Greatest Religion in the world.

So first back to clear up what you said about it not mattering what religion one was...you do care now, they have to be Christian in order to worship G-d properly and they have to be a certain brand of Christian...definitely not Catholic.

As for the 7th day info...are you indicating that this below did not occur? Therefor it is all prophecy? But from this point on we start the Geneology of Adam from which we all are descendents...

Oh yeah Dor, me acting stupid again....tell me are you following this? Maybe you can help?

Genesis 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

exactly. what other explanation could there be that the whole world is messed up? nothing is blessed, yet. nothing is holy in His sight, yet. i will tell you one more thing, He hasn't rested, yet either. His Spirit is constantly moving everywhere. there is no rest until we wake up in the likeness of His Son. until we are finally perfected, we will be Children of the Most High. Praise our Father in heaven, blessed be His Name, forever and ever.
 
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How can you say they love Him when he clearly states not to worship the queen of heaven or worship graven images. they love Him in an innapropriate manner. it is not pure. it is not with Spirit. another thing also, there is only one way to God, and that is thru his Christ. If they are for Him, let them be. If they are not, well they will rejoice in their portion. basically, even for the ones that know the Truth, there is no title, just the Truth. just the Word. just His Will. that is all that matters. worship the One True God. Creator of heaven and earth.

Catholics do not "worship" any queen or saint. that is a misnomer. Cahtolics rely on and believe unto Jesus. Maybe that is what Wil is trying to point out.

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Joshua
 
Catholics do not "worship" any queen or saint. that is a misnomer. Cahtolics rely on and believe unto Jesus. Maybe that is what Wil is trying to point out.

v/r

Joshua

i don't know if you have ever been to south texas or mexico, but around here, catholics and i mean alot of catholics pray to the image of the virgin mary, they pray to graven images, they pray to the pope as well. the images of catholicism are everywhere. its like we have been infected.
 
i don't know if you have ever been to south texas or mexico, but around here, catholics and i mean alot of catholics pray to the image of the virgin mary, they pray to graven images, they pray to the pope as well. the images of catholicism are everywhere. its like we have been infected.

Leo, you are looking at different cultures and the influence on their "faith".

I wouldn't even recognize the goings on at some Catholic churches down south. Santa Ria, you know this in New Orleans (for example)? It is supposed to be Catholic...not from where I'm coming from.

I would suggest a whole gambit of groups not be cloistered into one opinion. They believe as they believe...ok. That is all. I'd let it go from there. There are differences of opinion, even between churches of the same cloth.

Not your cup of tea (not mine either). Maybe I'll start a Baptist-Catholic church (lol), hey it could work...

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Joshua
 
Leo, you are looking at different cultures and the influence on their "faith".

I wouldn't even recognize the goings on at some Catholic churches down south. Santa Ria, you know this in New Orleans (for example)? It is supposed to be Catholic...not from where I'm coming from.

I would suggest a whole gambit of groups not be cloistered into one opinion. They believe as they believe...ok. That is all. I'd let it go from there. There are differences of opinion, even between churches of the same cloth.

Not your cup of tea (not mine either). Maybe I'll start a Baptist-Catholic church (lol), hey it could work...

v/r


Joshua

i understand what you mean by different cultures. its just that you watch tv or if you go to a catholic meeting, right, and you see all these old dudes in these elegant robes making public prayers for the whole world to see. it reminds me of the pharasees and sadducees just the way the Christ described in the Gospels. its happening again like seasons changing from year to year, except this time it is much much worse. i hope you can understand this. well, it is almost 5pm where i am at and am almost out of work. i only have internet access from work. so see ya next week.
 
Kindest Regards, Inhumility.

