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Beyond infinity. A threefold exploration of a scientific and philosophical basis for paganism and Druidry. Sorry about the size, the meaning is even vaster especially what is meant by it.
Beyond infinity. As I am fascinated by infinity and what lies beyond, I thought I would explore the idea with you.
Firstly ill explore some current ideas on infinity, which I will challenge, then we can enter the world of the ultimate metaphor ‘IT’ that is also reality in its every essence and all perspectives. This I will explore the meaning of ‘IT’ [part 2]. Then we'll explore the universal interactivity of it all.
1. Infinity paradoxes. From the book infinity and the mind by Rudy Rucker.
From the book:
1.q. It is sometimes said that if infinitely many planets existed, and then every possible planet would have to exist, including one exactly like earth except with unicorns. Is this necessarily true?
There are 10 paradoxes in the book which was a long post esp. if I answer them as I go through, I’ll add them one by one if needs be or if you want. Lets deal with this interesting one first…
My answer to 1,a. firstly you cannot have an infinite amount of planets, as
a. You can’t have an infinite amount!
2.
IT. As amorphous and anti-amorphous.
Define ‘it’? Firstly lets include the notion of everythingness & Omniverse [all universes eternity and etc], ok so we don’t know if there are many universes or one, the singularity [universe] may have happened on an infinite plain thus the universe is infinite [which I think is impossible]. So I use the term ‘omniverse’ as a way to envelope any future understanding of the nature of all universes. If ‘it’ is everything - consider the absolute and universal meaning of the term ‘it’ – it must be everything in the singular, the multiple and the universal – the thing [actuality] and the meaning. Then it has all that we are, all aspects of nature & the universe generally, multiplied by everything else one can possibly think of and what we cannot.
Paint ‘it’ black! If we could look out of the window and see everything then painted it all black that would not mean it was not still there! I mean this as a way of seeing everything in its unmanifest essence and infinite potential within nothingness.
The end of things? If you take the universe [and everything generally] away like as if it came to an end, what is there? Infinity perhaps! Infinity itself is relative to the states or definitions of finite & infinitesimal, quantum could be seen as a blend of these three ‘principles’. If infinity is incomparative what is there? Then what is ‘IT’?
Prime-mover.
Is there a prime-mover? I would question this as I see the whole thing as an interaction of principles acting on or relative to each other – like a cosmic machine. Thus we may have the apparency of a prime mover or creator, yet there is nothing [not even nothingness] external to or previous to the universe and infinity [or eternity – the realm between finite and the infinite - but that is another thread].
Is ‘it’ like x in algebra? It means whatever you are using it to represent, so are we simply talking semantics? ‘It’ does not refer only to words or even meanings, energy is an it as are the laws that govern it are too – so we are considering ‘it’ as the reality of the thing in itself, as well as abstracts like words, math etc.
So then we may substitute the meaning ‘it’ with something a little more tangible e.g. Ether [or energy, spirit etc]. Ok it is still a vague term with questionable meaning, so lets define it’s meaning somewhat – ignoring our preconceptions. We can say that in the finite world, everything is made of energy, and then we need to ask what would infinity be made of if it were a real existence of some kind, so I use the term ether, for zero energy of infinity, although energy is the wrong term.
So Ether in this form is the energy of infinity and then the universe, yet has no essential nature of its own. ‘It’ as Ether is law and principle and these govern everything relative to and as manipulative by the laws, some are universal some specific. An intellect? It may be seen as such esp. from an anthropomorphic perspective, but this ether is the reality and the principle at once! It is reactive to stimuli and causes it, continually transforming according to ‘all natures’ and thus has a state of impermanence. The whole thing – omniverse – has no beginnings or endings and is a continuum in a constant state of flux.
For me there is only ‘universal spirit’! it has at its heart, the divine centre [apex of the awen] yet this centre is everywhere. What we call physical is then the base form of universal spirit [yes it is spirit in gross form]. The gods are the living forms of different elements or aspects of spirit; the form of ‘it’ in its natures, rather than as undefined and unmanifest; yet of course they as all things have a mirror in the void of the unformed - hence can be made manifest as can the ancestors. The gods are personified in/as the universal visage [y’know like we see faces everywhere], the spirit is then both impersonal and has defined personality. Primordial and nature spirits are close to its primary form – near to the divine centre – this is why existence has so much personality; this is not simply a result of our anthropomorphic perspective, but vice versa i.e. the anthropomorphic perspective is a result of this primary aspect of universal spirit!
3.
The universal. Part three of the three fold thread – IT, infinity, and universality.
Here we will explore universal philosophy, in the context of principles that operate on or are relative to everything [or at least more than the specifics] in existence [or non existence].
The universal quantus.
