worship or serve the Christ?
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Speaking of worship and service we should bring in devotion.
I would hope that my fellow believers on this thread would be devoted to their faith. And any truth thats brought to light in this board is nurtured like a seed with God as the gardener in His time.
There is a gusto and a fire to share truth as we see it. There is also a boiling point where we fire to much all at once.
I deeply apologize for anything I might have posted that seemed offensive to anybodies doctrine.
And yet I cant apologize for defending the doctrine and Saviour I am devoted to.
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I would hope that my fellow believers on this thread would be devoted to their faith. And any truth thats brought to light in this board is nurtured like a seed with God as the gardener in His time.
There is a gusto and a fire to share truth as we see it. There is also a boiling point where we fire to much all at once.
I deeply apologize for anything I might have posted that seemed offensive to anybodies doctrine.
And yet I cant apologize for defending the doctrine and Saviour I am devoted to.
Q its good to be back
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The Hebrew Scriptures are consistently clear in showing that there is but one Almighty God, the Creator of all things and the Most High, whose name is Jehovah. (Ge 17:1; Isa 45:18; Ps 83:18) For that reason Moses could say to the nation of Israel: "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. And you must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your vital force." (De 6:4, 5) The Christian Greek Scriptures do not contradict this teaching that had been accepted and believed by God’s servants for thousands of years, but instead they support it. (Mr 12:29; Ro 3:29, 30; 1Co 8:6; Eph 4:4-6; 1Ti 2:5) Jesus Christ himself said, "The Father is greater than I am" and referred to the Father as his God, "the only true God." (Joh 14:28; 17:3; 20:17; Mr 15:34; Re 1:1; 3:12) On numerous occasions Jesus expressed his inferiority and subordination to his Father. (Mt 4:9, 10; 20:23; Lu 22:41, 42; Joh 5:19; 8:42; 13:16) Even after Jesus’ ascension into heaven his apostles continued to present the same picture.—1Co 11:3; 15:20, 24-28; 1Pe 1:3; 1Jo 2:1; 4:9, 10.
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be careful please with your words. no where did jesus or the the of god say inferior, and saying this takes on a different meaning, and it also shows your angle of denying the deity of christ that you and many cults attempt. jesus being the word of god, humbled and emptied himself to die for our sins as a man being made under the law, that is the subordination. the fact that the spirit dwelled fully in him, that he forgave sins, and that he is salvation and the grace and glory of god, and that rose again on the third day and was given glory and exhalted back to him where he sits on the throne of god, where all the angels rejoice.
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>The Hebrew Scriptures are consistently clear in showing that there is but one Almighty >God, the Creator of all things and the Most High, whose name is Jehovah.
Not so clear Mee. Elohim is a plural form of Eloha. The Tetragrammaton was only described as "Jehovah" much, much later in our Christian era. The God of Melchizadek was El Elyon- the God beyond all gods.
Here is the original Hebrew for the Tetragrammaton:
The script known as Hebrew is really Syrian square script (Chaldee). It was acquired by the Hebrews during the Babylonian captivity.
The original Hebrew script is found on ancient inscriptions. These are the letters that Moses would have used.
Hebrew Alphebet to English
>Jesus Christ himself said, "The Father is greater than I am" and referred to the Father >as his God, "the only true God."
Yes, Christ Jesus spoke of the First Person of The Trinity as "Abba", "Father"- not Jehovah.
The Prologue of St. John's Gospel makes it crystal clear that Christ Jesus is the Creative Word "made flesh"- the Creator of this World and all in it.
In Christ,
Br.Bruce
Not so clear Mee. Elohim is a plural form of Eloha. The Tetragrammaton was only described as "Jehovah" much, much later in our Christian era. The God of Melchizadek was El Elyon- the God beyond all gods.
Here is the original Hebrew for the Tetragrammaton:
The script known as Hebrew is really Syrian square script (Chaldee). It was acquired by the Hebrews during the Babylonian captivity.
The original Hebrew script is found on ancient inscriptions. These are the letters that Moses would have used.
Hebrew Alphebet to English
>Jesus Christ himself said, "The Father is greater than I am" and referred to the Father >as his God, "the only true God."
