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Can somebody point me in the direction of finding some sort of list or reference of all the prophecies about the messiah in the old testament, which Jesus in turn then fulfilled.
I have read something along the lines of - "that on one occasion he fulfilled 20-30 prophecies in one day from the old testament" I assume this would be his death?
To help my Bible study I'd be very interested to know where to find them in detail.
Many thanks.
 
the list is endless:) how about this one for starters
This prophecy is recorded in Daniel, chapter 9, and reads as follows: "Seventy weeks [of years, or four hundred and ninety years] are decreed upon your people and upon your holy city." (Daniel 9:24, The Amplified Bible)

What was to happen during these 490 years? We read:

"From the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem until [the coming of] the anointed one, a prince, shall be seven weeks [of years], and sixty-two weeks [of years]." (Daniel 9:25, AB)

So this is a prophecy about the time of the coming of "the anointed one," the Messiah.

and the fullfillment was 29;C.E. when Jesus was babtized and he was annointed .

the year when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptizer. (Luke 3:1) At that time, Jesus was publicly identified as God’s Son and began his ministry of preaching the good news to the Jewish nation. (Matthew 3:13-17; 4:23) He became the "anointed one," or Messiah.




ndeed, many of the prophecies recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures were fulfilled during the first century, and a number of these had to do with Jesus.



In fact, all the Bible’s prophecies that were due to be fulfilled have come true. ​


Things have happened exactly in the way the Bible said they would.
This is strong evidence that the Bible is God’s Word. ​

There must have been more than human wisdom behind those prophetic utterances for them to have been so accurate.
But there are other predictions in the Bible that were not fulfilled in those times. ​

Why? Because they were due to be fulfilled in our own day, and even in our future. ​

The reliability of those ancient prophecies makes us confident that these other predictions will without fail come true ​
 
The Prophets do not exist for the purpose of making predictions but to teach us life lessons through words and word imagery that enlighten. True, there is the occasional overt prediction but that is not usually what we are looking for. I think books I've seen that claim to list the fulfilled prophecies are frustrating. They miss things that are important, and they don't explain much. They're focused on the illusion of predictions -- missing the spirit of the word 'Fulfillment', so they miss important prophecies and poorly explain others. Fulfillment does not mean there was ever a prediction. The word 'fulfillment' simply means 'to fill', and the treatment of Bible prophecies in the gospels is not a study of predictions but instead asks the question 'Does the shoe fit?' Its not always obvious, either. There is no book that will explain the prophecies to you. There are Promise books that try to list them, but they lack explanations.

In considering the meaning of the word 'Fulfillment' take a look at Matthew 2:17, where Matthew tells us that Herod's slaughter of the children in Bethlehem fulfills the prophecy of Rachel's weeping in Jeremiah. If we look up the source Jeremiah 31:15 expecting a clear prophetic prediction, we will be disappointed. In fact, first my reaction was to say "What the heck?" after I looked that one up. I cannot see any way that someone could have read this 'Prophecy' beforehand and determined "Ah. Clearly many children will be killed as a result of the messiah being born in Bethlehem." Matthew, however, says it is the fulfillment of a prophecy; so it must have made sense to him. Clearly the word 'Prophecy' means something more than just 'Prediction'. Look at how the word 'Fulfilled' is used. It is Strong's Greek lexicon number 4137.
Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Matthew 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;
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Here is an important fulfillment that is overlooked by the books: Its the baptism of Jesus. At his baptism Jesus says to John, "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness." This is the fulfillment of the 'prophecy' of Elijah and Elisha. But there is no overt prediction in the Bible that tells you the Messiah must be baptized by Elijah! Prophecy is not for the purpose of predictions.

Romans 15:4 For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that by steadfastness and by the encouragement of the scriptures we might have hope.
 
Thanks for the responses, good reading (knew I could expect something good from mee):) What about the 20-30 prophecy fulfillments Jesus achieved in one day though.
 
