seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
I agree. The 'mind blowing' transformation is yet another part that some get confused by and call madness.
Mad, bad,or the Son of God
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Dream
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Now look what happened to those poor folks who were ready to make Jesus king: He blew them off with his thick language. He told the meanings of parables to his disciples later but left the others out. Had the blind men done anything wrong? No, but blindness was for the glory of God according to Jesus (John 9:3). These men were given parables they simply could not grasp, and the point made was that they simply did not have eyes. Contemplating the parable of Jesus' flesh drove them away, because they assumed they already understood. Its another condemnation of religious arrogance.
Do believe "madness" occurs to the degree a mind hangs on tenaciously to its typical moorings.
earl
Oh, you mean "dying" unto Christ...
That would be it Q and, while I can't say I've yet "died to Christ," I've had an inkling that for some folk (me included) it can in the early throes of that feel like a literal death and that is what the mind can rebel against. earl
earlDid you think I wanted to give up me for some concept of God? Until I took a chance...that I'll never take back.That would be it Q and, while I can't say I've yet "died to Christ," I've had an inkling that for some folk (me included) it can in the early throes of that feel like a literal death and that is what the mind can rebel against.
heh, the post is 777, imagine that... lol
seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
I suspect that might be a good way to put it. Transformation can be quite disorientating. (Observe kids going through puberty for one example.)Do believe "madness" occurs to the degree a mind hangs on tenaciously to its typical moorings.
I think the madness is the refusal to accept the possibility that there is a God and he came here and he died and he rose and he will come again.I suspect that might be a good way to put it. Transformation can be quite disorientating. (Observe kids going through puberty for one example.)
What, I listen to the scientists and they don't listen to me?
fine. no lo contendre.
btw this IS the christianity thread. nuff said.
seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
I'm sure that is also a possibility. There have to be innumerable possible ways a person could be tempted into madness.
For me being acted upon by the Christ seems disorienting not because it asks of me to assent to any particular beliefs, but because it seems to tear me loose from any conceptual framework. I now see the notion of faith not in the typical sense of beliefs in any particular dogma but willingness to be acted upon. And that deepest form of faith seems the most difficult. earl
earlConsidering this is the Christian forum, your "possibility" is the "probability" and you are stepping out of bounds...here.
As such I either close the thread or move it.
And then earl comes along...For me being acted upon by the Christ seems disorienting not because it asks of me to assent to any particular beliefs, but because it seems to tear me loose from any conceptual framework. I now see the notion of faith not in the typical sense of beliefs in any particular dogma but willingness to be acted upon. And that deepest form of faith seems the most difficult.
seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
I'm sorry, Q, I should have been more clear. By "possibility" I meant that denial of God is not the only way to madness. There are also other ways to madness that people can get caught up in.
James 2:19
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
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Tao_Equus
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You are indeed invited to go to any other part of this forum that you would feel more comfortable in. On the other hand, I am obliged to insure Christian thought here on "this" forum is kept sacrosanct.
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Joshua
Thank you for your clarification. I wasn't certain where you were leading to. Now I understand.
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cyberpi
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There is nothing Christ like in this moderator's behavior here. Nothing what so ever. Anyone agree or disagree?
Cyberpi, I'm a moderator. Christianity has nothing to do with it...the COC on the other hand, does.
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Dream
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It is occasionally difficult to know where to draw the line but the mods have to do it occasionally in order to keep the forum busy and the advertising bright. I don't object. I didn't really understand the comment about being tempted into madness at first, either.
Are you talking about being humble, Earl? In fact, I see that as the faith being discussed in Hebrews 3:17, where faith has a lot to do with attitude. Ex-post-Egypt Israel (despite all that had been done for them) decided they had been brought into the wilderness to be killed and complained all the time. There was no doubt in their minds that miracles were happening, but their attitudes still stank. Excepting for Caleb, Joshua, and Moses the men never entered the promised land. Hebrews refers to that specific generation as unbelieving. Its the same for us when something bad happens in our lives and we have to decide to remember the good things that have been done for us, and that takes humility.Earl said:
Actually I meant it in the sense that one must open up one's mind-heart to the changes that Jesus Christ might bring about in one. It is relatively easy to recite a set of beliefs but far more difficult to open one's being. But, yes, humility should indeed remind me that not only do I not bring such changes about, but I also cannot anticipate them nor be entirely certain what they ultimately mean. Earl
But, yes, humility should indeed remind me that not only do I not bring such changes about, but I also cannot anticipate them nor be entirely certain what they ultimately mean. Earl