half is having night.
Now, recall that the earth is continuously rotating on its axis and will go around completely in twenty four hours. Slowly turn the globe around to simulate this rotation. Notice that as the globe turns, the day is going around the globe to light up the other half of the world. The night is also going around the globe to give rest to the other half of the world.
The day and night are perpetually coiling around the earth with some degree of interpenetration. This is exactly how it appears to astronauts during their space flights.
Dr. Bucaille makes the following remark: "This process of perpetual coiling, including the interpenetration of one sector by another, is expressed in the Quran just as if the concept of the earth's roundness had already been conceived at the time - which was obviously not the case." (The Bible, the Quran and Science, p. 165).
This obviously did not reflect the level of learning of the time, but was helpful in stimulating Muslim scientists to conceive of the earth in its real shape. How could this knowledge get into the Quran?
"Soon will We show them Our Signs in the furthest regions of the earth and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the truth. (Quran 41:53)
Dr. Bucaille's discoveries in the Koran are based on re-translations and slanted exegesis. His book dates back to the late sixties and seventies, and it has been discussed umpteen times. Only people new on the internet mention his works.
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Hi Friend,Friend said:
you speak about God as if God was a person.