The Promised Messiah

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Jesus Christ—The Promised Messiah

TO HELP us identify the Messiah, Jehovah God inspired many Bible prophets to provide details about the birth, the ministry, and the death of this promised Deliverer. All these Bible prophecies were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. They are amazingly accurate and detailed. To illustrate this, let us consider a few prophecies that foretold events related to the Messiah’s birth and childhood.

The prophet Isaiah foretold that the Messiah would be a descendant of King David. (Isaiah 9:7) Jesus was indeed born in David’s line.—Matthew 1:1, 6-17.

Micah, another prophet of God, foretold that this child would eventually become a ruler and that he would be born in “Bethlehem Ephrathah.” (Micah 5:2) At the time of Jesus’ birth, there were two towns in Israel that were named Bethlehem. One was situated near Nazareth in the northern region of the country, and the other, near Jerusalem in Judah. Bethlehem near Jerusalem was formerly called Ephrathah. Jesus was born in that town, exactly as the prophecy foretold!—Matthew 2:1.

Another Bible prophecy foretold that the Son of God would be called “out of Egypt.” The child Jesus was taken into Egypt. He was brought back after the death of Herod, thus fulfilling the prophecy.—Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:15.
 
mee said:
Jesus Christ—The Promised Messiah

TO HELP us identify the Messiah, Jehovah God inspired many Bible prophets to provide details about the birth, the ministry, and the death of this promised Deliverer. All these Bible prophecies were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. They are amazingly accurate and detailed. To illustrate this, let us consider a few prophecies that foretold events related to the Messiah’s birth and childhood.

The prophet Isaiah foretold that the Messiah would be a descendant of King David. (Isaiah 9:7) Jesus was indeed born in David’s line.—Matthew 1:1, 6-17.

Micah, another prophet of God, foretold that this child would eventually become a ruler and that he would be born in “Bethlehem Ephrathah.” (Micah 5:2) At the time of Jesus’ birth, there were two towns in Israel that were named Bethlehem. One was situated near Nazareth in the northern region of the country, and the other, near Jerusalem in Judah. Bethlehem near Jerusalem was formerly called Ephrathah. Jesus was born in that town, exactly as the prophecy foretold!—Matthew 2:1.

Another Bible prophecy foretold that the Son of God would be called “out of Egypt.” The child Jesus was taken into Egypt. He was brought back after the death of Herod, thus fulfilling the prophecy.—Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:15.
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Yes, these are some of the OT prophecies pointed to.

Of course, our esteemed Jewish friends likely have a bit different view.

And of course there are the nay sayers that imply the *myth* of Jesus was built to deliberately accomodate such prophecies.

It will be interesting to see what comes to pass. I have long looked for the time promised in Isaiah 11.
 
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Psalms 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

Psalms 22:2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.

Psalms 22:3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.

Psalms 22:4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.

Psalms 22:5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.

Psalms 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

Psalms 22:7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,

Psalms 22:8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

Psalms 22:9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.

Psalms 22:10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

Psalms 22:11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.

Psalms 22:12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.

Psalms 22:13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

Psalms 22:14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

Psalms 22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Psalms 22:17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

Psalms 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Psalms 22:19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.

Psalms 22:20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.

Psalms 22:21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

Psalms 22:22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.

Psalms 22:23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

Psalms 22:24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

Psalms 22:25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.

Psalms 22:26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

Psalms 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

Psalms 22:28 For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations.

Psalms 22:29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

Psalms 22:30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

Psalms 22:31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.
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This is the most profound prophecy in my opinion... ;)
 
juantoo3 said:
Yes, these are some of the OT prophecies pointed to.

Of course, our esteemed Jewish friends likely have a bit different view.

And of course there are the nay sayers that imply the *myth* of Jesus was built to deliberately accomodate such prophecies.

It will be interesting to see what comes to pass. I have long looked for the time promised in Isaiah 11.
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yes ,back in Jesus day the religious leaders of the day , who claimed to represent the true God,did not recognize that Jesus was fullfilling prophecy and they did not recognize him as Gods representative . and as you mentioned, there are other prophecies about Jesus in the hebrew scriptures.


