Jesus: What happens now?

[Quahom1]

very true it can be used for good or bad , its better when it is used for good things

Such is the strength of this little member, our tongue, that can spot up all the body. (James 3:5-9) Wise we are to guard the tongue.

read between the lines...

 

[Bishadi]

We would be deceiving ourselves if we thought that God is pleased with our worship if we slander others, tell lies, or misuse the tongue in other ways. (Leviticus 19:16; Ephesians 4:25)

So did eve come from adam?

And then if Jesus died for our sins, then what happens now; he didn't stay dead.........

 

[Quahom1]

So did eve come from adam?

And then if Jesus died for our sins, then what happens now; he didn't stay dead.........

Well let's see:

She didn't come from his head, to be over him, nor from his feet to be below him. She came from his side, to be equal to him, from under his arm to be protected by him and from near his heart...to be loved by him.

What do you think?

As far as Jesus, the rest is up to us. In other words, we either accept his gift, or we reject it. He didn't stay dead, to show us he is the toughest and the most powerful of all, even over death. If Jesus (GOD) is for us, who can be against us?

 

[mee]

So did eve come from adam?

And then if Jesus died for our sins, then what happens now; he didn't stay dead.........

have you read the bible? it will give you many answers

 

[Bishadi]

Well let's see:

She didn't come from his head, to be over him, nor from his feet to be below him. She came from his side, to be equal to him, from under his arm to be protected by him and from near his heart...to be loved by him.

What do you think?

That you are stuck in genesis to offer you understanding.

As far as Jesus, the rest is up to us. In other words, we either accept his gift, or we reject it.

Did Jesus author genesis?

He didn't stay dead,

Was the question a child asked to comprehend; seems you did not comprehend what happened in the story of 'dying to forgive sinse'

but you say this

to show us he is the toughest and the most powerful of all

Why.... did he have a reason to show off and be a pride fool? Well then I ask did he not go to the court that sentenced him, if you have all the answers ...'to show us he is the toughest'....

If Jesus (GOD) is for us, who can be against us?

Your own selfish pride, ignorance, retention of faith over remaining true to God..... the list is huge

and every item can be grounded in the 6 commandments as Jesus said......

and it is real easy to see 'choice' is what caused Adam leave the garden....

 

[LeoSalinas22]

just curious bishadi, where is your stance? from what i have read on your posts so far is that the book, the bible, itself is not necessary to gain true understanding of God Himself. please correct me if i am wrong. Thanks.

 

[Bishadi]

just curious bishadi, where is your stance? from what i have read on your posts so far is that the book, the bible, itself is not necessary to gain true understanding of God Himself. please correct me if i am wrong. Thanks.

If God is within or all of existence at the same time, then why is one definition and not the definitions from all mankind important?

Meaning to honor God and life, then the duty is to honor knowledge in general to even come close to understanding God.

 

[LeoSalinas22]

i ask because lately the book itself, though filled with amazing knowledge, has just become untrustworthy. alot of the things i have learned on this sight have alot to do with this as you may know, because the bible over the years has become corrupt or tampered with, especially the gospel and paul's letters. so i turn to the next thing available, namely praying or an attempt to communicate directly with God. i understand what you mean though, i think. meaning, that the only way to understand God is by becoming one so then in turn become one with Him, just like Jesus prayed to do. i guess it isn't important about what stance you have as far as reading the bible or not, just that you understand that we must be one with God. Thanks for your reply. God bless.

 

[path_of_one]

If God is within or all of existence at the same time, then why is one definition and not the definitions from all mankind important?

Or, conversely, why are any definitions important? If God is within us, then certainly definitions are unnecessary. We need only follow what we already are, and shed what we think we are but are not.

Meaning to honor God and life, then the duty is to honor knowledge in general to even come close to understanding God.

I think our duty is to love in order to honor God and life, and then we come closer to being at one with God. And then we are able to have knowledge unclouded by egoism.

