Thoughts on the Passion

[Victor]

OH, oh,oh,oh,oh, stop winking for just a minute! What's really cool about Paul..... with that I would agree. There is no Christianity without Paul.... no, no, no, no, no.... I could refer you to a thousand dissertations on Peter and Paul, even the fundamentalist outlook of Peake's Commentary, yes, and even old William Barclay, but I know you trust me Peter and the Disciples started an influx of Hellenists into Judaic-Christianity long before Paul ever appeared on the scene. Start with the conversion of Nicholas, then Cornelius and his entire family, then to the Samaritans, then to the Pagan Greeks at Antioch... Christianity began with the primitive Church in Jerusalem with Peter, James, the Lord's brother, and John. The Jewish Christian ethic was still being preached and taught in the 180's at the Church in Antioch by Theophilus the 6th Bishop of the Antioch Church. After Barnabas and Peter moved the center of the Church to Antioch it was Barnabas who sponsored Paul and started him on his missionary work, but Paul was in no way first to the Gentiles nor was he the instigator of a Gentile mission. Barnabas and Peter both saw that his was to be an independant work. Now I leave the matter of Nicholas and Cornelius to you (perhaps just to test your grey matter) but I will agree that both had an affinity to Judaism first! I believe there would have been a Christian religion without a doubt, but I also believe that the Disciples opened a door which allowed Paul to marshall a flood gate of converts. And to create another pattern of thought, I believe that the true Church is NOT the Pauline ethic but that of the Jewish Christian pattern, for weren't all the Disciples orthodox Jews as was The Christ? This is easy to say, but very difficult to comprehend considering our modern idiom.

It is good to have time to be back as I treasure you all.
I Am, as always.

Victor G

 

[cyberpi]

Victor,
While here you say, "There is no Christianity without Paul",the conclusion of your lengthy paper about Paul says:

His desire for power, authoritative dominion, and his decisions under the pretense of that absolute control, have led the Church to practice excommunication, genocide, imprisonment, and death for unbelievers.

The 'fire' that he lit burned innocents at the stake; they were hanged, strangled, impaled, beheaded, and stoned to death... so easily misled, so many died, all for the desires of one man. And of the power that led him? It must be considered Satan's greatest victory since Adam and Eve were banished from the garden.

What's up with that? Jekyll and Hide? Plenty of imagery words there to make a movie from.

 

[cyberpi]

Oops... I misread your response there Victor. I see your Italics were quoting juantoo3.

"I don't know how to do the quote thing"

Click the quote button and it will give you an example text to work from.
To use quotes, add: [.quote=name.] (no periods, before the quote).
To end quote: [./quote.] (no periods, after the quote).

 

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, cyberpi!

Victor,
While here you say, "There is no Christianity without Paul",the conclusion of your lengthy paper about Paul says:

What's up with that? Jekyll and Hide? Plenty of imagery words there to make a movie from.

In Victor's defense, not that he needs any, it was not he that initially made the comment "There is no Christianity without Paul." That would be me, and the specific comment Victor quoted was China Cat's echo of my sentiments. Victor was actually quoting in order to respond in the negative. That is, he disagrees with this comment.

I see you squeaked in a comment before I posted.