17th Angel said:
kthxlolz..... Connected incorrectly? It is an act of nature? You know... Something that is naturally meant to happen.....
yes, but the laws in the Torah mandate that there are only certain times when you are allowed to have it off. thus, if you "connect" at the wrong time [of the month], you are "incorrectly connected". time is one of the five dimensions of the spiritual. something that is right at one time can be wrong at another, you know? so turning on a light on the sabbath is wrong, but is fine the rest of the time.
It is part of the I guess you'd call it "design" of the female human... Like many other female animals that go through the same process....
i know, but the axiomatic position of judaism is that humans are not the same as animals, because we have free will and the choice to govern our instincts. there's nothing wrong with the design itself, it is morally neutral. it is the human action that isn't.
Penguin said:
I think the process is disgusting, it makes women look cheap and like worthless pieces of meat that are there to be pumped and abused, and then to have that private and special moment (if you can bloody call it that!) of loosing their virginity put on public display for all and sundry.
firstly, i think the sages agree with you, which is why they legislated this procedure out of feasibility, as i described in my previous post. secondly, judaism takes sex extremely seriously and, i cannot stress this too much, the CUSTODIAN AND GATEKEEPER FOR SEXUAL RELATIONS IS ALWAYS THE WOMAN, NOT THE MAN. hence the sort of sexual act you describe here would be absolutely forbidden - as 17th's comment indicates! so basically the whole thing would never arise anyway.
It's an invasion of privacy and is sick.
you see, this is what i don't quite get, penguin. you're all het up about this token business which i've shown you can't for all intents and purposes take place and wouldn't be valid even if it did, for the reasons i've described above, yet you don't seem to realise that the reason for separating men and women during the niddah period is to give the woman *privacy* and allow her to regain her personal space, to which only she may negotiate entry.
can *i* have teh carrot now?
b'shalom
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