Satan is winning?

[niranjan]

"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that G-d is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"
1 John 1:5,6

But I heard that God is omnipresent. Doesn't that logically mean that God is also satan.

Also satan was also created by God, so you can also say that Satan is the son of God, just like the rest of us.

 

[Faithfulservant]

But I heard that God is omnipresent. Doesn't that logically mean that God is also satan.

Also satan was also created by God, so you can also say that Satan is the son of God, just like the rest of us.

no. Only Jesus is the Son of God.. Those grafted into the branch which is Christ are adopted Sons and Daughters of God.. Not just anyone can claim that inheritance.

omnipresent.. let me quote a scripture that defines it.

Psalm 139:7-12

Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, Even there Your hand shall lead me, And Your right hand shall hold me. If I say, "Surely the darkness shall fall on me," Even the night shall be light about me; Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You, But the night shines as the day; The darkness and the light are both alike to You.

 

[niranjan]

no. Only Jesus is the Son of God.. Those grafted into the branch which is Christ are adopted Sons and Daughters of God.. Not just anyone can claim that inheritance.

omnipresent.. let me quote a scripture that defines it.

Psalm 139:7-12

Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, Even there Your hand shall lead me, And Your right hand shall hold me. If I say, "Surely the darkness shall fall on me," Even the night shall be light about me; Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You, But the night shines as the day; The darkness and the light are both alike to You.

So are you saying that I am not a son of God.

 

[Quahom1]

But I heard that God is omnipresent. Doesn't that logically mean that God is also satan.

Also satan was also created by God, so you can also say that Satan is the son of God, just like the rest of us.

The logic here is good, but lacking some steps, therefore could be construed as flawed.

The omnipresense and omnicience and omnipotence of God, prohibits God from being satan. Satan is a created being. God is not.

Satan is quite literally a son of God, but since the title "The Son of God" is reserved for only one being, satan can not assume such title.

v/r

Joshua

 

[niranjan]

The logic here is good, but lacking some steps, therefore could be construed as flawed.

The omnipresense and omnicience and omnipotence of God, prohibits God from being satan. Satan is a created being. God is not.

Satan is quite literally a son of God, but since the title "The Son of God" is reserved for only one being, satan can not assume such title.

v/r

Joshua

And do you guys have a patent on the title " The Son of God " . I mean I sometimes refer to myself and others as sons of God. I wonder if I will be sued for this .

 

[Quahom1]

And do you guys have a patent on the title " The Son of God " . I mean I sometimes refer to myself and others as sons of God. I wonder if I will be sued for this .

I don't know? Does any other faith claim "The Son of God" as their savior? If so, which?

 

[niranjan]

I don't know? Does any other faith claim "The Son of God" as their savior? If so, which?

Well the Bhagavad Gita states that God Himself is the savior, what to say of "The Son of God " .

Any way, you still haven't answered my question. Will I be sued or not !

 

[Quahom1]

Well the Bhagavad Gita states that God Himself is the savior, what to say of "The Son of God " .

Any way, you still haven't answered my question. Will I be sued or not !

Well, I don't think God is concerned too much about patents, trademarks or copyrights...

 

[niranjan]

Sarve Amritasya Putrah ( Vedas ) ---- We are all children of God.


And the Vedas are much more ancient than Jesus Christ or the Bible.

So indeed we have the patent on the title, dude.

 

[Quahom1]

Sarve Amritasya Putrah ( Vedas ) ---- We are all children of God.


And the Vedas are much more ancient than Jesus Christ or the Bible.

So indeed we have the patent on the title, dude.

children of God, is not "The Son of God". So, enjoy your patent, and first rights.

v/r

Joshua

 

[wil]

me thinks the use of capitol letters in this regard was that of a English translation invention and not of the original greek/hebrew....

 

[Quahom1]

me thinks the use of capitol letters in this regard was that of a English translation invention and not of the original greek/hebrew....

Well, you're correct, because I'm using that as a replacement for the actual greek/hebrew words that specifically address the son of god, in a possessive.

but then you knew that.