And there must go forth a twig out of the stump of Jes´se; and out of his roots a sprout will be fruitful. And upon him the spirit of Jehovah must settle down, the spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the spirit of counsel and of mightiness, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah; 3 and there will be enjoyment by him in the fear of Jehovah.ISAIAH 1;1 -3


11:1, 10—How can Jesus Christ be "a twig out of the stump of Jesse" as well as "the root of Jesse"? (Romans 15:12) Jesus was "out of the stump of Jesse" in a fleshly way. He was a descendant of Jesse through Jesse’s son David. (Matthew 1:1-6; Luke 3:23-32) However, the receiving of the kingly power affects Jesus’ relationship with his ancestors. By virtue of his having been given power and authority to grant obedient mankind everlasting life on earth, Jesus becomes their "Eternal Father." (Isaiah 9:6) Hence, he is also "the root" of his ancestors, including Jesse.


‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to YOU people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star.’"REVELATION 22;16

But one of the elders says to me: "Stop weeping. Look! The Lion that is of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals."REVELATION 5;5


And you must say to him,
"‘This is what Jehovah of armies has said: "Here is the man whose name is Sprout. And from his own place he will sprout, and he will certainly build the temple of Jehovah ZECARIAH 6;12 ​




And he will come up like a twig before one, and like a root out of waterless land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; and when we shall see him, there is not the appearance so that we should desire him.ISAIAH 53;2


 
mee said:
yes ,back in Jesus day the religious leaders of the day , who claimed to represent the true God,did not recognize that Jesus was fullfilling prophecy and they did not recognize him as Gods representative . and as you mentioned, there are other prophecies about Jesus in the hebrew scriptures.


And there must go forth a twig out of the stump of Jes´se; and out of his roots a sprout will be fruitful. And upon him the spirit of Jehovah must settle down, the spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the spirit of counsel and of mightiness, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah; 3 and there will be enjoyment by him in the fear of Jehovah.ISAIAH 1;1 -3


11:1, 10—How can Jesus Christ be "a twig out of the stump of Jesse" as well as "the root of Jesse"? (Romans 15:12) Jesus was "out of the stump of Jesse" in a fleshly way. He was a descendant of Jesse through Jesse’s son David. (Matthew 1:1-6; Luke 3:23-32) However, the receiving of the kingly power affects Jesus’ relationship with his ancestors. By virtue of his having been given power and authority to grant obedient mankind everlasting life on earth, Jesus becomes their "Eternal Father." (Isaiah 9:6) Hence, he is also "the root" of his ancestors, including Jesse.
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Yeaah, butttt...there's this little problem here that can confound some Christians...

Jesus (Yashua) is related to David by Jesse on his *earthly* daddy Joseph's side. Which, because his momma was from the Levitical side, means that either Jesus was qualified as Messiah by culmination of the line of the Kings as well as the line of Priests *through his flesh*, or else his daddy's lineage is just a happy accident that is irrelevent because Joseph isn't Jesus' sire because G-d is.

Quite the conundrum, that. In order to fulfill this prophecy, Jesus has to be *fully* human with all that entails. If on the other hand Jesus is (at least part) Divine, then the connection to the line of the Kings is forfeited, and He no longer satisfies this prophecy...

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mee said:
The prophet Isaiah foretold that the Messiah would be a descendant of King David. (Isaiah 9:7) Jesus was indeed born in David’s line.—Matthew 1:1, 6-17.
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I've had some trouble with this because he's not technically born in David's line - at least, not the way it's all layed out in Matthew. He's not technically Joseph's son. Not by blood, at least.

Can someone help me with this?
 
Kindest Regards, mal, and welcome to CR!
mal said:
I've had some trouble with this because he's not technically born in David's line - at least, not the way it's all layed out in Matthew. He's not technically Joseph's son. Not by blood, at least.

Can someone help me with this?
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I think you will find that most Christians choose not to struggle with this...it is one of those "mysteries" they don't dare try to wrap their minds around, it makes 'em nuts. Some are even taught it is un-Christlike or sinful to question, that they must believe what they are told from the pulpit in spite of what the Word of G-d actually says.

