Pope ready to bow to Allah?!

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Source: The Daily Telegraph
November 27, 2006
Vatican officials announced Sunday that Pope Benedict plans to become just the second pope to enter a mosque when he visits Turkey Tuesday.
In order to be permitted into an Islamic place of worship the pontiff - who has been trying to placate Muslim rage he triggered last September - will have to remove his shoes in deference to the anti-Christian and anti-Jewish religion and its Allah.
Analysts in the Vatican said the purpose of the mosque visit would be to try and build bridges between "Christians" and Muslims.
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BlaznFattyz said:
Source: The Daily Telegraph
November 27, 2006
Vatican officials announced Sunday that Pope Benedict plans to become just the second pope to enter a mosque when he visits Turkey Tuesday.
In order to be permitted into an Islamic place of worship the pontiff - who has been trying to placate Muslim rage he triggered last September - will have to remove his shoes in deference to the anti-Christian and anti-Jewish religion and its Allah.
Analysts in the Vatican said the purpose of the mosque visit would be to try and build bridges between "Christians" and Muslims.
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In Japan, I removed my shoes in deference to the host of the house I entered. That doesn't make me Japanese...:rolleyes:
 
Quahom1 said:
In Japan, I removed my shoes in deference to the host of the house I entered. That doesn't make me Japanese...:rolleyes:
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Removing one's shoes and prostrating oneself in the same way as Muslims do in the mosque, and observing the same rituals is an expression of the fact that one is devoted to that religion.

For the Pope to have to remove his shoes, wash his feet, bow down and prostrate himself when the call is given to the Muslims in the mosque, that would be like losing face, losing honour. It would be very humiliating to the Pontiff.

Sure, God understands, but the most excruciating part is not God's opinion of the Pope, but the opinions of men . . . :confused:
 
I don't see Jesus doing this.

If the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, the representation of Christ on Earth, then to enter into a place of another God apart from the Hebrew God would be blasphemous.

Yeah, yeah, I know, we all worship the same God, right? Riiiiiggggghhhtt!

I wouldn't normally care if Pope Benedict XVI entered the mosque in a personal gesture to ease the current tensions, but the Pope is also representative of millions of Catholic Christians all around the world and is symbolically taking them all with him.

Face it, the Pope made a mistake and feels he needs to rectify the situation, But it's his mistake alone. He is the one who made the quote aboyt Islam, not the millions of Catholics who follow after him.

I think this is another mistake.
 
Saltmeister said:
Removing one's shoes and prostrating oneself in the same way as Muslims do in the mosque, and observing the same rituals is an expression of the fact that one is devoted to that religion.

For the Pope to have to remove his shoes, wash his feet, bow down and prostrate himself when the call is given to the Muslims in the mosque, that would be like losing face, losing honour. It would be very humiliating to the Pontiff.

Sure, God understands, but the most excruciating part is not God's opinion of the Pope, but the opinions of men . . . :confused:
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That is not what the Pope has to do. The article stated he would have to remove his shoes upon entering the Mosque, that was the only thing the article stated.
 
Saltmeister said:
Sure, God understands, but the most excruciating part is not God's opinion of the Pope, but the opinions of men . . . :confused:
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You think so. We can hope he understands but read.

Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying, 2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

So depends on what you actually think about Allah.
 
Dondi said:
I don't see Jesus doing this.

If the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, the representation of Christ on Earth, then to enter into a place of another God apart from the Hebrew God would be blasphemous.

Yeah, yeah, I know, we all worship the same God, right? Riiiiiggggghhhtt!

I wouldn't normally care if Pope Benedict XVI entered the mosque in a personal gesture to ease the current tensions, but the Pope is also representative of millions of Catholic Christians all around the world and is symbolically taking them all with him.

Face it, the Pope made a mistake and feels he needs to rectify the situation, But it's his mistake alone. He is the one who made the quote aboyt Islam, not the millions of Catholics who follow after him.

I think this is another mistake.
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Well said Dondi I could not agree more.
 
is their a fine line between respect and worshipping a foreign god? or are they the same in intent but different in attributes and that's close enough?
 
BlaznFattyz said:
Source: The Daily Telegraph
November 27, 2006
Vatican officials announced Sunday that Pope Benedict plans to become just the second pope to enter a mosque when he visits Turkey Tuesday.
In order to be permitted into an Islamic place of worship the pontiff - who has been trying to placate Muslim rage he triggered last September - will have to remove his shoes in deference to the anti-Christian and anti-Jewish religion and its Allah.
Analysts in the Vatican said the purpose of the mosque visit would be to try and build bridges between "Christians" and Muslims.
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Good Sir,
The religion you refer to to as "anti-Christian, anti-jewish" is none other than the beautiful faith of Islam (which means submission to Allah) and "it's Allah" is none other than your Hebrew Allah.
I suggest you read Six Lessons on Islam before saying that Islam is anti-X.
 
Seeker_of_truth said:
Good Sir,
The religion you refer to to as "anti-Christian, anti-jewish" is none other than the beautiful faith of Islam (which means submission to Allah) and "it's Allah" is none other than your Hebrew Allah.
I suggest you read Six Lessons on Islam before saying that Islam is anti-X.
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You are mis led sir. Allah has nothing to do with the Hebrew god.
 
Seeker_of_truth said:
Good Sir,
The religion you refer to to as "anti-Christian, anti-jewish" is none other than the beautiful faith of Islam (which means submission to Allah) and "it's Allah" is none other than your Hebrew Allah.
I suggest you read Six Lessons on Islam before saying that Islam is anti-X.
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Good Sir,
I didn't say it, i was posting a news article.
 
I think the tragic aspect of the affair is:

1 - That from a 90 minute speech the news media chose to extract a couple of lines which, in isolation, could be read as an attack on Islam – and then posted such to Islamic news agencies (and there is a firm finger pointing at the BBC on that one).

Consider - if someone mentions the excesses of the Crusades, do Christians react in the same manner?

2 - That even though cultural, Christian and notably Islamic academics have said the comment made was nowhere near as inflamatory as people would wish, the fundamentalist element and those with a political agenda will continue to play this up – and the media are complicit in this.

Bearing in mind that on previous occassions Pope Benedict XVI has called on Islam to stand alongside Christianity, (and Judaism and other world religions) in upholding the values of human dignity that are enshrined in our respective doctrines – in the face of their errosion by economic and commercial pressures – where were our media pundits then?

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Perhaps the greatest 'disaster' is the silencing of the intellectual voice of Islam – this is the tradition that gave us Rumi and Ibn'Arabi – today the moderate and thinking voice is silenced by a rabble-rousing fundamentalism.

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The proper response is to rise above all this and make the noble gesture.

Pope Benedict's acknowledgement is such a gesture.

I remember when Pope John XXIII went to Communist Russia, and again the same voices were outraged. When asked what motivated his visit, the Pope replied "whenever I am faced with the brick wall of ignorance and oppression, if I can do anything to loosen one little brick, then maybe one day that wall will fall down."

Thomas
 
As it turns out, it is reported he turned toward Mecca and prayed side by side with the head cleric, five points to the floor, a gesture of submission to G-d (aka Allah in Arabic)

While I think it a wonderful act, regardless of what was said, meant or intended prior...seems an appropriate extension of the past papacy.

Of course in this regard my viewpoint matters very little, as I am not Catholic, I really don't have any right to say whether what their leader did was right or wrong.

But as Christianity as a whole has no other leader in this regard (other than Jesus, who I agree would was right there with the two of them)..it is a grand gesture...one much needed.
 
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