Jesus was sent by God .

[mee]

There are over dozens of verses that point out Jesus as God, God made flesh, dual nature...just so many you couldn't keep up with them.

i would like to see them i keep seeing the ones that say Jesus is GODS SON.

Does the Bible agree with those who teach that the Father and the Son are not separate and distinct individuals? ​

Matt. 26:39, RS: "Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’" ​

(If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.) ​

John 8:17, 18, RS: "[Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees:] In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me." ​

(So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father.)​

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Not only is Jesus referred to as God, but warns of cults that deny the divinity of Jesus Christ.

Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard!

 

[Quahom1]

i would like to see them i keep seeing the ones that say Jesus is GODS SON.

Does the Bible agree with those who teach that the Father and the Son are not separate and distinct individuals? ​

Matt. 26:39, RS: "Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’" ​

(If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.) ​

John 8:17, 18, RS: "[Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees:] In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me." ​

(So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father.)​

Hmmm, did he?

 

[mee]

Not only is Jesus referred to as God, but warns of cults that deny the divinity of Jesus Christ.

Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard!

yes that certainly did happen ,the bible and Jesus words always come true. the truth sure has been distorted in more ways than one .

and many have been misled by it .

but no worries the truth is out there

Not only that, but the Devil has so thoroughly misled mankind that false religions abound.

These have succeeded in removing the name Jehovah from many translations of the Bible itself!

and even got people to take on board that God is three in one.


yes men among themselves have brought in alsorts of things.


but as you mentioned it was all foretold .

 

[BlaznFattyz]

and even got people to take on board that God is three in one.

Which is a good thing since the true nature of the living God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

[mee]

Which is a good thing since the true nature of the living God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

havent seen that one in the bible i notice you dont use the bible to much.

 

[Quahom1]

havent seen that one in the bible i notice you dont use the bible to much.

You mean Blaze doesn't quote the bible too much...if not, yours is an erroneous presupposition...

As far as "seeing" in the bible, well we both know that the bible is subject to interpretation, despite being warned about that very thing.

 

[mee]

As far as "seeing" in the bible, well we both know that the bible is subject to interpretation,

very true indeed , and all interpretations cannot be right . specially when the interpretations are completley opposite to each other.
one is right and one is wrong . so its always best to quote the bible to see what the bible REALLY teachesafter all the bible is the arthority for christians .

Before coming to earth Jesus was called the Word of God.

This title shows that he served in heaven as the one who spoke for God.

He is also called God’s "Firstborn," as well as his "only-begotten" Son. (John 1:14; 3:16; Hebrews 1:6)

This means that he was created before all the other spirit sons of God, and that he is the only one who was directly created by God.

The Bible explains that this "firstborn" Son shared with Jehovah in creating all other things. (Colossians 1:15, 16)

Thus when God said, "Let us make man in our image," he was talking to this Son.


Yes, the very one who later came to earth and was born from a woman had shared in the creation of all things! He had already lived in heaven with his Father for an unknown number of years!—Genesis 1:26; Proverbs 8:22, 30; John 1:3.


For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. JOHN 3;16-17

He who did not even spare his own Son but delivered him up for us all, why will he not also with him kindly give us all other things? ROMANS 8;32

the bible clears things up for us

 

[Quahom1]

very true indeed , and all interpretations cannot be right . specially when the interpretations are completley opposite to each other.
one is right and one is wrong . so its always best to quote the bible to see what the bible REALLY teachesafter all the bible is the arthority for christians .

Before coming to earth Jesus was called the Word of God.

This title shows that he served in heaven as the one who spoke for God.

He is also called God’s "Firstborn," as well as his "only-begotten" Son. (John 1:14; 3:16; Hebrews 1:6)

This means that he was created before all the other spirit sons of God, and that he is the only one who was directly created by God.

The Bible explains that this "firstborn" Son shared with Jehovah in creating all other things. (Colossians 1:15, 16)

Thus when God said, "Let us make man in our image," he was talking to this Son.


Yes, the very one who later came to earth and was born from a woman had shared in the creation of all things! He had already lived in heaven with his Father for an unknown number of years!—Genesis 1:26; Proverbs 8:22, 30; John 1:3.


For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. JOHN 3;16-17

He who did not even spare his own Son but delivered him up for us all, why will he not also with him kindly give us all other things? ROMANS 8;32

the bible clears things up for us

No, I'm afraid that is not correct. But then, the devil already knows that about us and is laughing his ass off.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

He is also called God’s "Firstborn," as well as his "only-begotten" Son. (John 1:14; 3:16; Hebrews 1:6)

This means that he was created before all the other spirit sons of God, and that he is the only one who was directly created by God.

