The magic at the core of all religions

Blizzardry

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When I was growing up as a Jehovah's Witness, I used to hear how God's Holy Spirit is working through our congregation and all the other congregations. At assemblies we would get "experiences" told of these half-magic occurrences like far-fetched conversions. I mean some of these were people who had found "The Truth" (i.e. converted) through some bizarre way, like a leaflet being found in a kangaroo's pouch, or like people praying desperately at the exact same time their door was knocked on. All this was cited as "proof" the Holy Spirit was working through our specific religion.

Then I started seeing and hearing people from all the Christian denominations saying stuff like this. "I was going to kill myself and met such-and-such", or someone found a bible in a taxi or something. Every so often you'd hear of epiphanies and moments of clarity followed by a conversion.

Then I noticed that pretty much every religion on the planet had the same thing. My girlfriend told me about all the similar things that went on with her as a Bahai. All this just confirming that it was the True Religion.

In my quest for the truth behind all religions, I tried out Shamanism and Paganism. I was looking for those convincing magic moments that would show me. I had a deck of tarot, some crystals, and tried them out, all with convincing success. I tried the techniques of the Sufi Dervishes, Zen meditation, and shamanic and hindu trance-journeys. I even got heavily into Gospel music.

For a short while, I did the psychedelic trip. Not that I wasn't doing them already, just went all Rock 'n Roll with them. Soaked up the lyrics of hundreds of great songs and blew my mind completely. Then, suddenly, all the things I'd learned manifested themselves in me. Like in the Moody Blues song "a beam of light will fill your head and you'll remember what's been said by every good man this world's ever known". I suddenly found myself loving everybody and everything and being a blissed-out hippy dude.

I met spirits while dancing and had heavy nights puking into the toilet with the spirits standing around me patting my back and telling me to "get it all out". Once I'd cleared out these blacknesses from the pits of my stomach (both spiritual and physical) the spirit people took my body and taught me how to dance. They left me and the ceiling opened up and love and light rained down on me, bringing me to tears and clearing all my past transgressions and guilts by washing me through with love. Subsequent meetings with God were more of a friendly one-to-one relationship than the blubbering mess I'd initially been. Less obstruction.

God kept inviting me up, even when there was no drugs involved. After walking with God for a while, I found wordless conversations happening between me and my girlfriend. At a Long John Baldry/Zoot Money gig, I was actually thrown to my feet to dance by the guitarist who was having similar eye conversations with me and my girlfriend. I laughed and was the only guy dancing. Big Time Operator was fantastic and apparently Baldry spoke very Godlike with his eyes to my Girlfriend.

All this left me feeling very messianic like I was on some mission from God. The heavens had opened, I had had holy spirit poured on me, felt like a pure and holy creature who saw only with God's eyes...

Anyway, nneeeaaawwwnnn... flashbacks (!) I wondered what the differences between my experiences and those of the great figures throughout history. I read loads. Every scripture, sutra and catchprase. Every work of fiction that read the same metaphor. It all pointed to one thing. Nothing in this reality was real, and everything was a dream. The consciousness behind every eyes is the same, and has been called God. Externalising it in a feeling raining down on you, or filling you with Holy Spirit, or even meeting enlightened people and having mind conversations of pure consciousness is still just a mirror for the vast consciousness within my own mind.

That's when I decided that my own internal self (which is still God) can fully understand the dream it's dreaming just by knowing it's all a dream. I had fully woken up to my own existence from within it. I was lucid dreaming with reality.

I also drew the conclusion that this could also be just the product of a deranged or altered mind, but then so could all religious experience. I've actually had enough coincidental happenings to be enough for me to believe, and even if not, taking the leap of faith has never done me wrong. My I Ching remains uncannily on the ball, and I know my Barnum. Not that you could ever pollute something as lucid as the scientific method with all that spiritual stuff. It's just personal experience.

For all my journeys, I feel remarkably sane. I'm not addicted to anything, I enjoy all life's pleasures in moderation, have career and family plans that all seem to be going right, music and love flowing from my fingertips...

So I still get confused when I ask a Pentacostal what Rumi thought he was feeling and if it was the same thing. Or the lyrics of Slippery People and Spinning Top by XTC. Take Me I'm Yours by Squeeze. Or Buddha. Or Krisna. Jesus. Mohammed. We're all looking at the same world with the same eyes.

Even if all we've ever felt is the love and warmth of a small meeting of like-minded individuals, it's still a magic that keeps us in our faith. In my opinion, it's just a shame we can't all see through our cultural differences and the metaphors that we create to explain the unexplainable. But if that's my dream, I might as well dream it! It's not easy, but where's the satisfaction in easy? For is it not written "Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see"...
 
So there you are running along making sense and then this:

I met spirits while dancing and had heavy nights puking into the toilet with the spirits standing around me patting my back and telling me to "get it all out". Once I'd cleared out these blacknesses from the pits of my stomach (both spiritual and physical) the spirit people took my body and taught me how to dance. They left me and the ceiling opened up and love and light rained down on me, bringing me to tears and clearing all my past transgressions and guilts by washing me through with love. Subsequent meetings with God were more of a friendly one-to-one relationship than the blubbering mess I'd initially been. Less obstruction.

God kept inviting me up, even when there was no drugs involved. After walking with God for a while, I found wordless conversations happening between me and my girlfriend. At a Long John Baldry/Zoot Money gig, I was actually thrown to my feet to dance by the guitarist who was having similar eye conversations with me and my girlfriend. I laughed and was the only guy dancing. Big Time Operator was fantastic and apparently Baldry spoke very Godlike with his eyes to my Girlfriend.