From an institutional point of view, there are a number of answers: those that desire Jesus to be the embodiment of G-d in the flesh ignore this prophecy, or treat it with kid gloves and lip service *only.* Those who desire Jesus to be a human-teacher, a great one no doubt but human just the same, can claim this to help solidify the inerrancy of Biblical prophecy. Needless to say, there is a lot of political manuevering between various Christian denominations over just who among them is "right" on this.
 
mal said:
I've had some trouble with this because he's not technically born in David's line - at least, not the way it's all layed out in Matthew. He's not technically Joseph's son. Not by blood, at least.

Can someone help me with this?
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He is legally adopted by Joseph, and then there is Mary the biological line.
 
BlaznFattyz said:
He is legally adopted by Joseph, and then there is Mary the biological line.
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Kindest Regards, Blazn!

Even if adopted, that still means that Jesus is not *blood* related to the line of the kings and David, which by the prophecy is required for being Messiah.

In other words, if G-d is Jesus' sire and not Joseph, then Jesus did not fulfill this particular prophecy...(and dare I say then Christians should be looking for another as Messiah?)

The only way out, that is to say for Jesus to fulfill this particular prophecy, is if Jesus is the flesh born son of Joseph's loins.
 
juantoo3 said:
Kindest Regards, Blazn!

Even if adopted, that still means that Jesus is not *blood* related to the line of the kings and David, which by the prophecy is required for being Messiah.
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Line of David; biologically thru mary, legally thru joseph.
 
BlaznFattyz said:
Line of David; biologically thru mary, legally thru joseph.
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But see, that is just a tap dance around the issue. That is an attempt at rationalizing and justification, but it does not satisfy the *blood* nature of the prophecy. Was Solomon the son of David, or the *adopted* son of David? Name one *adopted* son of any king that went on to be King without intrigue throughout Jewish and Christian history...I can think of none. The only I *can* think of was a Roman Pagan and predated Jesus by about 50 years.

So while yes, I am acutely aware of the significance of adoption, and that it is by the spirit of adoption I am of the wild vine grafted into the good vine and by such promise hold on to hope of salvation...I make no claim to any throne. A throne *is by blood,* not adoption.

Besides, Joseph couldn't *legally* (in the sense we think of today) adopt Jesus without jeopardizing Mary and putting her at risk of being stoned to death for adultery... ;)
 
juantoo3 said:
But see, that is just a tap dance around the issue. That is an attempt at rationalizing and justification, but it does not satisfy the *blood* nature of the prophecy. Was Solomon the son of David, or the *adopted* son of David? Name one *adopted* son of any king that went on to be King without intrigue throughout Jewish and Christian history...I can think of none. The only I *can* think of was a Roman Pagan and predated Jesus by about 50 years.

So while yes, I am acutely aware of the significance of adoption, and that it is by the spirit of adoption I am of the wild vine grafted into the good vine and by such promise hold on to hope of salvation...I make no claim to any throne. A throne *is by blood,* not adoption.

Besides, Joseph couldn't *legally* (in the sense we think of today) adopt Jesus without jeopardizing Mary and putting her at risk of being stoned to death for adultery... ;)
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adopted would be a legal heir. and yes, like you said we should not downgrade adoption which is how many of us are part of gods kingdom so you can see how important it is and its significance to God.
 
BlaznFattyz said:
adopted would be a legal heir. and yes, like you said we should not downgrade adoption which is how many of us are part of gods kingdom so you can see how important it is and its significance to God.
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I'm afraid you may have missed the point. In order for Joseph to *legally* adopt Jesus it would have required that Mary be exposed as an adulteress, in which case Joseph would have been obligated, -by law-, to have her stoned to death. Since she was there at Jesus' crucifixion, we can fairly guess that Joseph did *not* legally adopt Jesus.

And it is good you see the value of adoption. It is by that spirit and practice of adoption that *all* Christians are grafted into the chosen vine of the Jews. (Of course I would think some of our Jewish friends might argue otherwise) ;)
 
I was thinking the same about missing the point... like so many stories in the bible, and without going in to all the story's details regarding Mary and Joseph, when God wants something to happen, He makes it happen. One example of stoning, was Jesus' preaching and claiming to be God, but because it wasnt his time to die the stoning never happened.
 