Scores of prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures ("Old Testament") have been fulfilled in connection with Jesus Christ.
Some of these were applied to him by divinely inspired writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures ("New Testament").

For instance, the Gospel writer Matthew pointed out the fulfillment of Scriptural prophecies in Jesus’ birth by means of a virgin, in His having a forerunner, and in His entry into Jerusalem on the colt of an ass. (Compare Matthew 1:18-23; 3:1-3; 21:1-9 with Isaiah 7:14; 40:3; Zechariah 9:9.)
Such fulfilled prophecies help to prove that the Bible is indeed God’s inspired gift.
 
Mee,
Indeed there are too many to list! I didn’t realise there was so many, Jesus is everywhere!
I have found loads in Leviticus, Psalms & Isaiah for starters.
It’s good because it has encouraged me to go and find them for myself, instead of being lazy and asking for internet sources etc (I’m not a good reader!)

Some very significant one’s-

Jesus suffering-
Psalms 22; 40; 109; 118

Jesus resurrection-
Psalms 16; 91

Jesus coming & rule-
Psalms 2; 24; 45; 72; 110; 122
 
Penguin said:
Mee,
Indeed there are too many to list! I didn’t realise there was so many, Jesus is everywhere!
I have found loads in Leviticus, Psalms & Isaiah for starters.
It’s good because it has encouraged me to go and find them for myself, instead of being lazy and asking for internet sources etc (I’m not a good reader!)

Some very significant one’s-

Jesus suffering-
Psalms 22; 40; 109; 118

Jesus resurrection-
Psalms 16; 91

Jesus coming & rule-
Psalms 2; 24; 45; 72; 110; 122
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psalm 2;12 KISS THE SON
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In Bible times, kissing was an expression of friendship and faithfulness. It was a way to welcome guests. The kings of the earth are commanded to kiss the Son—that is, welcome him as the Messianic King.


When God set his Son upon the throne, IN 1914 the rulers of the earth should have quit "muttering an empty thing." They should have acknowledged the King immediately and rendered him full obedience

In this verse of the second psalm, God is commanding the nations to kiss, or welcome, his Son as anointed King.

Those refusing to recognize the authority of God’s chosen King insult Jehovah.
They deny Jehovah God’s universal sovereignty and his authority and ability to select the King that is the best ruler for mankind.
This dramatic psalm concludes:
"Happy are all those taking refuge in him [Jehovah]." (Psalm 2:12b)
There is still time for individuals to find safety.
That is true even of individual rulers who have been going along with the plans of the nations.
They can flee to Jehovah, who provides refuge under Kingdom rule.
But they must act before the Messianic Kingdom smashes the opposing nations.DANIEL 2;44

ITS ALL HAPPENING IN THE TIME OF THE END thrilling times indeed

The nations kept "muttering" (or, "meditating on") the perpetuation of their own authority, instead of accepting Jehovah’s Anointed One. ​


These words had an application in the first century C.E., when Roman and Jewish authorities worked together to kill Jehovah’s anointed King, Jesus Christ. (Acts 4:26-28) ​

However, the major fulfillment has been since 1914, when all the nations have rejected God’s enthroned King and have tried to promote their own sovereignty.​









 
"When God set his Son upon the throne, IN 1914 the rulers of the earth should have quit "muttering an empty thing." They should have acknowledged the King immediately and rendered him full obedience"
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Sadly, I don't think this would have stopped the first world war.

"ITS ALL HAPPENING IN THE TIME OF THE END thrilling times indeed"
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I very much agree that we are in ending times, when is the "forecast" of Jesus's second coming? (that sounds tremendous doesn't it!) Is it when humans have destroyed themselves and a new beginning will need to be implemented? Will Jesus have to die again for the sins of the people that are still unborn when he comes again?
As much as I love the Bible quotes, can you answer in your own words, I'd be really interested in this. Thanks.

"The nations kept "muttering" (or, "meditating on") the perpetuation of their own authority, instead of accepting Jehovah’s Anointed One."
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Jehovah gave the authorities (all people) free will to reject the anointed one though, and they did. How, or will they be punished for this?