Yes, Christ Jesus spoke of the First Person of The Trinity as "Abba", "Father"- not Jehovah.
The Prologue of St. John's Gospel makes it crystal clear that Christ Jesus is the Creative Word "made flesh"- the Creator of this World and all in it.
In Christ,
Br.Bruce
>The Hebrew Scriptures are consistently clear in showing that there is but one Almighty >God, the Creator of all things and the Most High, whose name is Jehovah.
Not so clear Mee. Elohim is a plural form of Eloha. The Tetragrammaton was only described as "Jehovah" much, much later in our Christian era. The God of Melchizadek was El Elyon- the God beyond all gods.
Here is the original Hebrew for the Tetragrammaton:
The script known as Hebrew is really Syrian square script (Chaldee). It was acquired by the Hebrews during the Babylonian captivity.
The original Hebrew script is found on ancient inscriptions. These are the letters that Moses would have used.
Hebrew Alphebet to English
>Jesus Christ himself said, "The Father is greater than I am" and referred to the Father >as his God, "the only true God."
Yes, Christ Jesus spoke of the First Person of The Trinity as "Abba", "Father"- not Jehovah.
The Prologue of St. John's Gospel makes it crystal clear that Christ Jesus is the Creative Word "made flesh"- the Creator of this World and all in it.
In Christ,
Br.Bruce
Interesting fleshing out the history of the original language...thanks for that.
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I realize you have been taught and this will more than likely fall on deaf ears.
Your chruch and its ability to share its message and its faithfulness and devotion are wonderful Many a home is introduced to Christianity by that knock.
Your founders very devote and studious men who did well in sorting fact from fiction at a time when not all historical documents were even available.
Your kingdom halls modest quickly easily built even in the smallest communities with help to build showing up and working like ants.
Your Churches ability to hold the next generation in the doctrine is astounding in comparision to others.
There is ALOT of truth in the JW doctrine. The stands against paganism and the willingness to flee from idolatry that our forerunners didnt is wonderful.
To say that I dont have the ability (as the founders) to properly decern for my self is not cool with me.
I dont fit well inside a cookie cutter, there are parts that dont come to the edge and there are parts that hang over I am not willing to part with.
Its not like the early church didnt experience these same doctrinal differences. They were instructed to find few common beliefs and stand on them.
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Acts 15
wow pretty simple instructions to a new believer.
How did they accept Paul feeding them a little meat?
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. 2Pet 3
Its not so simple that you walk into a Church or Kingdom hall and learn all they teach you and poof you now know it all like they do and thus are saved. It reminds me of people I know who only go to church on easter sunday makes you wonder where they are in their walk, makes me want to tell them about what Christ can do for you 364 more days out of the year.
Personally how do you feel .. or do you have that personal relationship?
Your chruch and its ability to share its message and its faithfulness and devotion are wonderful Many a home is introduced to Christianity by that knock.
Your founders very devote and studious men who did well in sorting fact from fiction at a time when not all historical documents were even available.
Your kingdom halls modest quickly easily built even in the smallest communities with help to build showing up and working like ants.
Your Churches ability to hold the next generation in the doctrine is astounding in comparision to others.
There is ALOT of truth in the JW doctrine. The stands against paganism and the willingness to flee from idolatry that our forerunners didnt is wonderful.
To say that I dont have the ability (as the founders) to properly decern for my self is not cool with me.
I dont fit well inside a cookie cutter, there are parts that dont come to the edge and there are parts that hang over I am not willing to part with.
Its not like the early church didnt experience these same doctrinal differences. They were instructed to find few common beliefs and stand on them.
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Acts 15
wow pretty simple instructions to a new believer.
How did they accept Paul feeding them a little meat?
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. 2Pet 3
Its not so simple that you walk into a Church or Kingdom hall and learn all they teach you and poof you now know it all like they do and thus are saved. It reminds me of people I know who only go to church on easter sunday makes you wonder where they are in their walk, makes me want to tell them about what Christ can do for you 364 more days out of the year.
Personally how do you feel .. or do you have that personal relationship?
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mee
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Its best to let the bible answer.