 

[niranjan]

children of God, is not "The Son of God". So, enjoy your patent, and first rights.

v/r

Joshua

And how is that possible. Quoting the vedas, I can say that I am the son of God. And many others for milleniums have been saying it in India, before Christ as well.

So indeed we have the patent for " the son of God " as well.

 

[Bruce Michael]

Looking at "stuff" you got large amounts of christians.... (back in the old days) and then you had witches!! and evil scorcerers and Satanists... What did the christians do? They whooped their "evil" butts..... Looking now at more recent times there are large numbers of Satanists witches sorcerers or whatever... And it seems more acceptable by society... You have stores that sell equipment and such... Books that are produced and sold.... What would you say about that? The way I look at the current generation... Give it a few more... I could see religion dying... ;/ Just from a "neutral" observation point, this battle seems to be in Satans favour....

Satan will take a portion, but really there is no contest.

 

[17th Angel]

Just listening to some christian song... "And the good book says, we're WINNERS!!!"

And that got me thinking eh? Are most of you donig the simple human trait of siding with the strong? What if the bible said something laong the lines of it wouldn't win.... In a final battle agaisnt satan, Satan and his armies shall defeat us..... Knowingly would you still side with god? Even though he was going to lose?

"But he won't"

PLAY-a-freaking long.... Say he was destined to lose.

 

[Faithfulservant]

Along with what Q says

the only begotten Son of God ... the only begotten is actually translated from the original greek meaning the unique Son of God.. Unique means only one and no other..

 

[shadowman]

why does god let him bring people down. I ask this because I think if anyone was brought down or decieved by the evil one, I am one of them... I mean god must have known I Was a bad seed or tare from the beginning right. so why even create people that will fall to satan. he must not create us all the same right? If he did, we would all make the same choices. free will doesnt explain this. becuuase even with free will, unless god created us differently, we would all make the sAME CHOICE. i THINK THE BIBLE MIGHT HAVE AN ANSWER, THAT everyone THAT DOESNT DIE WITH JESUS IS A CHILD OF THE DEVIL? BUT THEN IT SEEMS LIKE THE WHOLE BATTLE TO SAVE PEOPLE IS POINTLESS. ARE WE AGREEING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT COULD GO EITHER WAY and the power is randomly in their hands? oops soor y for caps lock

another thought.. .

satan knows he lost hes just trying to take as many down with as he can

so its them that lost.

 

[shadowman]

Along with what Q says

the only begotten Son of God ... the only begotten is actually translated from the original greek meaning the unique Son of God.. Unique means only one and no other..

doesnt the original greek translate hell as tartarus gehenna and hades? none of which are places oof torment?

and isnt hell an adopted pagan belief?

 

[shadowman]

Seems like he is winning now..

but Jesus declared victory when He said "It is finished."

but if it is finished why let the world continue. on one token more souls go to heaven, but on the other more reject jesus and get the consequences of that. and the bible seems inconclusive as to what the consequences of rejecting jesus are. many parts of the bible seem to say do good and god is with you, do evil and he is not. so what gives?

 

[mee]

and the bible seems inconclusive as to what the consequences of rejecting jesus are. quote] i think the bible is very clear on the consequences of rejecting Jesus .

Jesus promised that in the last days of this system of things, he would gather his faithful disciples into a clearly identifiable Christian congregation that he would use to accomplish his will. (Matthew 24:14, 45-47) He is right now using that congregation to gather together "a great crowd" of men, women, and children "out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues," and he is uniting them under his headship into "one flock" under "one shepherd."—Revelation 7:9, 14-17; John 10:16; Ephesians 4:11-16. its all happening in the time of the end . and make no mistake about it, there is great opposition to Gods purpose . and we all know who the great opposer is, it is none other than satan the devil who influences people to be in opposition to Gods people . so if we are rejecting the ones spoken of in matthew 24;45-47 then we are rejecting Jesus himself. and as matthew 25;46 says
And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life."................. right now in this time of the end we are making our chioce to be with Jesus and his faithful ones matthew 24;45-47 but in the final outcome it will be as matthew 25;31 -33 says
"When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.......................
yes Satan has great influence in this time of the end , but as we all know Jesus sheep hear his voice.