Seperate from Gods love...

Eclectic Mystic said:
(link): http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/seperate-from-gods-love-9343.html
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Quahom1 said:
...to be more like God?
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Divinization/theosis

Quahom1 said:
Give a man a fish...

...teach him to fish, then DUCK!
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Hehehe! :D
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For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers
nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
ROMANS 8;38-39



yes ,Paul was a slave of Jesus christ and he was called to be an apostle and
separated to God’s good news
 
I'm me, not god. So I will differ in traits to god.. How about you just read my post and take it as it is? :) I am asking how the hell that gets me a relationship acting like another? This doesn't change the fact he to me seems to have a lack of presence, and that just trying to copy cat god isn't good enough for a foundation for me to base a relationship on, anyway not going to add any more to the first reply... So take it for what it is or isn't. :)
 
Alex P said:
I'm me, not god. So I will differ in traits to god.. :)
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yes that can be quite true ,

Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, that I may make a reply to him that is taunting me." (Prov. 27:11)

it is good to be wise and then Jehovah can make a reply to satan .


satan is rubbing his hands when people do not live in a wise way .
but when a person lives according to Jehovahs ways, doing things Jehovahs way, Jehovah will reply to that taunting one (satan).


One who remains faithful brings honor to God and gets his favor.
One who draws back in fear brings great reproach upon Jehovah.
The Scriptures say ,

"‘My righteous one will live by reason of faith,’ and, ‘if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.’ Now we are not the sort that shrink back to destruction, but the sort that have faith to the preserving alive of the soul."—Heb. 10:38, 39; Luke 9:62.


do not let satan taunt Jehovah ,make Jehovahs heart rejoice.
 
Alex P said:
I'm me, not god. So I will differ in traits to god.. How about you just read my post and take it as it is? :) I am asking how the hell that gets me a relationship acting like another? This doesn't change the fact he to me seems to have a lack of presence, and that just trying to copy cat god isn't good enough for a foundation for me to base a relationship on, anyway not going to add any more to the first reply... So take it for what it is or isn't. :)
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Hi, Alex. Are you the same person you were just five years ago? How about ten years ago? How about twenty years ago? Do you act the same way today as the person you were twenty years ago? If you act the same way today as the person you were twenty years ago, does that make you a copycat? What kind of person do you want to be five years from now? Ten years from now? Twenty years from now? Will the following guidelines for transformation help you to become the person you would like to be? (I see a pretty strong parallel to Buddhist thought here)
1 Peter 1:3-9
3 For His divine power has given us everything required for life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and goodness. 4 By these He has given us very great and precious promises, so that through them you may share in the divine nature, escaping the corruption that is in the world because of evil desires. 5 For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with goodness, goodness with knowledge, 6 knowledge with self-control, self-control with endurance, endurance with godliness, 7 godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they will keep you from being useless or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 The person who lacks these things is blind and shortsighted, and has forgotten the cleansing from his past sins.​
 
Alex P said:
I'm me, not god. So I will differ in traits to god.. How about you just read my post and take it as it is? :) I am asking how the hell that gets me a relationship acting like another? This doesn't change the fact he to me seems to have a lack of presence, and that just trying to copy cat god isn't good enough for a foundation for me to base a relationship on, anyway not going to add any more to the first reply... So take it for what it is or isn't. :)
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Of course you have different traits than God. We all fail. On the other hand, I think seattle is on the right track. You are looking at yourself in the present moment, which is what I suggested you do. "Just as I am", the song goes. You come as you are, but as you look into the face of God, something will happen. Change is dynamic. Relationships are dynamic, not static. (I know marriage is) But the attributes of God do not change, especially the Love of God (literally thank God for that!). So what needs changing? Ourselves. We are going to change in some form or fashion with or without God's influence. But we will either move toward the Divine Ideal, or away from it.

It isn't about just being a copycat. The I Peter passage is basically that old adage: "Sow an act and you reap a habit. Sow a habit and you reap a character. Sow a character and you reap a destiny." Yeah, it will seem weird to do something different. We feel out of place, sorta hypocritical, because it doesn't seem like us. Conforming to His image means becoming the best Me that I can be. Becoming the best Alex P that you can be. Being what God intended me to be. We are sacrificing ourselves in order to get back the Ideal.

If you don't see a need to change, then don't. But I say to you that the sacrifice is worth it.

"Draw near to God and He will draw near to you."

Come to God just as you are, let Him speak in your conscience, He will tell you what you need for your life, and as you listen, then you will know His Presence. He has a pretty big lap.
 
Dondi said:
Of course you have different traits than God. We all fail. On the other hand, I think seattle is on the right track. You are looking at yourself in the present moment, which is what I suggested you do. "Just as I am", the song goes. You come as you are, but as you look into the face of God, something will happen. Change is dynamic. Relationships are dynamic. But the attributes of God do not change, especially the Love of God (Literally thank God for that!). So what needs changing? Ourselves. We are going to change in some form or fashion with or without God's influence. But we will either move toward the Divine Ideal, or away from it.

It isn't about just being a copycat. The I Peter passage is basically that old adage: "Sow an act and you reap a habit. Sow a habit and you reap a character. Sow a character and you reap a destiny." Yeah, it will seem weird to do something different. We feel out of place, sorta hypocritical, because it doesn't seem like us. Conforming to His image means becoming the best Me that I can be. Becoming the best Alex P that you can be. Being what God intended me to be. We are sacrificing ourselves in order to get back the Ideal.

If you don't see a need to change, then don't. But I say to you that the sacrifice is worth it.

"Draw near to God and He will draw near to you."

Come to God just as you are, let Him speak in your conscience, He will tell you what you need for your life, and as you listen, then you will know His Presence. He has a pretty big lap.
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Yet another good post Dondi thanks for your input so far on the thread. Yeah I have pondered many a time on the draw near to god verse...
 
Alex, although I'm adding another answer to the original post, everyone's comments are wonderful advice, which I'm merely rehashing in another way. You posited:
Alex said:
Romans:8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord....Matthew:22:37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.....John:15:12 This is my commandment, that YOU love one another just as I have loved YOU.....

... But, I personally cannot love that which I have no concept of, I mean, where is god? How can I love that which isn't present?

....1 Peter:4:8 Above all things, have intense love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.
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Talking to the Romans, Paul is arguing that the love that was for Israel in abstract is also for individuals of all nations who believe upon God. You asked how such abstract love applies to us, since you cannot love that which you have no concept of. First, the love of God is illustrated by a marriage of Israel to God. That love endures forever, because he loves Israel from the end to the beginning. In addition to that, Paul is saying, we have Jesus.

So God's love which we Gentiles once only knew in abstract, is in Christ Jesus, and he cares for us person to person. Jesus, having been perfected after his ascension, loves us as parent, friend, lover, and in all perfection. He has become able to love everyone with such great abandon. 'Christ Jesus' means Jesus has become the representative of all of scripture and prophecy -- full of life and of love. John talks about this a lot, using a slightly different term than 'Christ Jesus'. He expresses Christ as 'Son of God'. He is amazed and obsessed about how the unseen has been made experiential by means of a son. Also, in Paul's writings Jesus is only the first 'son' among many that will become 'sons' (no sexual distinction implied), which is the eventual finality of God being all and in all.

1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life -- the life was made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was made manifest to us -- that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you may have fellowship with us; and our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. And we are writing this that our joy may be complete.
 
Alex P said:
I am asking how the hell that gets me a relationship acting like another?
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How is it that you'd be acting like another? Couldn't one just as easily say that you're becoming more yourself?
 
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