Who Are They?

lol! We really are searching around hard for something to throw at mee now aren't we..... I love how man will go to so much effort simply to prove another wrong... EXAMPLE:

"MEE! On page 17 in the bible... There is a coma AFTER it mentions Jesus(saws) but I have noticed that on your bible and in the watchtower they don't put the comma!! You must be wrong come one, come all lets point and laugh........"

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;) when a person has an accurate knowledge of the bible they just give it out ,they dont need to do any thing else . because truth is abundant .
Daniel 12;4 but there are many oppossers :) at least it keeps me on my toes and stops me falling asleep. maybe they dont realize that they are making my faith even stonger. LOL. it keeps me busy finding the answers from my studiyng of truth
 
lol! We really are searching around hard for something to throw at mee now aren't we..... I love how man will go to so much effort simply to prove another wrong... EXAMPLE:

"MEE! On page 17 in the bible... There is a coma AFTER it mentions Jesus(saws) but I have noticed that on your bible and in the watchtower they don't put the comma!! You must be wrong come one, come all lets point and laugh........"

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Shalom,
A man can think for himself. We need to examine, not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated.

If we are lovers of the truth, there is nothing to fear from such an examination. It should be the sincere desire of every one of us to learn what God’s will is for us and then do it.

"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads." And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:"Rev 14:1-2

What a lovely description: "harpers harping with their harps" "As the choir of Bodhisattvas assembles, until the culmination of the last and final elated luminary, there amassed amongst the peoples is also our Christ most fully adorned."

Revelation 14:3 "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne,
and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins.These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

The Bodhisattvas are "virgins" because of their infrequent incarnations.They are "first fruits unto God" as they are of ancient origin- "being closer to the first men ever, being as first-removed from Christ and less impelled to leave Him."

Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are
without fault before the throne of God.

Best Regards,
Br.Bruce
 
Shalom,
A man can think for himself. We need to examine, not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated.

If we are lovers of the truth, there is nothing to fear from such an examination. It should be the sincere desire of every one of us to learn what God’s will is for us and then do it.

"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads." And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:"Rev 14:1-2

What a lovely description: "harpers harping with their harps" "As the choir of Bodhisattvas assembles, until the culmination of the last and final elated luminary, there amassed amongst the peoples is also our Christ most fully adorned."

Revelation 14:3 "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne,and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins.These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

The Bodhisattvas are "virgins" because of their infrequent incarnations.They are "first fruits unto God" as they are of ancient origin- "being closer to the first men ever, being as first-removed from Christ and less impelled to leave Him."

Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Best Regards,
Br.Bruce
yes i quite agree we need to examine and not just believe what others tell us .
many religious leaders teach things not inline with the bible but they are doctrines of men that have made their way into christian teachings , and those doctrines have even clouded the inspired word of God the bible .

but i am glad to say that the spiritual virgins that are spoken of in revelation 14;5 have not contaminated themselves with babylonish teachings but they are faithful to the pure word of the bible and the teachings of christ . and no falsehood is found in their mouths. yes these spiritual virgins ,are a faithful bride of christ, and they do not have any part in commiting spritual adultery and that makes them clean and pure in the eyes of Jehovah and his son Jesus christ. and because they are making a good bride for christ ,he is giving them lots of things that no one else can master. and they are the only ones that can master the song. yes those spiritual virgins are not interested in other impure teachings they are only for christ and what he taught.


that is why they are given a new song and it belongs to them only . no one else can master it .
 
but i am glad to say that the spiritual virgins that are spoken of in revelation 14;5

Hi Mee,

"not defiled by women"
"First Fruits"
have not contaminated themselves with babylonish teachings but they are faithful to the pure word of the bible and the teachings of christ .
Yes indeed Brother, there are movements with reasoning which entraps their kind in half-truth- deny Christ's existence.

Does the English translation under the Greek at Revelation 5:10 say those who will “sing a new song” will rule “over” the earth, or “upon” the earth?

In Christ,
Br.Bruce
 
Hi Mee,

"not defiled by women"
"First Fruits"
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In Christ,
Br.Bruce
Yes the first fruits are the 144,000 who will be ruling with christ in the heavenly kingdom. and they have not been unfaithful to christ they have not defiled themselves with women .

