more stupid questions.

In regards to Vatican Wealth....tis interesting as we just got the new sin lists...

this Time magazine article placed the Vatican Wealth at 10-15 billion dollars in 1965

I've heard trillions when one considers the land holdings of the Archdioces in the US and arround the world. Just look at the size and locations of the churches and schools in big city locations...t..t..t...tax free.


The New Mortal Sins
1.) genetic modification
2.) carrying out experiments on humans
3.) polluting the environment
4.) causing social injustice
5.) causing poverty
6.) becoming obscenely wealthy
7.) taking drugs

In June of 2007, the Vatican also released "Guidelines for the Pastoral Care of the Road." The list extols the benefits of using a vehicle for family outings, getting the sick to the hospital and laments a host of ills associated with automobiles.
The "Drivers' Ten Commandments"
1.) You shall not kill.
2.) The road shall be for you a means of communion between people and not of mortal harm.
3.) Courtesy, uprightness and prudence will help you deal with unforeseen events.
4.) Be charitable and help your neighbor in need, especially victims of accidents.
5.) Cars shall not be for you an expression of power and domination, and an occasion of sin.
6.) Charitably convince the young and not so young not to drive when they are not in a fitting condition to do so.
7.) Support the families of accident victims.
8.) Bring guilty motorists and their victims together, at the appropriate time, so that they can undergo the liberating experience of forgiveness.
9.) On the road, protect the more vulnerable party.
10.) Feel responsible toward others.
 
seems to me, i have opened another can of worms.

Hi Greymare —

Well, everyone has an opinion when it comes to how much the Vatican is worth... as long as you take all of it with a pinch of salt, you'll be OK.

Thomas
 
so, what is the difference between, catholics, presbytarian, lutheran, anglican, born again christians, baptists etc.
  • Catholics: three or four flavors, multiplied by the Mystics, Conservatives, Liberals, and other various differences of opinion. Operationally there are only three or four.
  • Presbytarian: strong Calvinist influence, varies by continent and location
  • Lutheran: Strong ties to the Anglican church. Its almost synonymous with Anglican. The Lutheran church has a bank, retirement homes, and other organized community services.
  • Born again Christians: this is actually not a denomination but is a change in emphasis or change in teaching that has impacted many denominations in the last century or so. It has to do with something Jesus said. Really its an evangelism hook "Excuse me, but have you been 'Born again', sir?"
  • Baptists: extremely diverse group of churches. Every one is different. They have memberships in various missionary funds, such as the 'Southern Baptist Convention' and that is their main method of organization. Some of the missionary organizations have grown to include Seminaries, Pastoral recommendations, and other centralizing services.
  • Other major denominations: 7th Day Adventists, Pentecostals, Church of Christ, Assemblies of God, 'Non-denominational Fellowships', and more.
My opinion is that Christian denominations teach us that when people try to do good by centralizing religious authority, they inevitably fail. Centralization of Christianity only works well when it is partnered with a scary authoritarian government. Then everybody stays in line and the government is Divine.

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Hi Dream —

Centralization of Christianity only works well when it is partnered with a scary authoritarian government. Then everybody stays in line and the government is Divine.

You've put your finger on it. The challenge of Christianity is to gather together as one, under an authority that need not be scary or authoritarian — that's why Jesus offered the image of the Shepherd.

But that requires people to love their neighbour and forgive them their trepasses to make it work ... but that's a degree of self-sacrifice that people find just too demanding — moreso now than ever before in the west, where 'the cult of the individual' has become paramount.

Thomas
 
that requires people to love their neighbour and forgive them their trepasses to make it work ...
It is true that neighbors are required to forgive neighbors, and a neighbor is actually required to offend another neighbor in certain situations: Deuteronomy 23:15 "You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you;

The connotation of the freeing of slaves carries over to freedom of religion for individuals. In Deuteronomy 23 (above) the servant was legally permitted to run from a cruel employer and even the employer's neighbors and friends were commanded to assist the runaway. They had to hide that servant while providing both food and lodging. They were forbidden to turn him or her in. By this method, the servant judged the master. It is also up to individuals to judge pastors and religious leaders by leaving or staying. The pastor's own neighbors are morally required to assist individuals who wish to leave. It would be wrong to forcibly return any individual to a place they have left, because in this case the individual has been declared the judge of the leader.
 
ok, heres another one. what do jewish people believe that is so different. that is probably too much of a question, but as i donot know any jewish persons, i dont even know where their religion started. for eg. do they believe in adam and eve (genisis) that kind of stuff? once again, all i know is incidental from movies etc. this is probably the wrong forum for this eh?
 