The Bible explains that this "firstborn" Son shared with Jehovah in creating all other things. (Colossians 1:15, 16)

Thus says YHWH, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, 'I, YHWH, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone.

In light of scritpure, it is not possible for "Jehova" to stretch out the heavens by Himself, all alone, when you are saying that Jesus "the first created thing" shared in creation with the Father. They can't both be true.

The truth is that YHWH is the name of the Father and the Son; therefore, Jesus can be the creator of all things and YHWH can do it by himself since they are one God. God the Father can be the redeemer in Heaven as his will is carried out on earth by Jesus who redeemed us by his work on the cross, both are the Redeemer.

 

[Quahom1]

Thus says YHWH, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, 'I, YHWH, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone.

In light of scritpure, it is not possible for "Jehova" to stretch out the heavens by Himself, all alone, when you are saying that Jesus "the first created thing" shared in creation with the Father. They can't both be true.

The truth is that YHWH is the name of the Father and the Son; therefore, Jesus can be the creator of all things and YHWH can do it by himself since they are one God. God the Father can be the redeemer in Heaven as his will is carried out on earth by Jesus who redeemed us by his work on the cross, both are the Redeemer.

Blaze, you know what happens when "light" is focussed on a "mirror"...it goes everywhere but to its intended target. Likewise with those who think they are safe behind the "silver/gold" of their beliefs...they can't see the light, because the silver and gold is in their way...

Some just have to wait until the heat, begins to melt the "shield" before they can see.

I suggest, using a magnifying lens...

 

[mee]

JESUS "THE" SON OF GOD​

Does God have a Son? The Book, the oldest history book on earth, the truthful Word of God, the Holy Bible, says Yes! ​

In its authentic record, named witnesses identify this preeminent Son as Jesus Christ. ​

Solomon wrote down Jesus’ prehuman autobiography as a spirit son. (Prov. 8:22-31) ​

Isaiah prophesied God would use a virgin to produce him as a human son. (Isa. 7:14) ​

Gabriel told Mary to call his name Jesus. (Luke 1:26-33) ​

Simeon and Anna glorified God on account of this miraculous birth. (Luke 2:25-38) ​

Thirty years later John the Baptist actually heard God acknowledge Jesus as his Son. ​

(Matt. 3:17; John 1:29-34) ​

James and Peter testified that with a third companion they heard God repeat, "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved; listen to him." (Matt. 17:5) ​

Caiaphas pronounced Jesus guilty because he admitted on oath that he is the Son of God. (Mark 14:61-64) ​

Jesus’ bosom friend John wrote a whole book to prove that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, ​

and John was a witness of these things. (John 20:31) ​

In symbolic drama Abraham showed how God would let his Son die. (Gal. 3:16) ​

Jesus’ mother and two other women named Mary saw him die as the innocent Lamb of God. (John 19:25) ​

Paul wrote that he knew of five hundred witnesses of Jesus’ resurrection. (1 Cor. 15:6) ​

Stephen in vision caught sight of God’s glory and of the resurrected Jesus at God’s right hand (Acts 7:55), ​

where David said he would wait until God’s time to send him forth as a King ruling in the midst of his enemies. (Ps. 110:1, 2) ​

All of this was written down by ancient historians of truthful events. ​

Five hundred years afterward, if certain writers denied that Jesus is the Son of God, should we set aside the overwhelming testimony of credible witnesses whose names are given by named writers of the Holy Bible? ​

Never! ​

Why, that Jesus is the Son of God was admitted by the Roman soldiers who impaled him and by the demons themselves! And these were his enemies!​

 

[17th Angel]

Not only is Jesus referred to as God, but warns of cults that deny the divinity of Jesus Christ.

Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard!

Oh and let me guess the JW's a these wolves you speak of? What if you're the wolves? What if he's the wolf or that group over there are the wolves or those over there? What if I am the wolf? I have seen this scripture used many a time, in many a christian argument agaisn't many a christian denomination.. A very popular one for some people to say I am right and god says you are wrong... In my opinion of course... And only when the trumpets bellow shall we all find out huh?

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Oh and let me guess...

Bad guess. The part of scripture that I hoped would stand out, because it had to do with the topic at hand was "Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood." Here scripture is calling Jesus God. God the Father sent us a saviour to redeem us through the work on the cross.