The singularity is a ‘quantum particle’ wherein all quantum particles are. Lets us use the term particle and allow it to describe all things of a similar nature, So we can include everything that is spherical including for example - the geometric attribute of sphericy and as a sub-context the circle, that this aspect is a part of the overall principle. So here planets and stars may be included as its macroscopic form in the universal meaning. As quarks can appear from nothing = infinity, then May we include the notion of quantum extrapolation? That is; when something arrives from nothing as a quantum particle, it takes on the form of the principle! Thus we may say that the quanta are a primary form of manifestation & that the principle is that which shapes it. Then as the universe expands and forms into great masses the principle acts to form spheres i.e. stars etc. on its greatest level, the universe [expanded singularity] is also spherical on a warped plane.
The universal point.
The Singularity began as a point thence the entire universe is that point, as it expands it does not draw energy from external sources as energy is conserved. Yet as quarks appear from nothing [‘energy’ in the infinitive/infinity is zero], when formed into an infinitesimal point it interacts with the singularity [energy of] and is formed into a quantum particle. So the ‘point’ in form and principle, may be added to the collective meaning of our universal principle of sphericy. If we view every quantum particle as a point [in essence], then simultaneously as a singular point - points within a point, then expand the singularity that we may see how everywhere is the centre!
The field.
Now we may explore the field in its universal context. Light is a field a particle and a wave; the wave is relative to the interaction of particle and the field imho. There is a theory that the singularity is an infinite plane, this does not necessarily mean that the universe is infinite, because energy is limited then fields of energy are equally limited yet has infinite expansivity. So we may see the singularity as a quanta, a point of points, a field, an infinite field, a space and the void [infinite dimensionless space].
The continuum.
What ever happens to the universe in the ‘end’, there must be continuance! There are no beginnings or terminal endings, thence something else must always ‘happen’ – events must continue. Here time comes into our overall view even if it does not exist of itself, time then is a metaphor that pertains to the actuality of the procession of events and the immovability of the infinite. Events though are not linear, as all the points in the universe are extrinsically and intrinsically linked, hence relativity! Timelessness is the infinite version of the metaphor and the potentiality that pertains to the fact that there must always be events.
Sorry for the size of this thread, it is three in one.
respect
Z
Beyond infinity. As I am fascinated by infinity and what lies beyond, I thought I would explore the idea with you.
Firstly ill explore some current ideas on infinity, which I will challenge, then we can enter the world of the ultimate metaphor ‘IT’ that is also reality in its every essence and all perspectives. This I will explore the meaning of ‘IT’ [part 2]. Then we'll explore the universal interactivity of it all.
1. Infinity paradoxes. From the book infinity and the mind by Rudy Rucker.
From the book:
1.q. It is sometimes said that if infinitely many planets existed, and then every possible planet would have to exist, including one exactly like earth except with unicorns. Is this necessarily true?
- No it is not. We can see this by considering a numerical analogy. Let E be the “universe” of all even numbers. E contains infinitely many numbers, yet it does not contain every possible type of number, to wit, it contains no odd numbers. Although an exhaustive collection of planets would [probably] have to be infinite, an infinite collection of planets need not be exhaustive.
There are 10 paradoxes in the book which was a long post esp. if I answer them as I go through, I’ll add them one by one if needs be or if you want. Lets deal with this interesting one first…
My answer to 1,a. firstly you cannot have an infinite amount of planets, as
a. You can’t have an infinite amount!
- Energy is conserved.
- There would be no space in between to define the planets as separate entities, and the gravity would turn them all into black holes and all that.
- If there were infinite difference, then it would be necessarily exhaustive – as in all planet types would have to occur or there would not be an infinite amount of them! But it is impossible to have every kind of planet, as one would be an infinite sized planet, another an infinitely long cylinder shaped one then an infinite amount of cubed ones disallowing the spherical etc ones.
- You cannot put finite distinctions on the infinite – such as even or odd, and one cannot have integers or classifications of any kind, as infinity is ‘incomparative’!
2.
IT. As amorphous and anti-amorphous.
Define ‘it’? Firstly lets include the notion of everythingness & Omniverse [all universes eternity and etc], ok so we don’t know if there are many universes or one, the singularity [universe] may have happened on an infinite plain thus the universe is infinite [which I think is impossible]. So I use the term ‘omniverse’ as a way to envelope any future understanding of the nature of all universes. If ‘it’ is everything - consider the absolute and universal meaning of the term ‘it’ – it must be everything in the singular, the multiple and the universal – the thing [actuality] and the meaning. Then it has all that we are, all aspects of nature & the universe generally, multiplied by everything else one can possibly think of and what we cannot.
Paint ‘it’ black! If we could look out of the window and see everything then painted it all black that would not mean it was not still there! I mean this as a way of seeing everything in its unmanifest essence and infinite potential within nothingness.
The end of things? If you take the universe [and everything generally] away like as if it came to an end, what is there? Infinity perhaps! Infinity itself is relative to the states or definitions of finite & infinitesimal, quantum could be seen as a blend of these three ‘principles’. If infinity is incomparative what is there? Then what is ‘IT’?
