Test your mental muscle!

I wanted to add a few quotes from my notes of the Jung podcast today. It was the first of a series of three on typology and a bit significant. First Jung from vol 6 of his collected works:

"Even in medical circles the opinion has got about that my method of treatment consists in fitting patients into the system and giving them corresponding advice. My typology is far rather a critical apparatus serving to sort out and to organize the welter of empirical material, but not in any sense to stick labels on people. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimiting of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical."

And from Darrel Sharp:

"Type tests do not show the extent to which one's type may have been falsified or perverted by familial and environmental factors. They say nothing about the way in which one's usual way of functioning may be determined by complexes and they do not reflect the ever-present compensating attitude of the unconscious. In addition, the person taking the test may be using one of the secondary or auxiliary functions to answer the questions of indeed responding out of the shadow or persona. Above all, type tests do not take into account the experiential reality that a person's typological preference can change over time."

John Bebe:

""It has not always been clear to students of Jung's analytical psychology what his famous types are types of. The commonest assumption has been that they refer to types of people. But for Jung, they were types of consciousness, that is, characteristic orientations assumed by the ego in establishing and discriminating an individual's inner and outer reality. For psychotherapists, an understanding of these different natural cognitive stances can be invaluable in the daily work of supporting the basic strengths of their client's personalities, and of helping a particular consciousness to recognize its inherent limitations. The understanding of individual differences communicated on the basis of this theory can reduce a client's shame at areas of relative ego-weakness and diminish the client's need to buttress the ego with strong defenses that complicate treatment."

So there you have it. These types of popular tests have been removed from their original context, being taken as tools for finding more concrete labels instead of for indicating the present orientations of the ego which, through the process of individuation can sometimes shift. They don't take into account that the answers might reflect various structures of the unconscious or that a less dominant function might have been applied to the test. The author of the podcast said that in analysis, he'll often use his own judgement to assess an individual's type and keep in mind that it can shift over time.

Dauer
 
I think it would be folly to treat any online test like this as anything other than a bit of fun. But it was interesting the first 4 of us all found ourselves in a group that is only meant to be representative of 1% of the population. Something you might expect considering we are all on the same forum maybe, maybe not. But certainly curious :)
 
I was thinking about that, and I started to wonder if perhaps we all filled in the answers similarly because it was for this forum, and we were all identifying with a similar persona.
 
I was thinking about that, and I started to wonder if perhaps we all filled in the answers similarly because it was for this forum, and we were all identifying with a similar persona.

You mean when you are not here you a crack head porn star with a taste for raw mutton:confused:
 
I think Ill have to start my own gang,mw. Im an ISFP and ISTP type apparently. Im introverted????? hell no. maybe im just hiding something . thats probably right. Im so lonely...... not really, ive got all my personalities to talk too. lol love the grey
 
Tao,

I wouldn't go that far. But I mean that we all have different roles in different parts of our lives, like when we're working at our job we'll often assume traits that we associate with our profession, we'll act in a way that we'd expect someone with our job to act. The same is true if we're parenting, or with a certain group of old friends, or siblings. When we're on c-r.com I'm just guessing that, regardless of what's most typical for us, those parts of who we are that we think of as spiritual or religious are most at the fore, which might put extra emphasis, during the test, on certain parts of who we are. Or, we might even be filling it out based on who we want to be or think we ought to be based on our sense of religion and spirituality. That would put my suggested experiment in a whole different context. The different forums might get different results not just because the people are different (which is very possibly also true), but because they act differently depending on which circle they're participating in and are filling out the test with some not entirely conscious sense of how they should be acting in order to get approval from their other friends who're into sports. I'm only suggesting that might be the case though. I've got no idea. When I was a kid I took a test in middle school once, by someone using it to find a label, and iirc I scored ENTJ. Closer to my current age I've probably scored INFP, INTP, INFJ, and maybe INTJ.

Dauer
 
How disappointing!! I'm sure many of the girls here were looking forward to getting copies of your movies :p

Seriously, I fully get what you are saying. Maybe we do each have a persona we manifest here. As we have different ones for different situations in each of our lives. But if anything I think the persona we bring here is probably as honest a one as any that we adopt in our day to day lives. Here we have a degree of anonymity that offers us the safety and security of being honest without fear of it being used against us. We can in some sense lower our guard and say what we really think.
The 4 of us that got the same result do, I think share something in common. None of us is really fixed in one mindset nor promotes a single ideology and all of us try to understand everybody else's angle. We each have our own take and personality, likes/dislikes etc, but overall we are all empathetic to all comers. Each of us tries not to dismiss but build upon the essence of what is being discussed. So I am not so quick to dismiss the test results as having no merit at all. Though I do understand if the rest of you want to when you find yourself in the same group as me :D

Regards as always

Tao
 
TEq,

I'm not suggesting the results are worthless, or that the testing says nothing about us at all, just that those aspects it puts most emphasis on may not be what's most emphasized in our daily lives. Even if it does only reflect one manifestation of persona, that's still helpful information.