The "women" therefore must be symbolic women, doubtless religious organizations such as Babylon the Great and her ‘daughters,’ false religious organizations, the joining of and participation in which would prevent one from being spotless. (Re 17:5) This symbolic description harmonizes with the requirement in the Law that the high priest of Israel take only a virgin for his wife, for Jesus Christ is Jehovah’s great High Priest.—Le 21:10, 14; 2Co 11:2; Heb 7:26.

What characterizes this class is a spiritual virginity. They have avoided spiritual adultery with worldly politics and with false religion. (James 4:4; Revelation 17:5) As the betrothed bride of Christ, they have kept themselves pure, "without a blemish in among a crooked and twisted generation."—Philippians 2:15.

 
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Does the English translation under the Greek at Revelation 5:10 say those who will “sing a new song” will rule “over” the earth, or “upon” the earth?

In Christ,
Br.Bruce
10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth."

"Over." Gr., e·pi´, with the genitive, as in rev 9:11; 11:6.
 
10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth."

"Over." Gr., e·pi´, with the genitive, as in rev 9:11; 11:6.
Revelation 5;10
EPI is a preposition that has somewhat different meanings depending upon
what case it is used with. It basically means "upon" or "onto." With a
dative it can even mean "on top of (x)" in the sense of "in addition to
(x)." With a genitive it tends to mean "on," "upon," "over" the area
coextensive with the noun in the genitive case: "And they will be kings
upon the surface of the (whole) earth" = "And they will exercise kingship
over the (whole) earth."

It's worth noting, however, that the Greek usage of the book of Revelation
in many respects does not conform to the Greek usage of most other NT
texts. For whatever reason (Greek being a second, less familiar language;
accommodation of the Greek written to Semitic patterns of syntax; other
possibilities . . .), it may well be that BASILEUOUSIN THS GHS is what
other Greek-speakers/writers might have put in this instance because verbs
of governance generally take a genitive complement to indicate what is
being governed: BASILEUSOUSIN THS GHS would also translate as "will rule
over the earth." And that could be what was intended. You realize that this
is somewhat speculative, but I add it because the more normal (common)
understanding of EPI THS GHS would be "upon the surface of the earth." TheGreek of Revelation, I repeat, does not conform to more common Greek idiomat many points.

According to the Watchtower, the Gentile Times began when Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE, lasted 2,520 years, and ended in 1914, (see Aid To Bible Understanding,pp. 94-96).

If this is true then who besides the Watchtower says Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE? Why do all history scholars say it fell in 586/587 BC?
Temple in Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Hi "Mee",
Mee pasted:
>>The "women" therefore must be symbolic women, doubtless religious organizations >>such as Babylon the Great and her ‘daughters,’ false religious organizations, the >>joining of and participation in which would prevent one from being spotless.

The Bible says nothing about this Mr. Mee. Nothing about organisations there, nothing about "spiritual virgins".

That's alright- you can interpret it any way you like if it makes you (or an organisation) happy.

The "first fruit" or first born, are the 144,000- not paid up organisation members. What vanity! Do you really think Christ cares what organisation you belong to? We all can have a personal relationship with Christ- without the intermediary of an earthly organisation.


Is Paul speaking of natural Israel (the Jews), or spiritual Israel (the 144,000, according to the Watchtower), in Romans 11:1? If he is speaking of spiritual Israel, the 144,000, then why are they called “blind” and “enemies of the gospel” for the sake of the Gentiles in verses 25 and 28?

—If God called the Jews to be his chosen people, is His calling with, or without, repentance (i.e., is it revocable, or irrevocable)? (see verse 29)

When each of us stands before the Judgment Seat of Christ we will bow the knee to Him and confess Him as Lord (Philippians 2:10, 11. Cf. with Isaiah 45:23). Each of us will give account of ourselves for what we did with Christ, the object of Christian faith. On what basis will you be accepted by Him?

In Freedom,
Br.Bruce






 
Hi "Mee",
Mee pasted:
>>The "women" therefore must be symbolic women, doubtless religious organizations >>such as Babylon the Great and her ‘daughters,’ false religious organizations, the >>joining of and participation in which would prevent one from being spotless.

The Bible says nothing about this Mr. Mee. Nothing about organisations there, nothing about "spiritual virgins".

That's alright- you can interpret it any way you like if it makes you (or an organisation) happy.

The "first fruit" or first born, are the 144,000- not paid up organisation members. What vanity! Do you really think Christ cares what organisation you belong to? We all can have a personal relationship with Christ- without the intermediary of an earthly organisation.