"However, the major fulfillment has been since 1914, when all the nations have rejected God’s enthroned King and have tried to promote their own sovereignty."
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Where in the Bible does it say about this 1914 fulfillment? If not in the Bible, who mentioned it first please? Is this date exclusive only to JW's? Again, I'd really be interested in this please.
 
No problem. I should open my eyes more and read the forum properly:)
 
So tells us more about you... You've changed and studying the bible seriously huh? Have you always been studying or something you have only just started doing? What moved you to do so? I maybe lacking some observation but you seemed to come for just the avatars lol now you come for jesus.
 
so getting back to Jesus and bible prophecies, have you read about the composite signs that Jesus told about .

not only was there a fullfillment before the destruction in 70.c.e.


but we are NOW living the signs of the times since 1914



When we compare Revelation 6:2-8 (written after the tribulation on Jerusalem in 70 C.E.)
with Matthew 24:6-8 and Luke 21:10, 11, we see that warfare, food shortages, and plague on a greater scale lay ahead.
This greater fulfillment of Jesus’ words has been occurring since World War I erupted in 1914.

yes 1914 was the start of the end and now we are well along into bible prophecy.



For decades now, Jehovah’s Witnesses have taught that the current fulfillment of the sign proves that a "great tribulation" is yet to come

The present wicked "generation" will see that tribulation. It seems that there will again be an opening phase (an attack on all false religion), just as Gallus’ attack in 66 C.E. opened the tribulation on Jerusalem.

Then, after an interval of unspecified length, the end will come—destruction on a worldwide scale, paralleling that in 70 C.E.


Jesus had far more in mind, though, than that destruction of Jerusalem. His disciples had also asked him about the sign of his presence. They did not then know it, but this referred to a time when he would be installed to reign as King in heaven. What did he foretell?


If you read Matthew chapters 24 and 25, Mark chapter 13, and Luke chapter 21, you will see unmistakable evidence that Jesus was talking about our own age.
He foretold a time of wars—not just the "wars and reports of wars" that have always marred human history but wars involving ‘nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom’—yes, great international wars.—Matthew 24:6-8.


and yes, 1914 was the nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom . it was the start of the end .


but GOODNEWS matthew 24;14 is being preached







 
Thanks Mee, I will read the other thread on 1914 that was started, so that takes care of that.
Can you answer my other question though on the second coming. I'd be really interested to hear. Thanks.
 
Alex P said:
So tells us more about you... You've changed and studying the bible seriously huh? Have you always been studying or something you have only just started doing? What moved you to do so? I maybe lacking some observation but you seemed to come for just the avatars lol now you come for jesus.
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Thanks for the interest, how long you got!:) I'd like to keep the thread on topic if possible. By all means PM me if you want.
I will say though, Jesus has always been with me, and as with most people, I felt, but didn't accept!
 
penguin, i too am interested on how you came to realize your path. even if it isn't on topic, who cares!? i don't think anyone will mind, my friend. but i'll send you a pm anyways just in case. also keep in mind that others are reading and may learn from your experiences. know what i mean? don't be shy, bro.
 
This is not in the OT, but Caiaphas declared Jesus to be the Messiah and to have fulfilled all the prophesies without even realizing it.
 
Penguin said:
Thanks Mee, I will read the other thread on 1914 that was started, so that takes care of that.
Can you answer my other question though on the second coming. I'd be really interested to hear. Thanks.
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one thing is for sure ,that Christ’s presence would be invisible. Jesus will never come to the earth in the flesh .

PRESENCE​
The Greek word from which "presence" is translated is pa·rou·si´a, formed from pa·ra´ (alongside) and ou·si´a (being; derived from ei·mi´, meaning "be"). Hence, pa·rou·si´a means, literally, "being alongside," that is, a "presence." It is used 24 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures, frequently with regard to the presence of Christ in connection with his Messianic Kingdom.—Mt 24:3;​

 
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