 

[mee]

I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard!

A SHEEP among wolves has little power of its own to protect itself against being devoured.

A sheep, therefore, must rely upon its shepherd to protect it against wolves.
It wants to serve the good purposes of its shepherd and not be devoured by ravenous wolves. So it obeys its shepherd’s voice.


Jesus Christ likened his true followers to sheep and himself to a shepherd that protects them against voracious wolves.

Jesus was sending them forth to preach good news, which should have been grabbed at by people that had became disgusted with human governments

And yet sending them out to preach such a pleasant message would be putting them seemingly at the cruel mercy of wolves. Who, then, were the wolves?

A wolf or wolfish person is an enemy not only of the sheep but also of their Right Shepherd.

The wolf does not gather the sheep with the shepherd but scatters them; he is not for the Right Shepherd Jesus but against him. (Luke 11:23)

Jesus was then sending forth the Kingdom preachers among the Jewish people exclusively,

these wolves were to be found among the Jews who claimed to be God’s people, the most religious people then on earth.

They were religious wolves, who preyed upon the "lost sheep of the house of Israel."—Matt. 10:6.

Today Jesus’ words, "Look! I am sending you forth as sheep amidst wolves," take in also all the earth outside of the land of Israel.

Since A.D. 1914, when World War I broke out, Jesus’ command to his sheeplike followers applies:

"This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for the purpose of a witness to all the nations, and then the accomplished end will come." (Matt. 24:14, )


The kingdom of God, the kingdom of the heavens, has drawn near more fully now than when Jesus sent out the twelve apostles to preach, for in 1914 Jehovah God took to himself his great power and seated his Son Jesus Christ upon the throne to rule as king in the midst of his enemies and thus the kingdom of God came into power in the heavens


. On earth war raged among the nations over the issue of world domination and in the invisible heavens also war raged but the newborn kingdom triumphed and Satan the Devil and his demons were hurled down to the earth,

to await the full end of their world at the battle of Armageddon.

Particularly after the close of World War I in 1918 it became the due time for this good news of the newborn kingdom to be preached wherever the earth is inhabited.

It became necessary for Jesus Christ, now enthroned in power, to act upon his very own prophecy and send out preachers of this good news of the Kingdom.

Once again he has to send out his faithful followers as sheep amidst wolves.

The worst wolves and the most wolves have proved to be in the religious land of Christendom.

It has proved to be a den of wolves to the sheeplike preachers of God’s kingdom.

Ask the only ones that are preaching this good news of the newborn kingdom, Jehovah’s witnesses.

They know. You, too, know about their experiences with the wolves.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

God is the shepherd, Jesus is the shepherd. Both are YHWH.

 

[mee]

God is the shepherd, Jesus is the shepherd. Both are YHWH.

Yes, JEHOVAH is the great shepherd



Jehovah has appointed a fine shepherd to give close supervision for mankind’s protection and guidance.(JESUS)

Jesus himself said: "I am the fine shepherd; the fine shepherd surrenders his soul in behalf of the sheep. I am the fine shepherd, and I know my sheep and my sheep know me." (John 10:11, 14)


With such care from on high mankind is, indeed, favored.

Just imagine! It is possible to know Jehovah God and his Son Christ Jesus and to be known by them..


This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God,
AND of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. john 17;3




Few animals are as helpless as domestic sheep. The shepherd of Bible times had to be courageous to protect his sheep from wolves, bears, and lions.
(1 Samuel 17:34-36; John 10:10-13)

Serving at the right hand of his Father in heaven, "the fine shepherd," Jesus Christ, also gives compassionate attention to the sheep. ​

He surrendered his life to benefit first the "little flock" of anointed ones and then, today, the great crowd of his "other sheep." (Luke 12:32; John 10:14, 16) ​

The Great Shepherd, Jehovah God, addresses all these sheep, saying: "Here I am, I myself, and I shall certainly judge . . . between a sheep and a sheep. ​

And I will raise up over them one shepherd, and he must feed them, even my servant David. He himself will feed them, and he himself will become their shepherd. And I myself, Jehovah, will become their God, and my servant David a chieftain in the midst of them. I myself, Jehovah, have spoken.Ezekiel 34:20-24. ​