Is Paul speaking of natural Israel (the Jews), or spiritual Israel (the 144,000, according to the Watchtower), in Romans 11:1? If he is speaking of spiritual Israel, the 144,000, then why are they called “blind” and “enemies of the gospel” for the sake of the Gentiles in verses 25 and 28?

—If God called the Jews to be his chosen people, is His calling with, or without, repentance (i.e., is it revocable, or irrevocable)? (see verse 29)

When each of us stands before the Judgment Seat of Christ we will bow the knee to Him and confess Him as Lord (Philippians 2:10, 11. Cf. with Isaiah 45:23). Each of us will give account of ourselves for what we did with Christ, the object of Christian faith. On what basis will you be accepted by Him?

In Freedom,
Br.Bruce
Umm if I may...natural Israel consists of twelve tribes, of which Judah in but one... In furtherance, the kingdom of Israel was divided into two kingdoms, one being run by the tribe of Judah (Jews), and the other consisting of the remaining 11 tribes (or 12 if you count the splitting of Manessa and Easau's tribe). Therefore, it is logical to conclude that Judah is not all of Israel, therefore not the main theme of the Bible, when "Israel" is being discussed. Judah never lost its identity, but the other tribes apparently did...or did they? Who are the Danes? Where are Ruben's people? Issac's sons? How about Levi's decendants? They weren't simply swallowed up in the annals of history...they are all Israel, and just as tough as their brothers and sisters of Judah...

One to ponder.

v/r

Q
 
The Bible says nothing about this Mr. Mee. Nothing about organisations there, nothing about "spiritual virgins".



In Freedom,
Br.Bruce

would you not agree that the bible book of revelation is highly symbolic? and it is being revealed and uncovered .

yes its all happening in this time that we are living in . and the understanding is very abundant indeed DANIEL 12;4
and those who have been given insight are making known many things , especially in the lords day , and the lords day started in 1914 thats because he was given great aurthority and power at that time, and now we are well along into bible prophecy and the revealing goes on .


yes the woman known as a harlot in the bible book of revelation is THE WORLDWIDE EMPIRE OF FALSE RELIGION and she has many daughters, but Gods people have heeded the command to GET OUT OF HER revelation 18;4 soon the wildbeast that she is riding will turn on her .

"As regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many."—DANIEL 11:33.


In our day, a major way in which Jehovah has set his witnesses apart as a distinct people is by the insight he has provided through his visible organization.


taste and see that Jehovah is good :)

 
would you not agree that the bible book of revelation is highly symbolic? and it is being revealed and uncovered .


In our day, a major way in which Jehovah has set his witnesses apart as a distinct people is by the insight he has provided through his visible organization.





Of course, there is symbolism and allegory in the Bible- you find Bible authors saying as much. But then is is up to everyone to find the answer to those symbols.

As always, we must examine our personal vanities, and those vanities promoted by earthly organisations- using the switch and bait of fear and pride.

Humility is the best approach to God. Not to be confused with the crushing of wills, and personal decision.

God Bless,
Br.Bruce
 
Of course, there is symbolism and allegory in the Bible- you find Bible authors saying as much. But then is is up to everyone to find the answer to those symbols.

As always, we must examine our personal vanities, and those vanities promoted by earthly organisations- using the switch and bait of fear and pride.

Humility is the best approach to God. Not to be confused with the crushing of wills, and personal decision.

God Bless,
Br.Bruce
so would you agree that the bible speaks about those who are given insight .

"As regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many."—DANIEL 11:33.

And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.DANIEL 12;3


its all happening especially in the last days .

And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant." daniel 12;4


and it is verrry goooood :)

 
Umm if I may...natural Israel consists of twelve tribes, of which Judah in but one... In furtherance, the kingdom of Israel was divided into two kingdoms, one being run by the tribe of Judah (Jews), and the other consisting of the remaining 11 tribes (or 12 if you count the splitting of Manessa and Easau's tribe).
The kingdom of "Judah" contained two tribes, Judah and Benjamin, and part of Levi (scattered among cities in both south and north), and also the old tribe of Simeon, which had gotten completely absorbed into Judah, which is why the large Joseph tribe was divided into Manasseh and Ephraim to keep the list at 12. The north kingdom is therefore referred to as having "ten" tribes (Manasseh, Ephraim, part of Levi, plus Zebulon, Naphtali, Issachar, Dan, and the minor tribes Asher, Gad, Reuben).
"Levi" still retains its separate identity, as does the "Cohen" clan within "Levi" (the descendants of Aaron, eligible for priesthood back in the Temple days).
 
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