Philosophy Phun

[seattlegal]

Well, yeah...

And it's always that. Duality and unity. But we exist in the middle: knowing good from evil, or, being able to experience both but never at the same time. And Shroedinger's cat isn't really a cat at all. It's an analogy about how things might be in the quantum world. But what's really a trip is trying to wrap your mind around what the Newtonian reality might look like from the quantum perspective, because that point of view can't exist (theoretically) without the other either. So, you might say that the 3D illusion is necessary for the other dimensions to exist, which kinda implies an essential delusion in the framework of human consciousness. Woohoo!

Chris

We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds; our planet is the mental institution of the universe.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe​

 

[flowperson]

We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds; our planet is the mental institution of the universe.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe​

Yep, yep, yep, yup, yup, yup, cackle, cackle, cackle, snort, snort, snort, grunt, grunt, grunt...let's see...where was I ? Oh...yeah...I was watching Schroedinger's cat have kittens.

Which also reminds me that this appeared on the NYTIMES website yesterday. Today's crazies are tomorrow's heros sometimes.

www.nytimes.com/2007/01/26/arts/design/26rami.html?pagewanted=all

flow....

 

[Snoopy]

Hi,

Mental health is a reflection of the environment, both as individuals and societies.

s.

 

[17th Angel]

I have mental issues... ;/ I guess I am a "today crazy"...

 

[cyberpi]

Is it still the same ship?

No. The 'certainty' principle again: No two particles, waves, and no permutations thereof are the 'same'. Every particle, wave, and permutation or collection of them are unique. Calling any two waves, particles, permutations, collections, arrangements, or groups of them the SAME, or absolutely equivalent, is to either tell a lie, to ignore a difference, or to remain ignorant of a 'ship-load' of information. Absolute equalities may exist as fiction in the imaginations of the logical or mathematical, but do NOT exist in the real physical world.

Assuming a true story on the ship, both the original ship and the cannibalized version still exist in this universe.

For the physicist: No two particles or waves can occupy the same space AND the same momentum simultaneously. That is the certainty.

Corrollary: If another ship was built from the pieces replaced, which ship is the rightful Ship of Theseus?

Any ship that Theseus has willingly designed, built, or sailed, or that others willingly designed, built, or sailed per his will, as the will of others allow and subject to the laws or agreements that Theseus has jointly made... in my opinion. Regardless of what is right, as someone once told me... possession is 9/10ths.

 

[cyberpi]

Nope. The act of remembering is a creative process. (Sorta like rebuilding the ship?)

There are many examples of deterministic memory devoid of any creativity. The effect is a memory of the cause in a causal, non-creative process.

 

[Caimanson]

Lets put it this way, if it has more original parts it has a higher value in the antiques market!
You pay more for the sentimental value of owning history.