Jesus is a reigning king

[mee]

the fact of the matter is the watchtower has indeed made many false predictions. to say otherwise is lying.

And he went on to say: "Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end. daniel 12;9 keeping awake and staying alert has led to a clearer understanding in this time of the end , and when things are not quite in view it is not always clear enough ,but over time when things are well and truely in view it is very clear indeed . and over the years it has also refined Gods people as
(Daniel 11:35) says ,And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and to do a whitening, until the time of [the] end; because it is yet for the time appointed.
(Daniel 12:3) "And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.
(Proverbs 9:9) Give to a wise person and he will become still wiser. Impart knowledge to someone righteous and he will increase in learning.
(Isaiah 32:6) because the senseless one himself will speak mere senselessness, and his very heart will work at what is hurtful, to work at apostasy and to speak against Jehovah what is wayward, to cause the soul of the hungry one to go empty, and he causes even the thirsty one to go without drink itself................... over the years it is very clear also that the refining has sorted out those who are not after truth , but those with insight are now heralding that Jesus is now a newly enthroned king , and nothing can stop Jehovahs purpose from being made known. yes we are well and truely in the last days . and 1914 is well and truely a very significant date indeed................thrilling times indeed for those who are after truth.

 

[mee]

jesus was already a king, it is a fact for all the angels, they already knew him as the word of god in heaven--creator of all things, yet it is a leap of faith for man. again, the wise men came and worshipped him as king and so did the angels.

Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

yes ,and right now he is riding on his white horse in this time of the end . thrilling times indeed , move ahead
"And I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest." (Revelation 6:2) yes the one on the white horse is Jesus christ and a crown was given him , and it was Jehovah the (ancient of days) that gave it to him as Daniel 7;13-14 informs us and the conquest goes on .

 

[BlaznFattyz]

the fact of the matter is the watchtower has indeed made many false predictions. to say otherwise is lying.

"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him"

sound familiar?

 

[BlaznFattyz]

yes ,and right now he is riding on his white horse in this time of the end . thrilling times indeed...

making predictions of end times, when your religions track records is already proven false many times...this is not christianity. christians are to simply pray, worship, and watch for the coming of the lord, and rejoice in his salvation and spread the gospel, not preoccupy ourselves with false prophecies, inaccurate date setting, and following doctrines of man (watchtower) and letting it think for us, rather than reading the word of god and letting the spirit guide us in truth that jesus is coming again, but when that is, no man knows.

 

[mee]

"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him"

sound familiar?

yes ,bible prophecy always comes true . thrilling times we are living in
matthew 24;14
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come................ the goodnews that the kingdom was set up in 1914 and is now well established is being heralded all over the world , yes bible prophecy always comes true, thrilling times to be living in , and this now reigning king is the one to look to for there is no salvation in anyone else . and it is being done for a witness or to put people on notice . yes bible prophecy always comes true . the bible sure is a book of prophecy from God ................ nice

 

[mee]

making predictions of end times, when your religions track records is already proven false many times...this is not christianity. christians are to simply pray, worship, and watch for the coming of the lord, and rejoice in his salvation and spread the gospel, not preoccupy ourselves with false prophecies, inaccurate date setting, and following doctrines of man (watchtower) and letting it think for us, rather than reading the word of god and letting the spirit guide us in truth that jesus is coming again, but when that is, no man knows.

and those with insight will reveal understanding to the many .

(Daniel 11:33) And as regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many. And they will certainly be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for [some] days.​

(Matthew 13:43) At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him that has ears listen.

 

[mee]

In Revelation chapter 6 appears the account of what has been called the ride of "the four horsemen of the Apocalypse." Appearing first is the rider of "a white horse," the glorified Jesus Christ, going forth to make war against his foes. This he was authorized by God to do at the end of the Gentile Times, when Jesus’ foes in heaven and on earth should have submitted to his rule.—Psalm 2:1-12.

 

[InLove]

I don't usually get into these kind of discussions, but I thought it only fair to include the following here for consideration. I know there are several people here who don't like Billy Graham any more than they like the J.W. view, so I was interested in how his ideas here might go over.

"Who is this rider on the white horse? Is this rider on the white horse Christ, as some have suggested? For centuries, biblical scholars and commentators have argued about the identity of this rider. You will note that he is wearing a crown of victory and carrying a bow of great destruction in his hand. In Revelation 19 Christ is pictured on a white horse wearing many crowns, and this has led some to believe that the rider on the white horse here in Revelation 6 is also the Christ.

However, after careful study I do not believe this to be the case. In the Greek language the crown worn by the rider of Revelation 6 is called stephanos, which was the crown of victory worn by a conquerer. The crowns Christ wears in Revelation 19, on the other hand, are diadema, or the crowns of royalty. Furtheremore, although the rider on the white horse bears a resemblance to Christ, the appearance is actually deceptive because a deeper look reveals his true nature. He is "a conquerer bent on conquest," greedily riding roughshod over all who stand in his way in his lust for power.

Who, therefore, is the rider on the white horse? He is not Christ, but a deceiver who seeks to capture the hearts and souls of men and women. He is one who seeks to have people acknowledge him as Lord instead of the true Christ.