How did I manage to miss this?
This is all mentioned in the article The Pauline Conspiracy by A. Victor Garaffa.
Please read it carefully to know the truth.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islam

Would it interest you to know I have already refuted Mr. Garaffa's article? In direct conversation with him, no less. To which I am still patiently awaiting a reply. So no, the Pauline Conspiracy is not truth, not in the sense you suggest. It is an opinion, an opinion in which I found many many holes in the logic.

http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/refutation-of-pauline-controversy-5750.html

If you would be so kind as to carefully look for yourself, Inhumility, perhaps you might learn some truth. ;)
 
Kindest Regards, Inhumility.
How did I manage to miss this?
Would it interest you to know I have already refuted Mr. Garaffa's article? In direct conversation with him, no less. To which I am still patiently awaiting a reply. So no, the Pauline Conspiracy is not truth, not in the sense you suggest. It is an opinion, an opinion in which I found many many holes in the logic.
http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/refutation-of-pauline-controversy-5750.html
If you would be so kind as to carefully look for yourself, Inhumility, perhaps you might learn some truth. ;)

Hi juantoo3!
Thank you for addressing me directly. Dor, my Christian friend/brother, the Bible thumper, has already informed me of the link, perhaps you missed reading that; I also acknowledged in response that I have downloaded it and I would read it carefully. I have yet only read some pages and not yet finished it. What I could ascertain as of now is that you both seem to be thinking on different planes, not from the same vantage point.
I myself am not interested in Paul bashing, that never interests me, I concentrate on the PerfectMan (not God) JesusYeshuaIssa ProphetMessenger and his teachings and I love him and his followers. I know for certain that Paul was an enemy of Jesus and his teachings before the clever vision which Paul states that he saw, while he also states that he was blind at that time. What a blind man could see is anybody's guess? After the vision Paul became even a more bitter enemy of Jesus and his teachings, which is very obvious. I only want that my Christian friends follow JesusYeshuaIssa as he was the way and light for the Christians from GodAllahYHWH; Paul was not.
I may also mention here that our friend Victor A. Garaffa is a solid steadfast Christian and a good scholar, please see his credentials on Google. He teaches Christian priests. I don't have to follow Victor A. Garaffa unnecessarily, I follow reasonable and rational arguments of the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi mentioned in his books, when he died Victor A. Garaffa would have not born even.
I thank everybody for bearing with me here. I love you all.
Thanks again
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islam
 
Hi juantoo3!
Thank you for addressing me directly. Dor, my Christian friend/brother, the Bible thumper, has already informed me of the link, perhaps you missed reading that; I also acknowledged in response that I have downloaded it and I would read it carefully. I have yet only read some pages and not yet finished it. What I could ascertain as of now is that you both seem to be thinking on different planes, not from the same vantage point.
I myself am not interested in Paul bashing, that never interests me, I concentrate on the PerfectMan (not God) JesusYeshuaIssa ProphetMessenger and his teachings and I love him and his followers. I know for certain that Paul was an enemy of Jesus and his teachings before the clever vision which Paul states that he saw, while he also states that he was blind at that time. What a blind man could see is anybody's guess? After the vision Paul became even a more bitter enemy of Jesus and his teachings, which is very obvious. I only want that my Christian friends follow JesusYeshuaIssa as he was the way and light for the Christians from GodAllahYHWH; Paul was not.
I may also mention here that our friend Victor A. Garaffa is a solid steadfast Christian and a good scholar, please see his credentials on Google. He teaches Christian priests. I don't have to follow Victor A. Garaffa unnecessarily, I follow reasonable and rational arguments of the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi mentioned in his books, when he died Victor A. Garaffa would have not born even.
I thank everybody for bearing with me here. I love you all.
Thanks again
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islam
Sorry not an ounce of truth in that anywhere.
 
...I know for certain that Paul was an enemy of Jesus and his teachings before the clever vision which Paul states that he saw, while he also states that he was blind at that time. What a blind man could see is anybody's guess? After the vision Paul became even a more bitter enemy of Jesus and his teachings, which is very obvious. I only want that my Christian friends follow JesusYeshuaIssa as he was the way and light for the Christians from GodAllahYHWH; Paul was not.
I may also mention here that our friend Victor A. Garaffa is a solid steadfast Christian and a good scholar, please see his credentials on Google. He teaches Christian priests. I don't have to follow Victor A. Garaffa unnecessarily, I follow reasonable and rational arguments of the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi mentioned in his books, when he died Victor A. Garaffa would have not born even.
I thank everybody for bearing with me here. I love you all.
Thanks again
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islam

Unfortunately, your view is decidedly non-Christian, which professes Jesus as God. Just because Islam declares Jesus as "messiah" does not mean that Islam even views "messiah" in the same light as the Christian. Indeed the definition of messhiah differs between Arabic and other than Arabic, or Islam and other than Islam. And unlike Islam, Christianity is not a Religion of rational logic, which by its very nature precludes a leap of faith. There is no A to B to C in Christianity, or having to go from first base through third in order to get to home plate.

