seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
Hey, there's room for everyone here, even those who wish to project taking offence onto third parties.
Re-evaluating Walled Garden approach
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FlyByNight
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That's complete conjecture on your part seattlegal. For all you know DynoMight could be half Asian Indian, half Polish and a quarter Jew through a maternal lineage. He could be a card carrying Baha'i as well.
Third parties? As far as I am concerned that's just something you made up to avoid responding to legitimate concerns.
seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
**raises an eyebrow**
http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/which-religion-do-you-follow-4175-9.html#post82621
DynoMight said:
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FlyByNight
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Neither of those quotes are contadictory. He could be as I have suggested and also be exactly what he has said.
Regardless why not quit postulating and just address his legitimate concerns?
Regardless why not quit postulating and just address his legitimate concerns?
Namaste Flybynight.
I wonder if we can address 'legitmate concerns'
I am a user, an enjoyer of this site, not a creator, monitor, or maintainer of any sort.
His concerns seem to me to be that this place where people come for free by their own free will and stay as long as they want which was created by others with untold thosands of hours of work over the years. This site which has been improved, updated and modified regularly, each and every time with feedback and consult with the avid users...all with the end in mind to be user friendly and create a space for worldwide discussion area.
His concern is a title is lacking, and providing Hinduism with its own forum highlighted and headlined under that forum, yet its name ommitted from the little italixed discription line above is abusive to the millions of followers of Krishna.
His concern has been voiced and heard, we are discussing this very topic right now and in the other forum. And it appears that those that have been posting here for months, years that are of the same persuasion, don't have the same issues.
So while he has a point and an opinion, there are a number of things at play here. His point and opinion will be considered, and those that have and will provide the sweat equity to this site will look at his and others...and look at what they wish to do with this venture...and make a decision, and modify this site yet again...in their own time...at their own discretion. And then we the users will look and use, or whine and complain, or leave, or keep our mouths shut and play on...knowing we didn't get all that we wanted...this isn't the perfect site in our perfect world....but that we are not willing to go out and spend the time, money and effort it takes to create one...so we stay and play.
These are my unsolicited thoughts (or should I say philosophy) as a user.
Oh and as my point usually isn't all that apparent in what I say sometimes...I'm very appreciative of this site and the management at large. Not to say I don't have concerns and wishes or that I have not been vocal in the past. But I love the guys and gals that make this happen...creators, maintainers and users alike.
I wonder if we can address 'legitmate concerns'
I am a user, an enjoyer of this site, not a creator, monitor, or maintainer of any sort.
His concerns seem to me to be that this place where people come for free by their own free will and stay as long as they want which was created by others with untold thosands of hours of work over the years. This site which has been improved, updated and modified regularly, each and every time with feedback and consult with the avid users...all with the end in mind to be user friendly and create a space for worldwide discussion area.
His concern is a title is lacking, and providing Hinduism with its own forum highlighted and headlined under that forum, yet its name ommitted from the little italixed discription line above is abusive to the millions of followers of Krishna.
His concern has been voiced and heard, we are discussing this very topic right now and in the other forum. And it appears that those that have been posting here for months, years that are of the same persuasion, don't have the same issues.
So while he has a point and an opinion, there are a number of things at play here. His point and opinion will be considered, and those that have and will provide the sweat equity to this site will look at his and others...and look at what they wish to do with this venture...and make a decision, and modify this site yet again...in their own time...at their own discretion. And then we the users will look and use, or whine and complain, or leave, or keep our mouths shut and play on...knowing we didn't get all that we wanted...this isn't the perfect site in our perfect world....but that we are not willing to go out and spend the time, money and effort it takes to create one...so we stay and play.
These are my unsolicited thoughts (or should I say philosophy) as a user.
Oh and as my point usually isn't all that apparent in what I say sometimes...I'm very appreciative of this site and the management at large. Not to say I don't have concerns and wishes or that I have not been vocal in the past. But I love the guys and gals that make this happen...creators, maintainers and users alike.
seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
You are looking at the wrong half of his post.
How can he consider his claim for someone else causing offence as legitimate when he so freely does so himself?
Interesting that DynoMight and FlyByNight have the same IP addresses, and pretty similar style of posting.
Which single username do you want to use, or do you want me to simply ban all of them?
Which single username do you want to use, or do you want me to simply ban all of them?
seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
You crack me up, FlyByNight!
http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/the-magic-at-the-core-6180.html#post82932
Conjecture?
I've seen these issues addressed in numerous places on the board, here and here, for a couple of examples. Chanting the same thing over and over again until you get an answer you like probably won't do you much good, here.FlyByNight said:
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FlyByNight
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I think that it has been brushed aside more than it has been addressed.
Do you, SeattleGal, think that "Eastern Thoughts" is a more respectful name than either "Eastern Religions" or "Eastern Philosophies"?
