Christianity used as a tool of oppression?

zaim187 said:
Many people use this argument to show how other religions are bad or evil. However Christianity has killed in every continent and acts of genocide were regularly commited by Christians. So how can this religion be peaceful? Now
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It is very easy. Inspect fruits of the person......Just cause someone claims a name does not mean a thing.

If a religion teaches something and a person claims it and does just the opposite that shows they are using the name only.
If a religion teaches what that person is doing then you can say that followers of that religion is a certain way.
 
I agree that Christianity has a dark history, but Christianity is not a violent religion in and of itself. I think politics played a big role in its history, and still does to a degree today. Still, The true Christian message, is about Love, forgiveness, and peace. It is man who defiles its principles, and goes against the very root of its purpose. You can't lump all of Christianity together because of infractions made in the past by callous peoples claiming conquest in its name. People have been using God to justify their actions for thousands of years, but it is man who's to blame...not God, or Christianity.

Love,
 
Dor said:
If a religion teaches something and a person claims it and does just the opposite that shows they are using the name only.
If a religion teaches what that person is doing then you can say that followers of that religion is a certain way.
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It appears to me that the bible and the Koran are written such that so many people can take the scripture they choose and either beat the drum with it or raise the olive branch with it.

Tisn't hard to find where Mohamed or Jesus preach love and tolerance. Also isn't hard to find scripture that indicates otherwise.

Hence both sides have gone to war using scripture to bolster the troops.

And both sides have thier KKK and Al Queda, that use scripture to divide and conquer.

And both sides have their sects which preach peace...
 
wil said:
It appears to me that the bible and the Koran are written such that so many people can take the scripture they choose and either beat the drum with it or raise the olive branch with it.

Tisn't hard to find where Mohamed or Jesus preach love and tolerance. Also isn't hard to find scripture that indicates otherwise.

Hence both sides have gone to war using scripture to bolster the troops.

And both sides have thier KKK and Al Queda, that use scripture to divide and conquer.

And both sides have their sects which preach peace...
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from the christian pov, can you give examples of these misinterpretations of scripture and how they were applied?
 
Dor said:
OK I call bull on that statement.
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I very honestly can say that it was not my intention to offend just to ask a serious question. A question which most people have answered. Again I apologise if anybody was offended. I just cannot get my head round the fact that the religion of Christianity was abused to support White Europeans conquering of the planet and killing "savages". In history it is very easy to see how Christianity was used as a tool to conquer the worlds and slaughter mostly non-white inhabitants of other countries.
 
Quahom1 said:
Really? And the expansionism of the Moors and the Islamic state were not and are not as extraordinary? Please. The manifest destiny of Islam is not extraordinary? When confronted by Muslims I am given three choices. Convert to Islam, become subjugated, or die...guess what, there is always another choice...

Do not tell me, I don't know what I am talking about. I lived with Arab Muslims for 18 years of my life. The moderates pose no problem, true. But then the moderates are not the issue we face today, now are they.

And I thought Muslims did not consider sin...after all, they don't seem to regard their own scripture with any authority. Maybe in non Arab lands Muslims do, but in Arab lands, the old ways come first, the Qu'ran second. Isn't that right... yes it is. And the old ways are full of violence, and torture and death. And that is right in one's own home.

Before you talk to Christians about the speck in their eye, consider getting the beam out of your own.

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Joshua
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I am not talking about Islam but Christianity. Why do you feel it necessary to compare to Islam the acts of Christianity to make it less wrong. A wrong act is a wrong act no matter who is the perpetrator.
 
zaim187 said:
Hopefully I have not offended anybody with this thread as it was not my intention.



Many people use this argument to show how other religions are bad or evil. However Christianity has killed in every continent and acts of genocide were regularly commited by Christians. So how can this religion be peaceful? Now
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When? Now? Today? For the past 60 years? Who is killing whom enmass in the name of God? Who Zaim?

This generation is yours and mine. Yet so much death has happened within such a short span of time, in the name of God. Our fathers and forefathers aren't dying my friend...we and our children are...when does it end?

When the last man is standing? I don't think Allah had that in mind.

"I am here God". and God asks, "Where is the rest of your brethren?"

No, Christians have grown up...when will the Muslims do the same...
 
zaim187 said:
I very honestly can say that it was not my intention to offend just to ask a serious question. A question which most people have answered. Again I apologise if anybody was offended. I just cannot get my head round the fact that the religion of Christianity was abused to support White Europeans conquering of the planet and killing "savages". In history it is very easy to see how Christianity was used as a tool to conquer the worlds and slaughter mostly non-white inhabitants of other countries.
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I can't believe the "Moors" swept Europe either. But it happened.
 
zaim187 said:
I am not talking about Islam but Christianity. Why do you feel it necessary to compare to Islam the acts of Christianity to make it less wrong. A wrong act is a wrong act no matter who is the perpetrator.
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Why are you singling out Christianity?
 