Out of curiosity, if you do not find the Bible to be a worthy book of guidance, and you scorn Christianity, why post to the Christians? Why not put these questions up in B&S or Comparative if you are really interested in all definitions equally? That would be the logical place to put these sorts of posts to get a maximum response from the widest possible group, thereby aiding in your acknowledged quest to gain knowledge and understanding of all humankind's conceptualizations of God. Why limit yourself to only one perspective (Christians) by posting in this area?

 

[Bishadi]

Or, conversely, why are any definitions important? If God is within us, then certainly definitions are unnecessary. We need only follow what we already are, and shed what we think we are but are not.

So you are now back to caring only about you!

These lines you represent do nothing for a child in understanding. Rebellion comes from exactly the kind of thinking you are representing.

Think of the baby; them little eyes asking these very questions: then tell yourself I WILL NOT LIE TO THEM beautiful little minds seeking.

Now to be square up honest to yourself, then you answer is rude!

I think our duty is to love in order to honor God and life, and then we come closer to being at one with God.

With learning more than what our fathers knew and teach the children so they can know more than you.

Out of curiosity, if you do not find the Bible to be a worthy book of guidance, and you scorn Christianity, why post to the Christians?

Maybe you had a vision we would meet.

Why not put these questions up in B&S or Comparative if you are really interested in all definitions equally?

No desire either way; just a 'do' kind of person.

See questions and areas of thought people want to know; a reply is posted.

That would be the logical place to put these sorts of posts to get a maximum response from the widest possible group, thereby aiding in your acknowledged quest to gain knowledge and understanding of all humankind's conceptualizations of God. Why limit yourself to only one perspective (Christians) by posting in this area?

Then assemble the material presented, and share with everyone. I really do not look for the attrition rate but into the hearts of people; as if a question can be answered to help, then maybe more will continue the life of the truth.

Meaning; nothing is for me. If and when the proper words live and people begin to understand, then with that term Love, the progression will continue.

 

[Bishadi]

i ask because lately the book itself, though filled with amazing knowledge, has just become untrustworthy. alot of the things i have learned on this sight have alot to do with this as you may know, because the bible over the years has become corrupt or tampered with, especially the gospel and paul's letters. so i turn to the next thing available, namely praying or an attempt to communicate directly with God.

Friend you reached the first pinnacle; trust yourself. As then existence (God) can be realized as you become One with, rather than of other outside of existence.

i understand what you mean though, i think. meaning, that the only way to understand God is by becoming one so then in turn become one with Him, just like Jesus prayed to do.

You bet he did! Now this is pure Christ teachings...

i guess it isn't important about what stance you have as far as reading the bible or not, just that you understand that we must be one with God. Thanks for your reply. God bless.

I bow to your integrity.......... Peace to you and keep up the reading, maybe keep notes on the Understanding you find true and share your summary with a developing mind; a friend or even a stranger; contribute to the cause of good.

Just smile and tell anyone who asked; 'it's a light thing'........

but if you want more, open threads, ask questions; go for broke!

 

[LeoSalinas22]

hello bashadi,

Friend you reached the first pinnacle; trust yourself.

LOL! that is one thing i have to disagree with you there. i just don't trust anyone. especially myself. the flesh is not to be underestimated, if you know what i mean.

I bow to your integrity..........

please, nothing for me. i am but dust and ashes. bow only to God, my friend. but you already knew this.

Peace to you and keep up the reading, maybe keep notes on the Understanding you find true and share your summary with a developing mind;

that is what i was trying to get at earlier. the book only confirms what i had previously thought about a certain question i had in mind. don't get me wrong, though, the book has brought me to tears a few times already but only because i realize that i am not alone in thinking the way i do. but i do occasionally read, but the knowledge i seek is not in a book nor in a man nor in a "club" (religion). one way only and that is to God.

a friend or even a stranger; contribute to the cause of good.

i have talked to friends and they don't listen. it is not their time yet. strangers come to my apartment and talk to me, but eventually stop coming. but that's besides the point. we need to continue to do what is right. this i definately agree with.

but if you want more, open threads, ask questions; go for broke!

i have before, but i gave up. no one really listens around here. everyone is so opinionated. i know i am as well. but i love just reading other people's points of views. nothing more. but its nice to see people as yourself challenging this "system".