InPeace,
InLove

 

[BlaznFattyz]

I don't usually get into these kind of discussions, but I thought it only fair to include the following here for consideration. I know there are several people here who don't like Billy Graham any more than they like the J.W. view, so I was interested in how his ideas here might go over.



InPeace,
InLove

and notes from dr. j. vernon mcgee

B. The Great Tribulation in the world, Chapters 6 — 18
1. Opening of the seven-sealed book, Chapters 6 — 8:1
a. Opening of the first seal, 6:1, 2
(Rider on a white horse)
b. Opening of the second seal, 6:3, 4
(Rider on a red horse)
c. Opening of the third seal, 6:5, 6
(Rider on a black horse)
d. Opening of the fourth seal, 6:7, 8
(Rider on a pale horse)
e. Opening of the fifth seal, 6:9-11
(Prayer of the martyred remnant)
f. Opening of the sixth seal, 6:12-17
(The Day of Wrath has come — beginning of the last
half of the Great Tribulation

 

[wil]

there is no change ,1914 is the start of the last days , and the date when Jesus recieved the kingship ....1914 has always been a significant date and Jehovahs people were certainly not wrong about that date... the time has come ,and NOW Jesus is a reigning king , we have been living in the time of the end since that date

Am I reading the following wrong...it appears to me they are stating Jesus took the throne in 1874 and 1914 would be the end. I read elsewhere that the Watchtower moved the end date to 1925 and then again to 1975 and when those dates came and went many moved on as the continual moving date did not sit well. Were those writing the Watchtower then wrong, or did everyone misinterpret?

"We need not here repeat the evidences that the "seventh trump" began its sounding A.D., 1840, and will continue until the end of the time of trouble, and the end of "The times of the Gentiles," A.D., 1914, and that it is the trouble of this "Great day," which is here symbolically called the voice of the Archangel when he begins the deliverance of fleshly Israel. "At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince (Archangel) which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation." Dan. xii. 1. Nor will we here, again present the conclusive Bible proof that our Lord came for his Bride in 1874, and has an unseen work as Reaper of the first-fruits of this Gospel Age. (Watchtower November, 1880 p. 1)

 

[Caimanson]

making predictions of end times, when your religions track records is already proven false many times...this is not christianity. christians are to simply pray, worship, and watch for the coming of the lord, and rejoice in his salvation and spread the gospel, not preoccupy ourselves with false prophecies, inaccurate date setting, and following doctrines of man (watchtower) and letting it think for us, rather than reading the word of god and letting the spirit guide us in truth that jesus is coming again, but when that is, no man knows.

Very well said.
Matthew 24, very clear.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Just before this time people will be saying the Christ is here or the Christ is there - don't you believe them! There will be many false Christ's and false prophets. Some will even perform great miracles and signs so that even the very elect of God would be deceived if that were possible. They will say Christ is in a hidden room or He's out in the wilderness; don't believe it. For the Son of Man will come as visibly and obviously as the sun when it rises in the east and shines to the furthest west.

 

[mee]

Very well said.
Matthew 24, very clear.

yes, spreading the goodnews is what all christians should be doing especially in this time of the end, matthew 24;14 it really is goodnews that Jesus is now a reigning king in the newly established kingdom that Jehovah has set up in this time of the end . Daniel 7;13-14 daniel 2;44
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.
(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,.............. yes the signs of the times are all happening , along with all the signs that Jesus mentioned in matthew 24 , war, earthquakes ,famine, ect ,ect, there is a great work going on and it is GOOD NEWS indeed. it is the goodnews that Jesus is a reigning king in Gods heavenly kingdom goverment Daniel 2;44 daniel 7;13-14

 

[mee]

I don't usually get into these kind of discussions, but I thought it only fair to include the following here for consideration. I know there are several people here who don't like Billy Graham any more than they like the J.W. view, so I was interested in how his ideas here might go over.



InPeace,
InLove

"And I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest." (Revelation 6:2)
yes Jesus certainly is a warrior king , bent on doing Jehovahs will . he is out to get rid of all those in opposition . so i would say that the rider of the white horse in revelation 6 is the same rider as in chapter 19 and that it is Jesus christ himself as a newly enthroned king, it says that a crown was given to him ,and in Daniel it says that Jehovah or the (ancient of days ) gave Jesus great aurthority Daniel 7;13-14
In the Bible, the horse often symbolizes warfare.
How appropriate this is, for it portrays warfare that is clean and righteous in Jehovah’s holy eyes!—See also Revelation 19:11, 14.
Why, though, must the newly crowned King ride forth to war? It is because his kingship is established in the face of bitter opposition from Jehovah’s chief adversary, Satan the Devil, and those on earth who—knowingly or unknowingly—serve Satan’s ends.

 

[mee]

Am I reading the following wrong...it appears to me they are stating Jesus took the throne in 1874 and 1914 would be the end. I read elsewhere that the Watchtower moved the end date to 1925 and then again to 1975 and when those dates came and went many moved on as the continual moving date did not sit well. Were those writing the Watchtower then wrong, or did everyone misinterpret?