Christianity in and of itself is a mystery revealed to those who seek (like Paul did).

As far as being "blind" for a few days, I submit that did more for Paul than any other event in his life. Because he could not rely on his own sight of things, his own senses. He had to depend on God and learn to trust that same God. In short, the shepard disabled Paul and carried Him on His shoulders, until he became used to and comforted by the "scent" of that shepard (metaphorical of course but still just as effective). Paul never left Christ's "presence" after that, and became the leading sheep for others to emmulate and follow.

v/r

Joshua
 
And unlike Islam, Christianity is not a Religion of rational logic.
Christianity in and of itself is a mystery revealed to those who seek (like Paul did).
v/r
Joshua

Hi
There are things which are better understood in the opposite phenomenon. I think many or some friends here won't accept or term Christianity as an irrational or illogical religion ( opposite of your sentence) ; at least JesusYeshuaIssa's religion was not such. He had simple and reasonable concepts which were already mentioned in OTBible with much clarity; which later were made complex and mysterious without any authority from JesusYeshuaIssa or from GodAllahYHWH.
GodAllahYHWH only sends His Words or speaks to the pious people. Those who are enemies of the pious people never receive any visions or revelations.
It is, to me, a very simple thing to understand. So , in my opinion, Paul never received any truthful vision or Word from GodAllahYHWH or for that matter from JesusYeshuIssa.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islam
 

GodAllahYHWH only sends His Words or speaks to the pious people. Those who are enemies of the pious people never receive any visions or revelations.
It is, to me, a very simple thing to understand. So , in my opinion, Paul never received any truthful vision or Word from GodAllahYHWH or for that matter from JesusYeshuIssa.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islam

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. :) Jesus did not come for the righteous ( or pious) He came for the sick and sinful.. Jesus showed us that we can never be righteous enough for God on our own merit. Jesus showed us that we can only be righteous on HIs merit. HE gave US His righteousness HIS goodness because He has plenty to pass around for all who want it. So because of the purity of Jesus Christ.. Paul was good enough.. he was righteous enough and he was pious enough and pure enough to be a messenger of God. That is not just an opinion. The bibles authority backs me up.
 
Kindest Regards, Inhumility!
Thank you for addressing me directly.
The pleasure is mine, sir.

Dor, ... has already informed me of the link, perhaps you missed reading that; I also acknowledged in response that I have downloaded it and I would read it carefully.
I did miss reading it until you brought it to my attention. I had not seen this thread until just before I posted to you..."how did I miss this?"

I have yet only read some pages and not yet finished it.
I can accept this. It is a bit long, but only a minor fraction of what Mr. Garaffa composed. If it would assist any, I recommend skipping to the apologetic critique of the summary, somewhere around posts 5-7 or so. That is where everything is brought together in direct relationship to Mr. Garaffa's work.

What I could ascertain as of now is that you both seem to be thinking on different planes, not from the same vantage point.
I myself am not interested in Paul bashing, that never interests me, I concentrate on the PerfectMan (not God) JesusYeshuaIssa ProphetMessenger and his teachings and I love him and his followers. I know for certain that Paul was an enemy of Jesus and his teachings before the clever vision which Paul states that he saw, while he also states that he was blind at that time. What a blind man could see is anybody's guess? After the vision Paul became even a more bitter enemy of Jesus and his teachings, which is very obvious.
Mr. Garaffa and I do not share the same vantage point, though we look at the same thing. His view is too focused, my view is broad and all-encompassing. I can accept the possibility that this may be your view that Paul is the enemy of Jesus, however it is one I do not share in, logically, as I spelled out. While I may have an interest in defending my faith, I can as easily posit that you have an equal interest in defending your faith. For Paul to lose his eyesight for a few days yet still have a waking dream or vision is not only a valid possible reality, it is a medically truthful possibility that happens frequently enough to merit belief. To suggest otherwise is to ignore the rationality and logic of reality. Then to claim that Paul was a bitter enemy of Jesus simply bears no merit whatsoever, I'm sorry, it is not there and does not follow from the argument.

