I see Brian Robertson has his wonderful Christian mystics site redesigned & worth a visit:
Christian Mystics
have a merry Christmas, earl
Christian Mystics
have a merry Christmas, earl
I see Brian Robertson has his wonderful Christian mystics site redesigned & worth a visit:
Christian Mystics
have a merry Christmas, earl
Mention anything positive there re Christianity & the fundamentalist, neo-con buddhists among that bunch rip it.
Actually Snoopy, there are several traditionally taught marks of skillful speech in the Buddhist tradition, among them the questions whether the words are true & whether they are skllful to furthering a truthful view. In those regards, I'd not a change a word of what I said given what I've observed at that forum throughout the 2-3 years I've hung out there & the point I was attempting to make re fundamentalist thought. Is it that you believe Buddhists are immune from fundamentalism? In fact alot of the traditional Zen writings related to admonishments among their practitioners not to become concrete literalists and that is exactly my point re fundamentalism in any tradition. take care, earlHi,
I'm guessing that doesn't qualify as skilful speech.
s.
Hmm, I wonder how this relates to the idea that those abused when young grow up to become abusers, themselves? Perhaps a review of Dhammapada 1:1-5 would be helpful to these folks?To add a post-script to that which again relates to fundamentalism-this time on the Christian side, what I've observed among those aforementioned Buddhist posters, (& by all means I'm not implying all posters there looked at it that way), is it seemed that the vitriolic ones were converts to Buddhism coming out of backgrounds that were nominally Christian but who spoke of their experiences as being judged and rejected by those of significance personally to them, using Christian viewpoints/terminology-i.e., they felt burned by Christian fundamentalism. The irony was that due to their pain of being victims of Christian fundamentalism, (I mean that in the negative sense of the word & realize their are multiple meanings of that term), they became fundamentalist Buddhist persecutors of those who would come to that forum who entertained any theistic or pro-Christian views. Again my view is that at the mystical or essential core of all religions we find what brings out the best in humanity and at its "outer" or surface fringes, its wrappings of dogma, its least essential aspects (IMO), we find much pain being doled out to self and others that has little to really do with the central messages of most religions and which unfortunately is where so many people get stuck. Well enough of that soapbox for now. earl
Actually Snoopy, there are several traditionally taught marks of skillful speech in the Buddhist tradition, among them the questions whether the words are true & whether they are skllful to furthering a truthful view. In those regards, I'd not a change a word of what I said given what I've observed at that forum throughout the 2-3 years I've hung out there & the point I was attempting to make re fundamentalist thought. Is it that you believe Buddhists are immune from fundamentalism?