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Just had Deja Vu while looking at the site index. Couldn't tap into it, though - it was gone as quickly as it appeared. Only had a sense of change - but isn;t Deja Vu always associated with that?

Anyway - could Deja Vu be a real glimpse of the future? Or is it an experience of self-delusion?
 
Namaste brian,

maybe it's our primative brain responding to the wave form collapse... somehow sensing it?

eh... there was a time when i had frequent Deja Vu experiences... those seem to come much less now... but when they do.. they last for quite a while... on the span of a few minutes at least...
 
Kindest Regards!

"could Deja Vu be a real glimpse of the future? Or is it an experience of self-delusion?"

I certainly hope it is not self-delusion, or else I'm in deep doo-doo!

That is a component of spirit that we (collectively) have not been able to fully explain to any serious degree of satisfaction. The thinking, rational side of me would doubt the concept without further proof, yet my personal experiences demonstrate to my satisfaction that it exists. And I cannot explain it to someone who has not shared similar experiences. It shouldn't exist, yet it does. So we have yet another quandary.
 
I like Vajradhara's idea. There've been some intriguing studies that show we react on a purely subconscious/unconscious level to sensory input a fraction of a second *before* that input exists--just before a disturbing photograph is flashed on a screen in front of us, for instance. Some have speculated that this has to do with collapsing waveforms, as Vaj suggests--that the waves travel through time, both forward and backward.

Other otions: sometimes we pick up on information "leaking" across from a parallel universe, again because our participation as an observer is necessary to create the branching of the metaverse. And, of course, there's that old standby, we're reacting to a past life or higher-life memory.

One other concept that's been batted around: in a quantum sense, we are all entangled with one another and with the universe; we literally are one, as the sages have always claimed. Sometimes we get flashes of that oneness--picking up on someone else's thoughts, or something that hasn't happened yet. Since this is a nonlocal phenomenon, it happens with no time delay. When the actual event finally reaches our awareness through more traditional modes, we experience a flash of having seen this or been here already through some type of neurological resonance.
 
So many intrigues, so little time...!


Allow me to begin by saying I value each of your views greatly. But if I may be allowed some input...

"maybe it's our primative brain responding to the wave form collapse... somehow sensing it?"

"I like Vajradhara's idea. There've been some intriguing studies that show we react on a purely subconscious/unconscious level to sensory input a fraction of a second *before* that input exists--just before a disturbing photograph is flashed on a screen in front of us, for instance. Some have speculated that this has to do with collapsing waveforms, as Vaj suggests--that the waves travel through time, both forward and backward."

If I am to understand the "Tao of Physics" correctly, components of atoms are able to shift in time. As these components are by definition quite small, those time shifts are also quite small, on the order of nanoseconds. This might account for the precognition WHKeith implies, but it does not account for my dreams being weeks, months, or as much as a year in advance of the actual happening. Even so, are these "time" shifts a natural occurrence, or are they the direct result of the experimental collisions? If particles react as waves, I am inclined to think there would be few, and only in certain circumstances, that would oppose the flow thereby gaining access to the conditions to shift in time. And even if the atomics themselves could be related to storybooks, say "little red riding hood" and "the three bears", the collisions would necessarily scramble the coded letters and present an unreadable text. My precognitive dreams are not scrambled. They are very condensed, that is, brief. But they are quite explicit.

"Other otions: sometimes we pick up on information "leaking" across from a parallel universe, again because our participation as an observer is necessary to create the branching of the metaverse. And, of course, there's that old standby, we're reacting to a past life or higher-life memory."

But this is answering a question with a question, answering a supposition with a supposition. Parallel universes are a mathematical supposition, which by their nature cannot be proven. Just as spirit cannot, by its nature, be proven.