As mentioned earlier , the view point many years ago was not clear ,because the understanding did not come until the time of the end . Daniel 12;4 back in the 1800s every one thought they were going to heaven , the understanding had not yet been revealed that the great crowd would inherit the earth , REVELATION 7;9-10 so the understanding was hazy , but at Jehovahs own time the true knowledge was made abundant and the understanding about christs PRESENCE in kingdom power was revealed , many ones fell away in the early years because it did not happen as they thought it should. at one time everyone thought that in 1914 they would be taken to heaven, they knew it was an inportant date but the understanding about that date had not yet been revealed , but this falling away of some also sifted out those who were not willing to wait for Jehovahs revealing . in fact these ones even started to slander the faithful true christians , and because of this they are spoken of in the bible as an evil slave that is outside in the darkness, they are in darkness in a spiritual sense because Jehovah no longer shines his light on them ,and even that is prophesied to happen . but now in this time since 1914 the understanding has progressed and progressed . and it is clearer and clearer.

 

[mee]

Just before this time people will be saying the Christ is here or the Christ is there - don't you believe them! There will be many false Christ's and false prophets. Some will even perform great miracles and signs so that even the very elect of God would be deceived if that were possible. They will say Christ is in a hidden room or He's out in the wilderness; don't believe it. For the Son of Man will come as visibly and obviously as the sun when it rises in the east and shines to the furthest west.

very true, Jesus will never come to the earth again he doesnt need to come back to the earth he is a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom DANIEL 2;44 DANIEL 7;13-14 but the day of Jehovah is very near , and soon this reigning king will turn his attention to the earth and go into action. so now is the time to put ourselves on the side of this reigning king , that is why the goodnews is being made known ,it is for a witness or to put people on notice and then the end will come , not the end of the planet but the end of manmade rulerships matthew 24;14 Daniel 2;44
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

...Jesus will never come to the earth again he doesnt need to come back to the earth...

I dont think so...

Jesus will come again soon to rapture his own and meet them in the air. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. And this same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go Into heaven.

In days to come, The mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established as the highest mountain and raised above the hills. All nations shall stream toward it; many peoples shall come and say: "Come, let us climb the LORD'S mountain, to the house of the God of Jacob, That he may instruct us in his ways, and we may walk in his paths." For from Zion shall go forth instruction, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the splendor of Carmel and Sharon; they will see the glory of the LORD, the splendor of our God.

 

[17th Angel]

I dont think so...

Jesus will come again soon to rapture his own and meet them in the air. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. And this same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go Into heaven.

In days to come, The mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established as the highest mountain and raised above the hills. All nations shall stream toward it; many peoples shall come and say: "Come, let us climb the LORD'S mountain, to the house of the God of Jacob, That he may instruct us in his ways, and we may walk in his paths." For from Zion shall go forth instruction, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the splendor of Carmel and Sharon; they will see the glory of the LORD, the splendor of our God.

To save you another watchtower copy and paste... I guarantee Mee's answer will be that jesus was talking to those gathered around that table not everyone, they are apart of the small flock... Apparently no different, nothing special... Apparently... But for some reason they have some small exclusive club.... 144,000 isn't Mee? Not special at all, but they get to live with god and jesus and we stay here....

 

[mee]

To save you another watchtower copy and paste... I guarantee Mee's answer will be that jesus was talking to those gathered around that table not everyone, they are apart of the small flock... Apparently no different, nothing special... Apparently... But for some reason they have some small exclusive club.... 144,000 isn't Mee? Not special at all, but they get to live with god and jesus and we stay here....

nice one ............ accurate bible knowledge is becoming more abundant, that is just what the bible teaches, it will only be 144,000 who are going to heaven to be with Jesus and they will be going to rule with Jesus as kings and priests, it is just as the following verses tell us .
and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.revelation 5;10
(Revelation 20:6) Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.
"Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."—LUKE 12:32.
and yes , the GREAT CROWD of other sheep will go on to inherit the earth .
"I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd."JOHN 10:16.
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."revelation 7;9-10
Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.matthew 5;5

But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,​

And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.psalm 37;11

 

[mee]

I dont think so...



In days to come, The mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established as the highest mountain and raised above the hills. All nations shall stream toward it; many peoples shall come and say: "Come, let us climb the LORD'S mountain, to the house of the God of Jacob, That he may instruct us in his ways, and we may walk in his paths." For from Zion shall go forth instruction, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

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yes its all happening in this time that we are living in ,bible prophecy always comes true , many from all nations are being taught by the most high Jehovah .
And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. And many peoples will certainly go and say: "Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths." For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.Isaiah 2;2-4 no more warfare for Gods people they are taught by Jehovah , and they have beaten their swords into plow shares. being instructed by the most high leads to peaceful conditions. and these ones who are being taught peace are from all nations and here they are spoken of in revelation 7;9-10
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."..................... because they recognise Gods reigning king Jesus christ they are being fed by the channel Jesus is feeding matthew 24-45-47 ................. following the christ is the way to go it will lead to peace on the earth.