While I am complaining and conjecturing as you say, I'd like to address the list standard avatars provided by this website. What a weird compilation. All those pagan femme and whatever femme avatars. Why so many? Again it's weird and it's all too fishy. I'm sure this forum has a hidden agenda. Is it the agenda of Satan?
I guess we may never know.
Do you, SeattleGal, think that "Eastern Thoughts" is a more respectful name than either "Eastern Religions" or "Eastern Philosophies"?
While I am complaining and conjecturing as you say, I'd like to address the list standard avatars provided by this website. What a weird compilation. All those pagan femme and whatever femme avatars. Why so many? Again it's weird and it's all too fishy. I'm sure this forum has a hidden agenda. Is it the agenda of Satan?
I guess we may never know.
seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
I think Eastern Thought is a more inclusive term than the other two choices you offered. Being offended by the term and carrying it around with you could become a heavy, soul-sucking burden, could it not? Why hang on to something so negative?
You are entitled to your opinion.
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Suprise :O
What I think when I look at you site... COMPARATIVE-religion... I think I should be allowed to enter the Christian forum and "challange" "disagree" with their ways.... "oooh but it's the christians forum!!" But isn't this a site to compare faiths? Like shouldn't you be allowed to challange others ways?
Poster 1: I believe X
Poster 2: I too believe X
Poster 3: Isn't X awesome?
Poster 1: Yes it sure is!!
Poster 2: aah... X is good..
Poster 3: *nods*
Poster 4: I don't believe X I believe R.....
Poster 1: WHAT!??!?!?! SINNER!!!
Poster 2: I don't believe what he said I am going to whine to a mod.
Poster 3: Unbelievable may X have mercy on your soul....
MOD: We don't allow that sort of talk here noob!!!!
**Poster 4 banned**
Poster 1: Anyway... Yeah so X is great...
Poster 2: haha I LOVE X!!!
Poster 3: X! X! X!!!! X!!
It would be FREAKING dull if everyone agreed.. ;\
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WHAT!?! lol... Yes... We wish to eat children and sacrafice all from the Christian forum to Satan our lord master, you now know too much we'll have to remove you...... Seriously, hidden agendas? Get real ;\
I guess we will just let our wild imaginations go crazy.
bruceg
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And the comparative religion sub-board is where that sort of discussion is encouraged - where folks outside a particular faith can question and challenge with some more "pushiness" for lack of a better word. Your example is one that certainly would not happen here - a statement of "I believe Y while you believe X" is hardly a challenge to the inhabitants.... what the walled garden is trying to prevent is the outsider coming in and preaching their religion at the others - "Bobism is so much better than your Bruceism because Bob is 1/2 an inch taller" and that sort of thing.
One of the things I've liked most about this board is that most of the time the discussion has been kept civil and the preaching kept low. There are occasional outbreaks but they are pretty rare.
... Bruce
path_of_one
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I like the walled-garden approach overall.
What I've found is that you are not "kicked out," so to speak of a forum if you are not mainstream, so long as you are respectful. It doesn't mean you can't disagree with others (I think I've more than proven that in my posts), but the walled garden approach does mean that you have to be accepting of other folks' interpretations of that religion. You can defend your position, but you avoid going on the attack.
I like that. I don't think it's boring at all. I know we have lots of lively discussions in the Christianity forum and we have very diverse views. We do not sit around going "Christianity's great!" "Ooo, yes, it is!" There are tons (I daresay unlimited) topics and issues in Christianity to discuss that have always been points of confusion, contention, or just multi-facets and I find that I learn a lot from the variety of views discussed.
The walled garden approach does not, if implemented correctly (which to my experience it has been) preclude people who have a genuine interest in other religions from posting in other sections. But it does make it clear that such posting is to be respectful and for questioning to promote understanding, not arguing or preaching at people. Personally, without it (from what I've seen elsewhere), you degenerate into one huge board of debate and argument and proselytizing, which serves to do nothing but get people ruffled up and defensive. Then, what is the point? You can't learn anything and positive communication is ended.
With a walled garden approach, this is avoided for the most part.
Having studied religion in a secular and comparative context for years now, I would argue that comparative does not mean religious debate. It means providing a means by which people can learn about all the world's religions and compare them- finding the similarities and differences, and theorizing about why they're there. It's a place where we can ask for more information from members of X and Y religion.
And I think we have plenty of opportunities on this forum for interfaith dialogue along debate-ish lines- comparative forum, the politics and society forum, universe and science, etc. etc. often have lively debates from different faith perspectives. Not to mention Belief and Spirituality, which is open to all.
I think it is a good thing to provide the fora that are present- it allows those who wish to simply fellowship and discuss more detailed issues in one religion to have a "home" and those who are all over the place (like myself) to also have a "home."
And, for the record, I see no problem with "Eastern Thoughts." You can't say "Eastern Religions" accurately, since Confucianism, for example, is not a religion. And I would hesitate to say "Eastern Philosophies" to describe Shinto. I guess you could say "Eastern Religions and Philosophies" or "Eastern Traditions," but really, unless you're getting a large number of complaints *from that board* I think it is a nit-picky issue.