Prime-mover.
Is there a prime-mover? I would question this as I see the whole thing as an interaction of principles acting on or relative to each other – like a cosmic machine. Thus we may have the apparency of a prime mover or creator, yet there is nothing [not even nothingness] external to or previous to the universe and infinity [or eternity – the realm between finite and the infinite - but that is another thread].
Is ‘it’ like x in algebra? It means whatever you are using it to represent, so are we simply talking semantics? ‘It’ does not refer only to words or even meanings, energy is an it as are the laws that govern it are too – so we are considering ‘it’ as the reality of the thing in itself, as well as abstracts like words, math etc.
So then we may substitute the meaning ‘it’ with something a little more tangible e.g. Ether [or energy, spirit etc]. Ok it is still a vague term with questionable meaning, so lets define it’s meaning somewhat – ignoring our preconceptions. We can say that in the finite world, everything is made of energy, and then we need to ask what would infinity be made of if it were a real existence of some kind, so I use the term ether, for zero energy of infinity, although energy is the wrong term.
So Ether in this form is the energy of infinity and then the universe, yet has no essential nature of its own. ‘It’ as Ether is law and principle and these govern everything relative to and as manipulative by the laws, some are universal some specific. An intellect? It may be seen as such esp. from an anthropomorphic perspective, but this ether is the reality and the principle at once! It is reactive to stimuli and causes it, continually transforming according to ‘all natures’ and thus has a state of impermanence. The whole thing – omniverse – has no beginnings or endings and is a continuum in a constant state of flux.
For me there is only ‘universal spirit’! it has at its heart, the divine centre [apex of the awen] yet this centre is everywhere. What we call physical is then the base form of universal spirit [yes it is spirit in gross form]. The gods are the living forms of different elements or aspects of spirit; the form of ‘it’ in its natures, rather than as undefined and unmanifest; yet of course they as all things have a mirror in the void of the unformed - hence can be made manifest as can the ancestors. The gods are personified in/as the universal visage [y’know like we see faces everywhere], the spirit is then both impersonal and has defined personality. Primordial and nature spirits are close to its primary form – near to the divine centre – this is why existence has so much personality; this is not simply a result of our anthropomorphic perspective, but vice versa i.e. the anthropomorphic perspective is a result of this primary aspect of universal spirit!
3.
The universal. Part three of the three fold thread – IT, infinity, and universality.
Here we will explore universal philosophy, in the context of principles that operate on or are relative to everything [or at least more than the specifics] in existence [or non existence].
The universal quantus.
The singularity is a ‘quantum particle’ wherein all quantum particles are. Lets us use the term particle and allow it to describe all things of a similar nature, So we can include everything that is spherical including for example - the geometric attribute of sphericy and as a sub-context the circle, that this aspect is a part of the overall principle. So here planets and stars may be included as its macroscopic form in the universal meaning. As quarks can appear from nothing = infinity, then May we include the notion of quantum extrapolation? That is; when something arrives from nothing as a quantum particle, it takes on the form of the principle! Thus we may say that the quanta are a primary form of manifestation & that the principle is that which shapes it. Then as the universe expands and forms into great masses the principle acts to form spheres i.e. stars etc. on its greatest level, the universe [expanded singularity] is also spherical on a warped plane.
The universal point.
The Singularity began as a point thence the entire universe is that point, as it expands it does not draw energy from external sources as energy is conserved. Yet as quarks appear from nothing [‘energy’ in the infinitive/infinity is zero], when formed into an infinitesimal point it interacts with the singularity [energy of] and is formed into a quantum particle. So the ‘point’ in form and principle, may be added to the collective meaning of our universal principle of sphericy. If we view every quantum particle as a point [in essence], then simultaneously as a singular point - points within a point, then expand the singularity that we may see how everywhere is the centre!
The field.
Now we may explore the field in its universal context. Light is a field a particle and a wave; the wave is relative to the interaction of particle and the field imho. There is a theory that the singularity is an infinite plane, this does not necessarily mean that the universe is infinite, because energy is limited then fields of energy are equally limited yet has infinite expansivity. So we may see the singularity as a quanta, a point of points, a field, an infinite field, a space and the void [infinite dimensionless space].
The continuum.
What ever happens to the universe in the ‘end’, there must be continuance! There are no beginnings or terminal endings, thence something else must always ‘happen’ – events must continue. Here time comes into our overall view even if it does not exist of itself, time then is a metaphor that pertains to the actuality of the procession of events and the immovability of the infinite. Events though are not linear, as all the points in the universe are extrinsically and intrinsically linked, hence relativity! Timelessness is the infinite version of the metaphor and the potentiality that pertains to the fact that there must always be events.
Sorry for the size of this thread, it is three in one.
respect
Z