As for past-life or other-life memory (no offense intended whatsoever) suppositions, why would I even see, let alone pass on, images of relevence to me here now, that are likely irrelevent there and then? For example, in the one dream I was specifically driving in my specific car and stopped at a specific stop sign beside a specific railroad track, specifically to make a right turn. As a dream, it was insignificant. Months later, as I was attending driving school to become a long distance truck (lorry) driver, I chanced upon that exact same specific scenario. It was a time of significant change in my life (as my dreams have to this point always foretold). Such a specific message would have no significance to any other life at any other time. Why would my WWII German grunt past life, for example, be driving a specific make and model car not even made yet to a stop sign in Florida? Or why would my futuristic nom de plume bother to relay such triviality back to me? And the time lag involved precludes parallelism.

"One other concept that's been batted around: in a quantum sense, we are all entangled with one another and with the universe; we literally are one, as the sages have always claimed. Sometimes we get flashes of that oneness--picking up on someone else's thoughts, or something that hasn't happened yet. Since this is a nonlocal phenomenon, it happens with no time delay. When the actual event finally reaches our awareness through more traditional modes, we experience a flash of having seen this or been here already through some type of neurological resonance."

I can relate to the web of one idea, and am inclined to go along. But that still would require an immediate sense of precognition. It has yet to address genuine precognition, that is, on the order of prophecy. Whether wave or web, the reaction is almost immediate. These do not consider cognition across expanses of time.

Let me close by saying I appreciate all three of you, very much. I, Brian, Vajrhadhara, and WHKeith, you are all among my favorite contributors. But I must return to my statement, "It shouldn't exist, yet it does. So we have yet another quandary."
 
Kindest Regards, Susma,
Susma Rio Sep said:
Dear Juan, please do to see offense with what I am going to say here:

You mean that you do experience pre-cognitive dreams and deja vu sightings. I envy you, because I have been trying to master this kind of a skill, hoping that it might serve for my entertainment on the safe side, or for my gainful purpose on the more serious side.
I do experience pre-cognitive dreams from time to time. I have always called it "deja vu", but if I understand correctly, that is not the common understanding of the term. I have not sought this gift, nor do I attempt to develop it. I do not seek it, in any way. I have my reasons, perhaps another day. They are not "entertainment", and certainly not for profit, but have always been markers for significant moments in my life.

What I would really appreciate is whether your 'gifts' if I may call them are in those directions, and whether you can train others to acquire and use them. Or do they just happen to you and you can't control them for any useful purposes, like entertainment and yes to make money
I consider it a gift, and that corresponds very well with how I view the matter. I do not ask, yet it is given. I cannot "train" another, especially since I do not understand it myself. There is no ritual, no rhyme, no reason. There is nothing I consciously do to bring it about. It happens when it happens, and I never know when that will be. And frankly, I am comfortable with it that way.

My own impression is that such pre-cognitive or deja-vue if they be convincing experience appear not to be in the service of beneficial purposes for mundane daily life and work.
This is a fair assessment in my particular instance. My dreams are not about mundane things. I do not control or manipulate them. They do not come at my will. And they have not ever dealt with money or material possessions. As the prophet Joel said: "Your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions." It is in this vein I believe them to occur.

I think the Catholic padre will right away dismiss any guardian angel as the instrument of your pre-cognitive and deja-vu encounters. More likely quantum physics if one must choose an alternative. In which case then science must be able to master it and control it one day, or at least to know its working and take advantage of such a knowledge.
Susma Rio Sep
Catholic Padres diss me all the time. That's OK with me, the feeling is mutual. What I was hoping to learn from Mr. Keith was his opinion in light of his statement(s) concerning "guardians" (I believe that was the term) influencing dreams. My statement to you equates (in my mind) "guardian" with the Christian concept "guardian angel". I don't know that I have one, if I do I certainly don't know a name or face, and I am woefully ignorant as to who or what "it" may be. On the other hand, I also have trouble reconciling my dreams with the quantum physics ideas presented here, because of the time factors.

I don't wish to seem closed minded, but I don't buy into "past-life" explanations. Parallel universe concepts to me seem a fun exercise in possibilities, but ultimately seem a futile exercise in mathematics. Multiple dimensions do not seem to explain the concept to my satisfaction for similar reasons. When all is said and done, rational explanations to this point have fallen short. I know what I know, that is, my dreams happen. But I am at a total loss in rationally explaining why. I accept spirit to a point because of personal experience, beyond that I too am a scientifically minded person in that I need proof. Some of these concepts simply (and meant quite politely) have not been proven to me. In my humble opinion, they seem to me more matters of faith than fact.
 