What I've found is that you are not "kicked out," so to speak of a forum if you are not mainstream, so long as you are respectful. It doesn't mean you can't disagree with others (I think I've more than proven that in my posts), but the walled garden approach does mean that you have to be accepting of other folks' interpretations of that religion. You can defend your position, but you avoid going on the attack.
I like that. I don't think it's boring at all. I know we have lots of lively discussions in the Christianity forum and we have very diverse views. We do not sit around going "Christianity's great!" "Ooo, yes, it is!" There are tons (I daresay unlimited) topics and issues in Christianity to discuss that have always been points of confusion, contention, or just multi-facets and I find that I learn a lot from the variety of views discussed.
The walled garden approach does not, if implemented correctly (which to my experience it has been) preclude people who have a genuine interest in other religions from posting in other sections. But it does make it clear that such posting is to be respectful and for questioning to promote understanding, not arguing or preaching at people. Personally, without it (from what I've seen elsewhere), you degenerate into one huge board of debate and argument and proselytizing, which serves to do nothing but get people ruffled up and defensive. Then, what is the point? You can't learn anything and positive communication is ended.
With a walled garden approach, this is avoided for the most part.
Having studied religion in a secular and comparative context for years now, I would argue that comparative does not mean religious debate. It means providing a means by which people can learn about all the world's religions and compare them- finding the similarities and differences, and theorizing about why they're there. It's a place where we can ask for more information from members of X and Y religion.
And I think we have plenty of opportunities on this forum for interfaith dialogue along debate-ish lines- comparative forum, the politics and society forum, universe and science, etc. etc. often have lively debates from different faith perspectives. Not to mention Belief and Spirituality, which is open to all.
I think it is a good thing to provide the fora that are present- it allows those who wish to simply fellowship and discuss more detailed issues in one religion to have a "home" and those who are all over the place (like myself) to also have a "home."
And, for the record, I see no problem with "Eastern Thoughts." You can't say "Eastern Religions" accurately, since Confucianism, for example, is not a religion. And I would hesitate to say "Eastern Philosophies" to describe Shinto. I guess you could say "Eastern Religions and Philosophies" or "Eastern Traditions," but really, unless you're getting a large number of complaints *from that board* I think it is a nit-picky issue.
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FlyByNight
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"Eastern Traditions" is a way better title than "Eastern Thoughts".
Anyhoo, for what it is worth I am completely boycotting the whole of the Comparative-Religion forums until they change the title of the "Eastern Thoughts" forum to something more respectful of my culture.
Good luck with whatever it is you are trying to accomplish here.
Anyhoo, for what it is worth I am completely boycotting the whole of the Comparative-Religion forums until they change the title of the "Eastern Thoughts" forum to something more respectful of my culture.
Good luck with whatever it is you are trying to accomplish here.
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I've kind of been fighting saying something about this, but I'm 22 and that means that sometimes my immature urges win over what I know is right...
Please do boycott this site. And kindly take your other persona with you. Brian's IP sleuthing is above what you can defend against.
The walled garden approach…lets see, besides the fact that your corn is blocking the sunlight for my carrots and they seem to be dying because of it …and even though it’s a communal garden… “you” need to put up a fence because this is “my” garden and that’s “yours” . Lets forget the fact that the “weeds” are a problem for all of us and I’ll blame it on the fact that you’re not weeding you’re side of the fence . On top of all that you’re sprinkler is watering my garden when it doesn’t need it and killing my tomatoes (and causing more weeds to appear) . Wouldn’t it be easier to find out what’s the same about our gardens than what’s different .
…and even though it’s a communal garden… “you” need to put up a fence because this is “my” garden and that’s “yours” . Lets forget the fact that the “weeds” are a problem for all of us and I’ll blame it on the fact that you’re not weeding you’re side of the fence . On top of all that you’re sprinkler is watering my garden when it doesn’t need it and killing my tomatoes (and causing more weeds to appear) . Wouldn’t it be easier to find out what’s the same about our gardens than what’s different .Hi sjr.
I once saw an episode of Dharma and Greg where there was a community garden, and it happened just as you described. The pesticides were of particular concern.
Anyway, I do enjoy finding commonalities between different gardens of thought. I also celebrate some of the differences. I joined CR to learn, and I learn in both situations. I just don't appreciate deception, especially when it is employed in order to run ramshackle through and trample the seedlings of understanding, which I think is what happened here recently.
InPeace,
InLove
I once saw an episode of Dharma and Greg where there was a community garden, and it happened just as you described. The pesticides were of particular concern.
Anyway, I do enjoy finding commonalities between different gardens of thought. I also celebrate some of the differences. I joined CR to learn, and I learn in both situations. I just don't appreciate deception, especially when it is employed in order to run ramshackle through and trample the seedlings of understanding, which I think is what happened here recently.
InPeace,
InLove