juantoo3
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Kindest Regards, Q!
Great post!
Great post!
The underlying theme of this thread...
The Warrior Philosophe
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Sorry to bring this thread up again .. And not to minimize those who are or have fought for their beliefs, and even died. The archetypes of a WARRIOR are as prevalent as being a male( or female) in society. Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette wrote a great book “King, Warrior, Magician, Lover” in 1990 discussing such archetypes Amazon.com: King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes of the Mature Masculine: Books: Robert Moore,Douglas Gillette they go as far as saying those “who would cut off masculine aggressiveness at its root, in their zeal, themselves fall under the power of this archetype” and this archetype in its positive fullness can lead to liberation ( in the negative, genocide). A quote from Morihei Ushiba:
Love is the
guardian deity
of everything.
Nothing can
Exist without it.
Aikido is
The realization
of love.
All religions have had a warrior archetype, in India the Kshatriya, in Persia the Zoroastrian, the Hebrews were originally a warrior people and followed a warrior God, the Spartans who saved European democracy ideals from the invading Persians, the Native Americans, who leapt into battle with the cry, “Today is a good day to die”, or the samurai tradition of the Japanese. Shall we deny religion?
Love is the
guardian deity
of everything.
Nothing can
Exist without it.
Aikido is
The realization
of love.
All religions have had a warrior archetype, in India the Kshatriya, in Persia the Zoroastrian, the Hebrews were originally a warrior people and followed a warrior God, the Spartans who saved European democracy ideals from the invading Persians, the Native Americans, who leapt into battle with the cry, “Today is a good day to die”, or the samurai tradition of the Japanese. Shall we deny religion?
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juantoo3
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Kindest Regards, sjr!
I like this.
That is a major point to consider. Every ancient society that has managed to exist in some form or other until today did so on the backs of their warriors. Without their warriors, those societies just "fade away..." Reminds me of "survival of the fittest." Even "red of tooth and claw," without which we starve and again fail the "fittest" measure. (Vegans notwithstanding, the only realistically valid compromise I can see is that of being frugivore)
juantoo3
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Walking on a thin line
-Huey Lewis
Still in Saigon
-Charlie Daniels
Copperhead Road
-Steve Earle
-Huey Lewis
Still in Saigon
-Charlie Daniels
Copperhead Road
-Steve Earle
juantoo3
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It is the
VETERAN,
not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.
*I don't know who the author is to give proper credit, -jt3
VETERAN,
not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.
*I don't know who the author is to give proper credit, -jt3
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Lose the "blogspot" Part, and continue with your thought, and welcome to IO.
juantoo3
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bump for relevence
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Bump for benefit of clarity
Even Lunamoth acknowledged the right of protecting her children...'nuf said.
Even Lunamoth acknowledged the right of protecting her children...'nuf said.
Another great thread to reread!
Question, would it not more accurate to say REVOLUTIONARY?
OR replace the last line of each stanza from 'Who has given us the right to X.' with ...Who has fought to defend our right to X?
juantoo3
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I don't think so, Comrade. Che Guevara didn't fight to give the people any of those Freedoms. Mao didn't fight to give people Freedoms. Lenin and Trotsky didn't fight to give people Freedoms.
American Freedoms were bought and paid for with the blood of American Soldiers, and with the service of American Veterans. The poem, which isn't mine, stands as written.
I was speaking of American revolutionaries...but you knew that comrade (that was a term of endearment right? Surely you wouldn't be implying anything) Well and pirates, I mean privateers and such they were involved in beginning this world domination manifest destiny nation of ours.
They were all traitors against the kingdom were they not? And in the end we replaced that "sun never sets on" kingdom with ours containing a couple hundred bases around the world protecting our national interests and corporate "citizen" partners...erp I mean freedoms.
I'll agree pur politicians have sent many to their deaths in order to obtain revenge against the Saudis for 9/11 we sent 3 times as many to their deaths overseas than died here. That seems logical, not only that bet many more multiples came back with traumatic physical and mental disorders.sending suicides by our vets into percentages never seen before. I guess it all makes sense...maybe we should return the name of our DoD back to its original name...the more accurate Dept of War.
Western allies of the United States have borne significant costs in the post-9/11 wars, in terms of both dollars and lives. This report’s key findings indicate that, besides the United States, the top five countries to send troops to the war in Afghanistan were the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Italy, and Canada. The United Kingdom in particular supplied roughly two to three times the troops of the other top contributing allies when considered relative to its population. British and Canadian troops put their lives at risk at twice the rate of American troops, when seen as a percentage of each country’s peak deployment. The top contributing allies lost over a thousand lives in the U.S.-led conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Then of course there were near 200k deaths by local forces fighting with us....and hundreds of thousands of civilians that died from our bombs or occupation and disruption.
I agree our poor soldiers, hyped on nationalism and saving the world and our Freedoms have done a lot to maintain them...