Those who claim that God took on human existence as a God-man should note that the Bible does not even hint that Jesus viewed himself in such a way. Rather, it consistently shows that Jesus has always been inferior to his Father. When on the earth, Jesus never claimed to be more than the Son of God. Moreover, Christ said: "The Father is greater than I am."—John 14:28.
Paul made a distinction between Jehovah and Jesus in saying: "There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him." (1 Corinthians 8:6) Paul also said: "You belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God." (1 Corinthians 3:23) Indeed, even as Christians belong to their Master, Jesus Christ, so he belongs to his Head, Jehovah God.
Making a similar point, Paul wrote: "The head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God." (1 Corinthians 11:3) This relationship between God and Christ will continue, for after Jesus’ Thousand Year Reign, "he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father" and "the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."—1 Corinthians 15:24, 28; Revelation 20:6................... sticking to the bible sets things straight.
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Correct Pronunciation of the Divine Name. "Jehovah" is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, although "Yahweh" is favored by most Hebrew scholars. The oldest Hebrew manuscripts present the name in the form of four consonants, commonly called the Tetragrammaton (from Greek te·tra-, meaning "four," and gram´ma, "letter"). These four letters (written from right to left) are יהוה and may be transliterated into English as YHWH (or, JHVH).>The Hebrew Scriptures are consistently clear in showing that there is but one Almighty >God, the Creator of all things and the Most High, whose name is Jehovah.
Not so clear Mee. Elohim is a plural form of Eloha. The Tetragrammaton was only described as "Jehovah" much, much later in our Christian era. The God of Melchizadek was El Elyon- the God beyond all gods.
Here is the original Hebrew for the Tetragrammaton:
The script known as Hebrew is really Syrian square script (Chaldee). It was acquired by the Hebrews during the Babylonian captivity.
The original Hebrew script is found on ancient inscriptions. These are the letters that Moses would have used.
Hebrew Alphebet to English
>Jesus Christ himself said, "The Father is greater than I am" and referred to the Father >as his God, "the only true God."
Yes, Christ Jesus spoke of the First Person of The Trinity as "Abba", "Father"- not Jehovah.
The Prologue of St. John's Gospel makes it crystal clear that Christ Jesus is the Creative Word "made flesh"- the Creator of this World and all in it.
In Christ,
Br.Bruce
In the Hebrew language it is written יהוה. God’s name, represented by these four consonants, appears almost 7,000 times in the original "Old Testament," or Hebrew Scriptures.
The name is a form of a Hebrew verb ha·wah´ (הוה), meaning "to become," and actually signifies "He Causes to Become." Thus, God’s name identifies him as the One who progressively fulfills his promises and unfailingly realizes his purposes. Only the true God could bear such a meaningful name.
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i agree completely , we are all learning and growing but when it comes to bible teachings some things like the trinity , are just plainly not inline with the bible and the bible doesnt teach it . And just as you mentioned , it is not a case of once saved always saved ,it is plain to see that many can fall away from doing what is fine and no longer run the race .
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Way to dodge the question.
Way to take a pot shot at several denominations all in one short message post.
*shakes head*
How did you get in here not dressed for the wedding?
Way to take a pot shot at several denominations all in one short message post.
*shakes head*
How did you get in here not dressed for the wedding?
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mee
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I realize you have been taught and this will more than likely fall on deaf ears.
Your chruch and its ability to share its message and its faithfulness and devotion are wonderful Many a home is introduced to Christianity by that knock.
Your founders very devote and studious men who did well in sorting fact from fiction at a time when not all historical documents were even available.
Your kingdom halls modest quickly easily built even in the smallest communities with help to build showing up and working like ants.
Your Churches ability to hold the next generation in the doctrine is astounding in comparision to others.
There is ALOT of truth in the JW doctrine. The stands against paganism and the willingness to flee from idolatry that our forerunners didnt is wonderful. .................................................. by their fruits you will recognize those men ...................when the holy spirit is behind a work great things are accomplished. its all happening in this time of the end. here is yet again a good online booklet to have a read of
Jehovah’s Witnesses—Who Are They? What Do They Believe?
Describes who they are, their modern development and growth, what they believe, the practical value to your community of what they preach, and their worldwide
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