wil said:
I can't really see how the KKK could be Christian, do you? Check out their website
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you said kkk uses scripture to divide and conquer and scripture is used to bolster troops.. and i was asking you to give an example of this misinterpretation of scripture and how it was applied. i think you are trying to draw parallels with christianity and islam, but i'm not following you, especially when you don't give examples.
 
zaim187 said:
I very honestly can say that it was not my intention to offend just to ask a serious question. A question which most people have answered. Again I apologise if anybody was offended. I just cannot get my head round the fact that the religion of Christianity was abused to support White Europeans conquering of the planet and killing "savages". In history it is very easy to see how Christianity was used as a tool to conquer the worlds and slaughter mostly non-white inhabitants of other countries.
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i believe a few Spanish priests from Latin Europe truly came to spread the gospel and upon finding the new land, the power hungry politicians and soldiers were under different orders to conquer the people and rape the land of it's gold, and create military outposts, and to expand the empire for themselves or for the king and justify it with religion. i don't find that hard to believe, man has been warring for these reasons since the beginning of time. do you honestly have a hard time with that? or are you just bent on the condemnation of something for some reason.
 
Quahom1 said:
Why are you singling out Christianity?
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Because I believe that the followers of this religion have completely abused the laws of the religion and caused misery throughout the world. I have no problem with Christianity apart from that it is presented as a peaceful religion when in reality it is not.
 
zaim187 said:
Because I believe that the followers of this religion have completely abused the laws of the religion and caused misery throughout the world. I have no problem with Christianity apart from that it is presented as a peaceful religion when in reality it is not.
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I see it as peaceful, which means it IS for me, as well as for most Christians. You disagree because you see its history, and abuse of power, which is, btw, present in other religions also. Namely Islam, but I won't judge an entire religion because a few radicals abuse its teachings. When is the last time you heard of a major Christian atrosity?

You focus too much on the past, and ignore the present altogether, zaim. Why? The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and as a whole, in present times, Christianity is a VERY peacful religion. Open your eyes...


Love,
 
Cage said:
I see it as peaceful, which means it IS for me, as well as for most Christians. You disagree because you see its history, and abuse of power, which is, btw, present in other religions also. Namely Islam, but I won't judge an entire religion because a few radicals abuse its teachings. When is the last time you heard of a major Christian atrosity?

You focus too much on the past, and ignore the present altogether, zaim. Why? The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and as a whole, in present times, Christianity is a VERY peacful religion. Open your eyes...


Love,
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16 November 1982 when Christian Militia entered sabra and shatilla refugee camp in the Beirut.
I have the utmost respect for Christians and Christianity. I just do not agree that it is a religion of peace.
 
zaim187 said:
16 November 1982 when Christian Militia entered sabra and shatilla refugee camp in the Beirut.
I have the utmost respect for Christians and Christianity. I just do not agree that it is a religion of peace.
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and I have the utmost respect for Muslims, but you're focusing now on Christian 'radicals'...most every religion has them.

Christian 'Malitia'? Cmon...nowhere in the NT does Christ even suggest we take up arms and destroy our enemies. I'm offended at such groups, as they give this peacful, Loving, forgiving religion a very bad name...

Like I siad, you can't bunch all Christians under your catogory of Non-peacefuls. Likewise you cannot, or should not, bunch all of Christianity in this manner, either. If you truly believe that Christianity is a non peacful religion, then I can't, and won't try to change your mind, but if this is truly the case, then you are sadly mistaken I'm afraid. I'll leave you to you endeavor, and bid you peace....


Much Love,
 
zaim187 said:
Because I believe that the followers of this religion have completely abused the laws of the religion and caused misery throughout the world. I have no problem with Christianity apart from that it is presented as a peaceful religion when in reality it is not.
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So the truth comes out it was posted strictly to offend.
 
i fail to see how asking a serious question, which the majority of posters have answered seriously is offensive to anybody.
 
zaim187 said:
i fail to see how asking a serious question, which the majority of posters have answered seriously is offensive to anybody.
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The question was answered in post #2, that was sufficient. There is not a single verse in the new testament which any Christian can use to justify man comitting atrocities against his fellow man. Not a single word spoken by Jesus or the apostles ever encouraged the use of violence. Yet we still have those who will insist that Christianity was at fault, when in fact it was the people who were at fault.

zaim187 said:
I have no problem with Christianity apart from that it is presented as a peaceful religion when in reality it is not.
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Even after 3 pages of perfectly adequate responses you won't change your opinion... It just doesn't seem like you came here looking for answers...
 
aburaees said:
The question was answered in post #2, that was sufficient. There is not a single verse in the new testament which any Christian can use to justify man comitting atrocities against his fellow man. Not a single word spoken by Jesus or the apostles ever encouraged the use of violence. Yet we still have those who will insist that Christianity was at fault, when in fact it was the people who were at fault.

Even after 3 pages of perfectly adequate responses you won't change your opinion... It just doesn't seem like you came here looking for answers...
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good call and nicely said.
 
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