We now need to protect our schools and libraries from book banning and encourage kids to learn real history so they are not all gobsmacked when they learn they were deceived by the military industrial complex and their corporations, comrade.
juantoo3
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Hard to tell...
It really sucks to be on a winning team, huh?
Thank Thomas Jefferson...he was a Democrat.
Data please? I worked with Gulf War vets on a daily basis for over 5 years, doing interviews. I'm not downplaying suicide among them, but the percentages are not worse than Viet Nam (you know, the baby killers all the stoned trust fund brats spat on when they came home).
Data please?
And how many of those who assisted us were abandoned in the worst military draw down in my lifetime?
Sorry suckah, sux 2 b u. Thanks for the help, bye bye.
As well as those of Europe, and Asia, including China (for a time anyway).
Did you show your elementary school age kids smut? Even "the talk" didn't happen until I was well into Junior High.
Funny, how so many of those claiming book banning and censorship have no qualms shouting down and shouting over and even violently threatening anybody who disagrees with them - censoring and denying the right to speech (let alone thought). No hypocrisy to see here...
And real history? You mean, like Social Studies, the US Constitution, Preamble, Articles of Confederation, John Locke, English Common Law, Magna Carta...all that good stuff?
Or dwell on the negatives that we as a nation have already fought, brother against brother, about?
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Lol...learning history vs smut...sheesh.
Instead of lies (glorifying Columbus for example) how about truth.
Instead of lies (glorifying Columbus for example) how about truth.
As to war....and deaths...you have access probably to better data than I.
Searching for suicides per 100k veterans it stood at 10 ww2 11 korea...could not find vietnam...but...2021, research found that 30,177 active duty personnel and veterans who served in the military after 9/11 have died by suicide - compared to the 7,057 service members killed in combat in those same 20 years. That is, military suicide rates are four times higher than deaths that occurred during military operations.
Due to our wars in middle east 3k died in 9/11 as retribution by a Saudi zealot. So we let the Saudis and their oil wealth go, gave them the PGA as reward and killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And how many of our own did we spend to death and dismemberment for 10 trillion bucks...who can claim any of that worthy or logical?
Searching for suicides per 100k veterans it stood at 10 ww2 11 korea...could not find vietnam...but...2021, research found that 30,177 active duty personnel and veterans who served in the military after 9/11 have died by suicide - compared to the 7,057 service members killed in combat in those same 20 years. That is, military suicide rates are four times higher than deaths that occurred during military operations.
Due to our wars in middle east 3k died in 9/11 as retribution by a Saudi zealot. So we let the Saudis and their oil wealth go, gave them the PGA as reward and killed hundreds of thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And how many of our own did we spend to death and dismemberment for 10 trillion bucks...who can claim any of that worthy or logical?
juantoo3
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juantoo3
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How much of this took place under Obama? A full 8 years as I recall...even opening the door for expansion of ISIS. And while giving lip service to Middle East Peace, it was crystal clear Obama was no friend to Israel.
At least Trump was in process of a responsible draw down...as promised, *and* made significant headway towards Peace in the Middle East - an inconvenient fact deliberately overlooked. Biden botched what he was handed, leaving our military humiliated in the eyes of our allies and enemies alike, and the Peace process has ground to a halt.
Who started Viet Nam? Dems. Who ended it. Reps.
So if finger pointing is your game - there is PLENTY to go around. Especially considering the historical FACT that the party of the KKK has always been the Dems. Dems started the Civil War, Reps ended it and set the slaves free...
Exquisite con job..."you ain't black if you don't vote Dem," the party of the KKK. Kudos
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If politicians obeyed the greatest commandments, there would be no need for wars. To love God, to love all your neighbours as you love yourself, to love and pray for your enemies, you can do nothing greater.
How does some vet going off to fight people in Afghanistan and Iraq, give freedom to religion? All the time these wars raged on, we were praying for peace. The Iraqi and Afghan people are not my enemy, they have done nothing to harm me. These wars were unjust, Only a few Afghans were responsible for 9/11, yet America and its allies held the whole country accountable. Tens of thousands killed, displaced loosing everything, refugees roaming the world. How is that justice.
juantoo3
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You have freedom to speak of this, no?
Let's flip this around...What if 9/11 was a successful invasion by Muslims? Do you think for a moment you would have access to this very site under Taliban rule?
I think the answer is self evident.
Let's flip this around...What if 9/11 was a successful invasion by Muslims? Do you think for a moment you would have access to this very site under Taliban rule?
I think the answer is self evident.
What if George Bush never invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, the world would be a far more stable place to live. Only the people responsible for 9/11 should have been bought to justice. Instead, tens of thousands of people who had nothing to do with 9/11 were killed, injured, made homeless. Much of Afghanistan and Iraq has been destroyed. This is not justice.