I do agree with you that the anonymity afforded by the web allows us to express parts of ourselves that we may not express so easily in other places, but I also think that we come into any situation with certain expectations. If we go to the movies we we probably have a sense before we get there that the place will smell of popcorn, there will be lots of rows of seating, and there'll be a big screen. If we go to see a movie we heard was really scary, it's likely we'll believe we might get scared or form a contrary view still based on the notion of scariness.

I know that even within the forum, depending on the forum I'm on, depending on who I'm speaking to, I'm probably going to share different information and say it in a different way. There may be some things I intentionally withold and other things I intentionally share. If I'm somewhere else and I'm speaking to someone who's not particularly religious or is spiritual but in a very general sense, or practices an Eastern religion in some form, I'll probably avoid, at least at first, making any direct references to Judaism. I've had experiences of seeing it lumped together with fundamentalist Christianity or seeing the assumption that Judaism is the guys in black hats or that if I'm talking about my own religion it must be some form of missionizing. It's very strange to me that I get that reaction talking about Judaism but then if it's Buddhism, a religion that does frequently actively missionize, it doesn't seem to bother as many people.

You can also look at the choice of names on the forum that people choose. For most, if it's here, it's going to be something related to their spiritual identity, like muslimwoman or pathless. It's not to say that we don't get behind the masks here. I think we do, and maybe more frequently than in other places.

Dauer
 
I think Ill have to start my own gang,mw. Im an ISFP and ISTP type apparently. Im introverted????? hell no. maybe im just hiding something . thats probably right. Im so lonely...... not really, ive got all my personalities to talk too. lol love the grey

Introverted? Nah, I doubt that. It's ok you can be in my gang, shall we call it MOOGU (Made Our Own Gang Up) or DFE (Don't Fit Elsewhere)? What colour shall I make the badges?

Salaam
Sally
 
Shalom Dauer

I have to say I did one of these tests in the army, there was 500 questions and getting the results was a real shocker. Talk about accurate, my strengths and my weaknesses were spot on. There were 15 pages, each looking at a different character trait. I was so impressed I still have it somewhere (although hidden away so no-one see's it).

Salaam
Sally
 
gday sally, I reckon we should wear lots of badges. lol. any colour. If youve read some of my posts youd know that Im anything but introverted, arent I? Thats probably really bad english and the nuns that taught me "would be very dissapppointed in me" . We could call ourselves the Rejects or WASP (women against stupid polls) anyway thanks, Id love to be in your gang. love the grey
 
gday sally, I reckon we should wear lots of badges. lol. any colour. If youve read some of my posts youd know that Im anything but introverted, arent I? Thats probably really bad english and the nuns that taught me "would be very dissapppointed in me" . We could call ourselves the Rejects or WASP (women against stupid polls) anyway thanks, Id love to be in your gang. love the grey


Salaam grey

Oh yes I love WASP, we are now officially WASP - so it has to be black & yellow badges then. Erm no, I would not call you introverted by a long way. ;)

Oh hell, there are people dying all over the world as we type, so I doubt 'good english' is one of mankinds greatest necessities. :D
 
Or it could be Wine and Steak Please!!!!!!!lol

:eek: Oh no I can't eat steak. Hmmm, back to the drawing board on the gang name (I have mentioned I am not very creative - suggestions please).
 
Shalom Dauer

I have to say I did one of these tests in the army, there was 500 questions and getting the results was a real shocker. Talk about accurate, my strengths and my weaknesses were spot on. There were 15 pages, each looking at a different character trait. I was so impressed I still have it somewhere (although hidden away so no-one see's it).

Salaam
Sally

I did one in the service too. Among other things it said I'm a borderline sociopath. I asked the shrink if that was anything like being a psychopath. He said "no, it just means that you don't necessarily think that society's rules and standards apply to you." I said "well, yeah."

Chris
 
I did one in the service too. Among other things it said I'm a borderline sociopath. I asked the shrink if that was anything like being a psychopath. He said "no, it just means that you don't necessarily think that society's rules and standards apply to you." I said "well, yeah."

Chris

So there must be something to the more complex tests then Chris, they seem to have sussed you out no problem. ;)

Sally
 
It sounds like the two of you may have done some type of psych eval. I've done those too and wouldn't consider them to be all fluff. But then on average they've taken me at least a few hours and include multiple tests designed by different people to learn about different things, so they get a much more dynamic picture. Some of the testing like that includes much more dynamic answers, like the one where a story is told based on a picture, instead of "yes, no" or "a, b, c, d" which I've also seen. They can look for learning difficulties, tendencies toward certain types of psychological problems, etc. I think that's a bit different than assigning someone a particular 2-dimensional type. Even Jung, who was opposed to applying his typology in a rigid, fixed way would still group people into the two categories: neurotics and schyzophrenics. He was only speaking of the types of tendencies that most frequently will manifest in the way a person expresses himself and what is most likely to surface more under duress.

Dauer
 
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