There are a couple of really great guys to ask, bananabrain and dauer, both of whom are actually Jewish and spend quite a bit of time on the Jewish board.

My short answer, subject to correction by any of our esteemed Jewish friends, is that yes the Jews believe in Adam and Eve and the whole *Old* Testament. That is basically their Bible, although they do list their books in a bit different order than Christians do. Primarily they do not hold the New Testament as sacred, that would include the emphasis on Jesus as Messiah. They are still looking for Messiah, and they expect Messiah to be more of a political figure than a spiritual one.

At least, that is my understanding.
 
and dont make the mistake of thinking all jews, there are many in my church, and many i know outside of church that keep traditional jewish holidays, but believe in jesus christ.
 
The main difference between Christianity and Judaism is the way that Christians perceive Judaism and the way Jews perceive it. In other words, your perspective on Christianity changes directly in proportion to your awareness of Judaism because of Christianity's dependent nature. It depends upon the authenticity of Judaism. Islam, as an opposite example, has some related texts to Judaism but does not really rely upon its authenticity. I think that Christians become more unified proportionately as their awareness of Judaism increases. You could actually classify the denominations by their awareness.

An example of the difference perspective makes: Christian 'Old Testaments' are really a re-arranged version of the Tanach. While we Christians call the Tanach 'Old Testament' it is actually not considered to be an 'Old Testament' by any of the Christian 'New Testament' writers. The books are the same, but in a slightly different arrangement. Quoting Jesus: "And he said to them, "Therefore every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old.(Matthew 13:52)." Jesus refers to the Tanach as 'Treasure,' which is the opposite of calling it an 'Old Testament'. Christians are not required to call it 'Old Testament' as an article of faith, but a Christian is often simply unaware of the original Jewish perspective on the matter. If it were really an 'Old Testament' than Christianity could not be authentic. Its the same way with perspectives on lots of other things.
 
While we Christians call the Tanach 'Old Testament' it is actually not considered to be an 'Old Testament' by any of the Christian 'New Testament' writers. ...Jesus refers to the Tanach as 'Treasure,' which is the opposite of calling it an 'Old Testament'. Christians are not required to call it 'Old Testament' as an article of faith, but a Christian is often simply unaware of the original Jewish perspective on the matter. If it were really an 'Old Testament' than Christianity could not be authentic.
Thanks, Dream. I would add, the Old Testament is the whole Bible that Jesus and the disciples (including Paul) had, learned from and knew. Before the New Testament was written, there was no New Testament. That sounds like it should be obvious, but I am continually amazed at how often people forget to consider this...Jesus did not read from the New Testament, the first NT book was written something like 30 years *after* Jesus died.
 
thanks for that 123, it is obvious but i didnt really give it much thought until you just said it then.............DUH............ now i know how Homer Simpson feels. lol
 
more stupid questions, and i dont know if this is the correct forum, so move me if you wish.
so, what is the difference between, catholics, presbytarian, lutheran, anglican, born again christians, baptists etc. or perhaps i could ask,, what are the similarities. I know nothing at all about most of these, but from what i see they are similar and basically sing differnt hymns. If this questionis too vague, i apologise.:o:)
Catholics kiss, Lutherans don't, Presbytarians will, Methodists won't, Anglicans marry, Romans refrain, Episcepals have no clue, to Baptists it's all insane.

Born again crosses all denominations. It is a time when one turns to God and says "I give myself to you". Easy to say, very hard to do.

The only "stupid question" is the one not asked...:D
 
The main difference between Christianity and Judaism is the way that Christians perceive Judaism and the way Jews perceive it. In other words, your perspective on Christianity changes directly in proportion to your awareness of Judaism because of Christianity's dependent nature. It depends upon the authenticity of Judaism. Islam, as an opposite example, has some related texts to Judaism but does not really rely upon its authenticity. I think that Christians become more unified proportionately as their awareness of Judaism increases. You could actually classify the denominations by their awareness.

An example of the difference perspective makes: Christian 'Old Testaments' are really a re-arranged version of the Tanach. While we Christians call the Tanach 'Old Testament' it is actually not considered to be an 'Old Testament' by any of the Christian 'New Testament' writers. The books are the same, but in a slightly different arrangement. Quoting Jesus: "And he said to them, "Therefore every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old.(Matthew 13:52)." Jesus refers to the Tanach as 'Treasure,' which is the opposite of calling it an 'Old Testament'. Christians are not required to call it 'Old Testament' as an article of faith, but a Christian is often simply unaware of the original Jewish perspective on the matter. If it were really an 'Old Testament' than Christianity could not be authentic. Its the same way with perspectives on lots of other things.

If I didn't know better, I'd swear you were a Messianic Jew...
 
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