 

[path_of_one]

So you are now back to caring only about you!

OK. I think you totally miss my point. You also don't know what I care about, as you are not me, nor do you know me well. And you think I am rude. That's interesting (and I say this merely as an amused social scientist- it really is interesting).

These lines you represent do nothing for a child in understanding. Rebellion comes from exactly the kind of thinking you are representing.

This is what all people who Have The Answers want us to think. "Don't trust in what you really are. Don't trust in what you really experience. Learn what I say is so, and then you will be enlightened. It is too dangerous to embrace God within you... no, you need my help." Meanwhile, it strokes the ego of the person who Has All The Answers.

Yes, there are those who are limited in their current awakeness, in their consciousness. I would not choose the term "understanding," but rather awakening or awareness, as even little children and mentally handicapped people who our culture often considers "limited" in "understanding," can awaken and be aware. We can awaken people, and yet we do not need to lead them. God will lead those who awaken, and anyone truly awake knows the futility of rebellion against the Divine.

Think of the baby; them little eyes asking these very questions: then tell yourself I WILL NOT LIE TO THEM beautiful little minds seeking.

Babies already know... they were just there.

The trouble comes in the growing up...

As for lying: I don't lie. I say exactly what my experience has been. At the same time, I do not tell people that my way is the only way, and my experience the only valid one. I may question, probe, discuss... but at the end of the day, I know my experience and another knows theirs.

I figure you are doing the same. Except that you seem to think you've figured it all out and have an obligation to get others to agree with you, or else you see them as rude, selfish, or lost. It sounds a lot like evangelizers from any point of view, to be honest.

Now to be square up honest to yourself, then you answer is rude!

Can't respond to this sentence as I don't understand it.

With learning more than what our fathers knew and teach the children so they can know more than you.

It's not all about what you know, it's about what you do with what you know. That said, I have taught for years professionally. I'm heading back to the classroom next year and am excited. Good teaching isn't about imparting knowledge, it's about facilitating the capacity-building of individuals to learn, to critically think, to seek on their own. When my students question me, challenge the written material, fabricate their own ideas, then I know I've done a good job. When my students go farther and begin to act with compassion, when they let go of their fear of diversity, when they show tolerance and love, then I know I've done a great job.

Maybe you had a vision we would meet.

No desire either way; just a 'do' kind of person.

Just pointing out that you might get more of what you desire- cross-religious definitions and discussion- if you post in a cross-religious forum.

as if a question can be answered to help, then maybe more will continue the life of the truth.

Perhaps you are into answers, and I am into questions. I tend to think the more people question and probe, the more the "life of the truth" will be, as you put it.

Meaning; nothing is for me. If and when the proper words live and people begin to understand, then with that term Love, the progression will continue.

Admirable. May I gently suggest, that in doing such work, words are not necessary. Sometimes they get in the way. I come here for thinking, but I go out into the world for awakening. I acknowledge the chance of someone awakening due to a board, but overall the words get in the way. The categories get in the way. But sitting in silence, hugging another, a smile, a hello, a helping hand when needed... These things awaken Oneness and Love...

 

[path_of_one]

Friend you reached the first pinnacle; trust yourself. As then existence (God) can be realized as you become One with, rather than of other outside of existence.

You bet he did! Now this is pure Christ teachings...



I bow to your integrity.......... Peace to you and keep up the reading, maybe keep notes on the Understanding you find true and share your summary with a developing mind; a friend or even a stranger; contribute to the cause of good.

Just smile and tell anyone who asked; 'it's a light thing'........

but if you want more, open threads, ask questions; go for broke!

See, it has to be the words that get in the way. Because here, you say exactly what I often say and think...