Spare us the cryptic poetry. I bet it is quite easy to explain what you mean in plain speaking. Come on spell it all out.
 
This isn't cryptic poetry! It's my pathetic attempts to describe the experiences I've had :(

I was talking about psychic experiences. Sometimes while dancing, or tripping, or meditation, and also while going to gigs. The gig in question was a weird one. For some reason about a quarter of the audience left, leaving a huge gap between us and the band, and we both had very intense psychic communication with these 60's heroes of ours.

The one you mentioned before was about a gnostic journey to God/Buddha experiences. I was in my living room at home, and also some sort of desert, surrounded by people. I was able to give myself up to them, and they physically moved my body to teach me to dance, and during the dance, I felt dark feelings from my past and guilt and sin rising up through me until I was sick. But being sick felt like part of the healing/rebirth experience. It was very strange, being in two worlds at once.
 
Have you ever read Williams James' The Varieties of Religious Experience? (Click here) You might find it interesting in light of the various experiences you have had.

Also, reading the experiences of Harold Storm, an athiest who had a near death experience chronicled in his book My Descent Into Death (with a forward by Anne Rice, no less). One of the quotes that has made a profound impression was when during his NDE Storm asked which is the best religion and the reply came back was, "The best religion is the religion that brings you closest to God."

Magic is a term that has all kinds of connotations. In several religions it has a decidedly negative tone to it, relating to the black arts and witchcraft. Perhaps a better word would be supernatural. That is a term I can agree with. When we use the term surpernatural, we are talking about something that is behind the scenes, as it were. Phenomena that we cannot fully explain due to the elusiveness of having physical properties. I'm inclined to believe that there are forces behind the scenes that have direct or indirect influences on our lives. Some are benevolent, some are malicious. Some are even deceptive, such that it is hard to discern that with is trying to help and that which is trying to harm. So one has to be careful how one approaches the unseen world.
 
I was in my living room at home, and also some sort of desert, surrounded by people. ... It was very strange, being in two worlds at once.

Sounds like a bunch of hokey b.s. to me. Rather like the early head trip the shaman laid on Carlos Casteneda (His later books read like horror stories).

Honestly I really doubt your sincerity. If I had to guess I would say your one of those opportunistic flesh eaters that hang around the hippy movement looking for unconditional cooperators to feed on.

But hey maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you really do believe you were in two worlds at the same time. Like I said before I doubt it. You seem to smart for that.
 
Sounds like a bunch of hokey b.s. to me. Rather like the early head trip the shaman laid on Carlos Casteneda (His later books read like horror stories).

Honestly I really doubt your sincerity. If I had to guess I would say your one of those opportunistic flesh eaters that hang around the hippy movement looking for unconditional cooperators to feed on.

But hey maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you really do believe you were in two worlds at the same time. Like I said before I doubt it. You seem to smart for that.


Wow, Blizzardry, does it feel like someone ran a 2 x 4 upside your head, or what? And this by some newbie who comes right out of the blue.

Why do you doubt Blizz's sincerity, FlyByNight? Who are you to judge what he experienced? He's only trying to tell his story, why not give him the benefit of the doubt. You so cynical.

And even if you do doubt his sincerity, that's no cause to get nasty. This forum a place for meaningful discussion, not to bag someone's motives when you don't even know the person.

Ease off, man!
 
Kindest Regards, Dondi!
Have you ever read Williams James' The Varieties of Religious Experience? (Click here) You might find it interesting in light of the various experiences you have had.
Thanks for the link to some William James! I rank that guy up there with Jung and Campbell on the subject of religion.

P.S., thanks for sticking up for Blizzard. :D
 
While magic in some circles has bad connotations...

Me thinks most of us know what the 'magic' is that is at the core of all religions.

and having a personal experience is key...
 
Greetings Blizzardry,

I for one can relate to what you say. Doesn't sound like BS to me. Sounds to me you listen more to experience than the teachings of man, and rightfully so. Eventually one will end up with a clearer understanding that way but not much outside agreement will be found. Best Wishes on your journey. ( I know you are not going anywhere... just a figure of speech)

Love in Christ,
JM
 
Blizzardry:

Mystical journeys and experiences are often scary and can change the direction of your life forever. Many of us here have had that happen to us, and in the long run we are all better for it. And when these things happen, at least in my experiences, they usually make your life much more difficult. I liken it to G-d talking to us in special ways. You are compelled to alter your life agendas as a result. Thanks for being so open with us...and FBN a suggestion for you...back off.

flow....;)
 
Yeah, but have you seen the Doo Dah Man? I met up with him one summer night in a wheat field in southern Illinois. Fireflys hovered, shimmering across the twighlight landscape, and later, after dark, I danced and watched my giant shadow illuminated against the dark tree line that bordered the field. I found out what it's like when your consciousness separates from your body, and spent the rest of the night chasing it. Nothing has been the same since.

Chris
 
I met spirits while dancing and had heavy nights puking into the toilet with the spirits standing around me patting my back and telling me to "get it all out". Once I'd cleared out these blacknesses from the pits of my stomach (both spiritual and physical) the spirit people took my body and taught me how to dance. They left me and the ceiling opened up and love and light rained down on me, bringing me to tears and clearing all my past transgressions and guilts by washing me through with love. Subsequent meetings with God were more of a friendly one-to-one relationship than the blubbering mess I'd initially been. Less obstruction.

God kept inviting me up, even when there was no drugs involved.


No offense inteded (honestly)... though this sounds like many experiences peopele have under the influence of drugs.
 
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