What would it take?

To believe in anything like the "God" described by the Abrahamic religions, I would need to be living in an entirely different universe.
 
bob x said:
To believe in anything like the "God" described by the Abrahamic religions, I would need to be living in an entirely different universe.
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No need to move. God has overcome. God's chased Abe back to India but only Jesus and John seem to have known the jig was up with the children of Abraham. Christianity does not rest on the righteousness of Abraham but on the spiritual truth of Jesus.

"Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentence, and do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father. For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones."
-Lk 3:7,8

"I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father." They answered and said to Him, 'Abraham is our father.' Jesus said to them, 'If you were the Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this."
-Jn 8:36,40
 
Alex P said:
I know there are many out there already that do have faith in a god, but those that do not, I was thinking of them... And the classic question of what would it take for you to believe?
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nothing

it took nothing for me to belive in a god, no proof, no evidence, no selfevident truth
i belived, as i was raised to belive, and was relatively good at it too
my mother is a fervent catholic and a scientist, and all my life i was told science and religion are not in anny way in conflict
so there was no way annyone could prove to me that god does not exist by saying things like evolution or big bang

it also took no proof for me to stop beliveing
it took a lot of questioning of faith and introspection, alot of changing definitions and retreating into less and less defined belifes, but by the time i was 12 i no longer belived in the existance of a creator god, apsolute being, devine "something", or god of anny kind
simple as that

no proof is necesarry
i can practically remember the moments in wich i realised god is not, it almoust felt like an religious experience, you could say
it is realy an inevitable process, once started
it starts with thinking about it
anithing can cause it to start, a conversation owerheard, a personal trauma, a couple of dogs fighting, an orgasm, some words in a book
once you start questioning things seriously it is olnly a metter of time before you realise what you belive in is relative and does not reflect reality or your experience of it
that precise moment of realisation is almoust sublime

and thats it, no further proof is needed
 
No. It's hardly believed all that you said to be really correct even for yourself either. If "no further proof was needed" there wouldn't be crimes so widespread in this world. God of this civilization isn't Abraham's, isn't Buddha's, isn't Jesus's but GOD today is Money! It's perfectly clear.
 
i dont understand your post
are you saying if there was enough proof that a god does or does not exist there would be less crime or that money causes crime?

anyway money is a valued commodity, the value of vich is agreed to be equivalent to any and all other material values of goods and services
it is a problematic thing, but it concerns goods not gods, unless sacrifices and donations are made
i mean i see what you are getting at here but its not that simple
 
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