I only want that my Christian friends follow JesusYeshuaIssa as he was the way and light for the Christians from GodAllahYHWH; Paul was not.
It may be that I am the person here closest to what you describe, and I must respectfully disagree with you. I lived for many years, nearly 20, until this past year, following a path most closely resembling a Messianic Jew. In my view, that would be what Jesus' immediate followers would have been. By definition, Paul was a Messianic Jew. The contradiction in your statement I find glaring. I pray it is not intentional for the purpose of misleading...I sincerely do not believe that is your intention. However, intended or not, the motives behind your inflamatory posts do draw serious questions as to your motives and intent. I will proceed for this moment on the conclusion that your assertions are mistaken rather than deliberate.

I may also mention here that our friend Victor A. Garaffa is a solid steadfast Christian and a good scholar, please see his credentials on Google. He teaches Christian priests.
I have no doubt Mr. Garaffa is a steadfast Christian and a good scholar. However, if you did indeed read his response to me, you would see he disavows any credentials in a specific statement to me. I will be happy to quote if you like. So I am confused...which of you is telling me the truth? You, or Mr. Garaffa? :confused:

I don't have to follow Victor A. Garaffa unnecessarily, I follow reasonable and rational arguments of the PromisedMessiahImamMahdi mentioned in his books, when he died Victor A. Garaffa would have not born even.
Indeed, I follow no man without question. Including scholars. Including religious leaders.

I thank everybody for bearing with me here. I love you all. Thanks again. I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islam
You are persistent if nothing else. I want to believe you mean no harm. Often your statements are ill timed and ill placed, and in doing so you do not promote the peace you claim. It has been a pleasure to address you sir, but please remember this is a delicate subject, if it is truly peace you wish to promote. I would recommend further discussion on this subject be carried elsewhere, like the comparative board, so as not to be perceived as threatening. Like I have already asked a number of times before. Thank you.
 
I would like to add a couple of insertions I didn't have time for last night:

Kindest Regards, Inhumility!

If it would assist any, I recommend skipping to the apologetic critique of the summary, somewhere around posts 5-7 or so. That is where everything is brought together in direct relationship to Mr. Garaffa's work.
That turns out to be posts 11 and 12.

I have no doubt Mr. Garaffa is a steadfast Christian and a good scholar. However, if you did indeed read his response to me, you would see he disavows any credentials in a specific statement to me. I will be happy to quote if you like. So I am confused...which of you is telling me the truth? You, or Mr. Garaffa? :confused:
post 6 <-jt3>: "You are not the first to personally lay this gauntlet before me, although I am honored and humbled to have it laid at my feet by the author. Bearing in mind I have little alphabet soup behind my name, and nothing to denote a formal education in theology or any related field, my "apology" is certainly not of the caliber to spur one's career. Since I have nothing to gain, no career at stake, no financial benefit, no congregation looking to me, no degree at stake, there is really no benefit to my formally undertaking this. I have only my humble observations. Accept them, or not. Perhaps for a percentage of the profits, I might consider the formal undertaking with the time required. Otherwise, I have no incentive." <emphasis added>

post 7 <-AVG>: "Juantoo3:
Dear friend, the letters after my name are as lengthy as your own. I am no academician nor do I owe my knowledge to any other than the Holy Spirit and a calling of G-d to honor His name and worship him! In fact, we are of the same school; of the general congregation struggling to determine what happened two thousand years ago." <emphasis added>

Again, I have no doubt Mr. Garaffa is a sincere scholar, as much as any student should be. But the implication that he is a lettered scholar of rank and influence is either not true by admission of Mr. Garaffa himself, or somebody somewhere is trying to deceive me (intentionally or not).
 
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Kindest Regards, Inhumility.
How did I manage to miss this?
Would it interest you to know I have already refuted Mr. Garaffa's article? In direct conversation with him, no less. To which I am still patiently awaiting a reply. So no, the Pauline Conspiracy is not truth, not in the sense you suggest. It is an opinion, an opinion in which I found many many holes in the logic.
http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/refutation-of-pauline-controversy-5750.html
If you would be so kind as to carefully look for yourself, Inhumility, perhaps you might learn some truth. ;)

Hi juantoo3 and all other Christians friends/brothers!
Please observe my response on Islam Board by accessing:http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/refutation-of-pauline-controversy-discussed-6807.html#post96722
I think everybody would join in the discussion freely.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islam
 
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