Then there are those of us who believe that Jesus was Joseph's biological son, and that the English translation of the prophency "born of a virgin" is inaccurate (the accurate translation being "born of a young woman").

The little bit (and I admit, I don't exactly trouble myself to work all these details out, just not my thing) I've looked into the translation, it is likely the prophecy was misinterpreted, and then later his early birth story was made to match. This is further evidenced by the likelihood that Mark was written first, and contains nothing of the birth story. It is more of a straight journalistic account of what happened. Matthew and Luke were written later, probably with the benefit of having Mark already, and by that time were starting to try to justify Jesus as Messiah, and so were grappling with various prophecies and needing a miraculous birth story.

I realize this puts me in the minority, but I don't think Jesus needs to be born of a virgin to be the Son of God. Regular birth is perfectly miraculous in itself, and it isn't like our soul or spirit is conceived by biology anyway, but rather is created by God. So it is perfectly reasonable to me that Jesus was born in a usual way, just like every child, from Mary and Joseph. His soul/spirit was entirely from God. Thus, he was 100% divine and 100% human- a human body with a divine spirit.

Virgin births are plastered all over the world's Pagan myths, so it's not exactly an uncommon belief. For this reason alone, I am a bit skeptical about it being a unique prophecy for our Lord.

Of course, I could be entirely wrong as well. At the end of the day, it isn't an issue I care that much about. But I've done the little thought experiment. ;)
 
Jesus’
Lineage​


Jesus’ lineage is the first evidence the Christian Greek Scriptures give in support of his Messiahship. The Bible foretold that the Messiah would come from the family line of King David. (Psalm 132:11, 12; Isaiah 11:1, 10) Matthew’s Gospel begins: "The book of the history of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham." Matthew backs up this bold claim by tracing Jesus’ descent through the line of his adoptive father, Joseph. (Matthew 1:1-16) Luke’s Gospel traces Jesus’ lineage through his natural mother, Mary, back through David and Abraham to Adam. (Luke 3:23-38) Thus the Gospel writers thoroughly document their claim that Jesus was an heir of David, both in a legal and in a natural sense.

Even the most skeptical opponent of Jesus’ Messiahship cannot deny Jesus’ claim to be a son of David. Why? There are two reasons. One, that claim was widely repeated in Jerusalem for decades before the city was destroyed in 70 C.E. (Compare Matthew 21:9; Acts 4:27; 5:27, 28.) If the claim was false, any of Jesus’ opponents—and he had many—could have proved Jesus a fraud simply by checking his lineage in the genealogies in the public archives. But history has no record of anyone challenging Jesus’ descent from King David. Evidently, the claim was unassailable. No doubt Matthew and Luke copied the salient names for their accounts directly from the public records.
Second, sources outside the Bible confirm the general acceptance of Jesus’ lineage. For instance, the Talmud records a fourth-century rabbi as making a scurrilous attack on Mary, the mother of Jesus, for ‘playing the harlot with carpenters’; but the same passage concedes that "she was the descendant of princes and rulers." An earlier example is the second-century historian Hegesippus. He related that when the Roman Caesar Domitian wanted to exterminate any descendants of David, some enemies of the early Christians denounced the grandsons of Jude, Jesus’ half brother, "as being of the family of David." If Jude was a known descendant of David, was not Jesus as well? Undeniably!—Galatians 1:19; Jude 1.
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Mee... Thanks for the cut and paste literal confirmation of why it is so important to trace the lineages involved here. Look up the meaning of the name "Joseph" in your Concordance, and you will discover what it means.

It means "one who is added". Does that mean that Joseph and Jesus' lineage denotes non-earthly origins ? In addition to Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Romulus and Remus (loved that Song of the South cartoon !) etc. which mythically denotes the primeval arrangement of populating the Earth with the progeny of the "two brothers", could there be a "third" sort of being among us ? Oh my, a third type of earthly inhabitants ? Oh my, consider the possibilities.

WHAT IS YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT ALL OF THIS ?
*hint...ask Iggy, he might know*

flow....:rolleyes:
 
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