I chuckle whenever this happens...

 

[Bishadi]

one way only and that is to God.

Do you recognize that God is in all things?

In Nature?

nothing more. but its nice to see people as yourself challenging this "system".

You sound a weeee bit like little old me; and it is because you do trust yourself while retaining the humility of being human.

You're a leader all by yourself and don't even know it!

As for taking on the globe; well the system is not so much the goal to challenge but that knowledge is there and all that is left to do, is reveal it!

And please allow me to build you up; it is refreshing to bump into the real ones.

 

[Bishadi]

See, it has to be the words that get in the way. Because here, you say exactly what I often say and think...

I chuckle whenever this happens...

I hear you barking P of One.... When you state your dreams and what happened then maybe we can also observe this was intended to occur!

Please doubt:

A rule that stands firm to the wise; believe nothing no matter where you read it or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense.

 

[path_of_one]

A rule that stands firm to the wise; believe nothing no matter where you read it or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense.

And dare I say, intuition. Sometimes our intuitive reaction is more reliable than our reasonable one... I suppose, a different type of reason is at work!

 

[LeoSalinas22]

hello bishadi (i spelled your name wrong previously. sorry about that)

Do you recognize that God is in all things?

well, He does fill the heavens and the earth? so yes. He is in all His creation.

In Nature?

in nature as well. but alot of people will mistake that He is nature. just like people will mistake that He is Jesus. God's Spirit is merely in His creation. i can see where people will get confused, but there is a difference. to me anyways.

As for taking on the globe; well the system is not so much the goal to challenge but that knowledge is there and all that is left to do, is reveal it!

alot of people will see you as challenging the system instead of revealing the truth. that is why i said it that way. sorry for the confusion. but i have in my former days, tried doing as you do, and people don't listen. they don't see it because it isn't there time yet. best thing to do is shephard the flock if you know what i mean. the flock itself won't understand what you are trying to say to them, but they will understand that you love them and are trying to guide them the best way that God has taught you.

And please allow me to build you up; it is refreshing to bump into the real ones.

i appreciate it. maybe one day we will praise God together in person, along with our brothers and sisters as we raise our hands towards the heavens and finally as one, cry for God and ask for His forgiveness. i have to say though, you are a smart one as far as math is concerned. you are blessed with that knowledge. i have come to learn that each person has a gift that God has bestowed on them to use to gather His flock from the four corners of the earth that He has scattered. and this gift you have is unique. God's ways never cease to amaze me. everything is precise with Him. perfect. hope to hear from you soon. God be with you.

 

[17th Angel]

well, He does fill the heavens and the earth? so yes. He is in all His creation.

So there isn't one path?

hello bishadi (i spelled your name wrong previously. sorry about that)
well, He does fill the heavens and the earth? so yes. He is in all His creation.
in nature as well. but alot of people will mistake that He is nature. just like people will mistake that He is Jesus.

Tottally different.... (in regards to the jesus quote... But yeah I believe he isn't jesus either...)

How does nature live? It grows and reproduces.... I will be in my offspring.... As the Creator is in nature, it created all... Without it there would be nothing... So I would say no, the Creator IS nature.... Without it there is nothing....

Example.... Let's think.....

"God is love" so the scripture says in John... somewhere.... It is what it wills....

 

[LeoSalinas22]

hello alex.

So there isn't one path?

no. there are many paths to Him. we have all been placed on different kinds of earth. some have been placed among thorns, some on a rocky places, and some others on good soil. many ways to get to Him. but each person is tested differently.

How does nature live?

with God's Spirit. just like we do. otherwise, we would revert to dust. His Spirit is flowing through anything that has life.

It grows and reproduces.... I will be in my offspring.... As the Creator is in nature, it created all... Without it there would be nothing... So I would say no, the Creator IS nature.... Without it there is nothing....

ok, let me ask you this then. if God is nature, then it would be ok to worship nature? do you think that would be the correct thing to do?