I get deja-vu a great deal, though it seems to differ slightly from most other people's experiences with it:

When I have 'deja-vu', it lasts several minutes and I dont so much have an blink of it, I see the moment/deja-vu through until the memory is over. When experiencing deja-vu I remember dreaming the moment in the past, often quite accurately - I will remember, sometimes years in the past when I was a child, waking up and thinking "what an odd dream, why on earth would be doing a-b-c". it's interesting not only from the deja-vu point of view, but because it's such a strong insight into how I thought and felt when I was a child and dreamed that specific moment, like I'm 8-or-9 all over again!

I hope I explained that alright, I'm awful at explaining things to others...!

I seem to be lucky in that 90% of my dreams are very lucid, expecially during times of stress, I've found.

Anyone have any thoughts on that, or if I may be able to steer it towards a purpose?

There seem, in my experience, to be few theories on it compared to many other things (e.g. out-of-body-experiences). I wonder that is.
 
Existence of deja vu...

Juan writes in an earlier post:

Let me close by saying I appreciate all three of you, very much. I, Brian, Vajrhadhara, and WHKeith, you are all among my favorite contributors. But I must return to my statement, "It shouldn't exist, yet it does. So we have yet another quandary."

It might be profitable for the advancement of our knowledge in regard to the working of human nature to study deja vus from the following standpoints:

1. Deja vu means already seen, what kind of seeing are we talking about here: opthalmological seeing with the physical eye or what?

2. What is being seen in deja vu: things present like what is now appearing on the monitor's screen as you type, or things in your mind?

3. If things actually present before your seeing eyes, then they are not deja vu but again vu or similarly to past vu?

4. If things in the mind, was it during sleep in dreams or during waking hours with the impression that you have seen this vu before?

5. In a way, everything that we see now in waking hours or in sleep during dreams or in a flash in our mind, is deja vu; otherwise how would we even recognize it to be a vu something? Wouldn't it be then something definitely never been vu before?

Deja vu is good entertainment with its wonder-ful amazing features that make us feel that we are witnessing something special, but I suspect even dogs and cats have them.

Susma Rio Sep
 
Susma Rio Sep said:
Juan writes in an earlier post:
Deja vu is good entertainment with its wonder-ful amazing features that make us feel that we are witnessing something special, but I suspect even dogs and cats have them.

Susma Rio Sep
That's a bit depressing isn't it?
Surely though, the same could be said for out-of-body-experiences for all we know. Bit negative that.
 
There are some who think that Deja-Vu is mental vision of having been in that exact place in a past life. They think of it as proof of past life regression etc. Since the world is as a broken record in that we repeat our exact lives over and over every 2,000 years or so, and even the same people and events take place. (example: If you broke your nose in an auto accident, you likely broke your nose in a chariot or wagon accident in your past life.)

Personally, I think that Deja-Vu is no more than a vague recollection from childhood memory of a similar event.
 
Archangel said:
(example: If you broke your nose in an auto accident, you likely broke your nose in a chariot or wagon accident in your past life.)
Ah - but then, how did the first nose get broken? Isn't this a little "chicken and the egg"?

Archangel said:
Personally, I think that Deja-Vu is no more than a vague recollection from childhood memory of a similar event.
I had a strong deja-vu last week - I was on the internet setting up hosting accounts, repairing a forum, and also doing some Search Engine Optimisation in another window (I thrive on multi-tasking :) ).

Funny thing was, the deja-vu seemed to be from years ago, and I simply hadn't understood it - it was from the days before I ever had a home PC, let alone the internet and the various specialised tasks I do on it now. So no wonder it hadn't made sense at the time. :)
 
Then...to further confuse...
every event in the past and future lives is the reverse of the very first life. :D

(Actual theory BTW).
 
Archangel said:
Then...to further confuse...
every event in the past and future lives is the reverse of the very first life. :D

(Actual theory BTW).
I think we've been this way in earlier discussions on this forum of time not existing. :)
 
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