The designation "my servant David" points prophetically to Christ Jesus, the "seed" who inherits David’s throne. (Psalm 89:35, 36) ​

yes, Jesus is Jehovah’s associate Shepherd and King, Christ Jesus, the Son of David, This "one shepherd" is raised up also to feed the sheep. What a glorious fulfillment of this prophecy we see today! ​

While politicians talk of uniting mankind through a new world order, the one Shepherd is actually uniting the sheep of all nations through a multilanguage witnessing campaign such as only God’s organization on earth could ever begin to undertake. ​

and they certainly listen to Jesus voice . and Jesus was sent to earth by God
JOHN 3;16-17​

 

[Quahom1]

Yes, JEHOVAH is the great shepherd



Jehovah has appointed a fine shepherd to give close supervision for mankind’s protection and guidance.(JESUS)

Jesus himself said: "I am the fine shepherd; the fine shepherd surrenders his soul in behalf of the sheep. I am the fine shepherd, and I know my sheep and my sheep know me." (John 10:11, 14)


With such care from on high mankind is, indeed, favored.

Just imagine! It is possible to know Jehovah God and his Son Christ Jesus and to be known by them..


This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God,
AND of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. john 17;3




Few animals are as helpless as domestic sheep. The shepherd of Bible times had to be courageous to protect his sheep from wolves, bears, and lions.
(1 Samuel 17:34-36; John 10:10-13)

Serving at the right hand of his Father in heaven, "the fine shepherd," Jesus Christ, also gives compassionate attention to the sheep. ​

He surrendered his life to benefit first the "little flock" of anointed ones and then, today, the great crowd of his "other sheep." (Luke 12:32; John 10:14, 16) ​

The Great Shepherd, Jehovah God, addresses all these sheep, saying: "Here I am, I myself, and I shall certainly judge . . . between a sheep and a sheep. ​

And I will raise up over them one shepherd, and he must feed them, even my servant David. He himself will feed them, and he himself will become their shepherd. And I myself, Jehovah, will become their God, and my servant David a chieftain in the midst of them. I myself, Jehovah, have spoken.Ezekiel 34:20-24. ​

The designation "my servant David" points prophetically to Christ Jesus, the "seed" who inherits David’s throne. (Psalm 89:35, 36) ​

yes, Jesus is Jehovah’s associate Shepherd and King, Christ Jesus, the Son of David, This "one shepherd" is raised up also to feed the sheep. What a glorious fulfillment of this prophecy we see today! ​

While politicians talk of uniting mankind through a new world order, the one Shepherd is actually uniting the sheep of all nations through a multilanguage witnessing campaign such as only God’s organization on earth could ever begin to undertake. ​

and they certainly listen to Jesus voice . and Jesus was sent to earth by God
JOHN 3;16-17​

Jehovah, as the "father" was never a shepard. Jehovah, as the "father" can't look upon the sins of a man (can't be in the same presense as a sinful man). That is OT and specific. That leaves ONE shepard. Jesus is that Shepard. That too is in the Bible. Jehovah as the Son, can and does look upon man, and Jehovah as father, can look through the Son and see man. Only then, does he see man as pure and clean.

Remember when Satan went before the throne, and said that Job could be broken? The Son answered him, not the father. And shortly after, when Jesus walked the earth? Satan didn't go back to heaven (he couldn't), instead he approached Jesus on earth (in his dual nature state, and quite weakened from his fasting for forty days).

The Father, can not look upon evil. But the Son can...

 

[mee]

Jehovah, as the "father" was never a shepard. quote]




Jehovah bears many titles in the Scriptures, but the designation "Shepherd" is among the most tender. (Psalm 80:1)


Jehovah is my Shepherd"—is that not a fitting description of our heavenly Father?

As we examine Psalm 23, we will see how God cares for us with the strength and tenderness of a shepherd.


In verse 1, David expresses his confidence that God will make all necessary provisions for His sheep so that they will "lack nothing."

In the verses that follow, David cites three reasons for this confidence:

Jehovah leads, protects, and feeds His sheep



How very true it is that mankind truly lacks nothing when the First Person of the universe cares for him.

And, to ensure that mankind is properly cared for, Jehovah has appointed a fine shepherd to give close supervision for mankind’s protection and guidance.

and yes , Jehovah has provided JESUS


Jesus himself said: "I am the fine shepherd; the fine shepherd surrenders his soul in behalf of the sheep. I am the fine shepherd, and I know my sheep and my sheep know me." (John 10:11, 14)

 

[mee]

The Father, can not look upon evil. But the Son can...

Genesis 6:5, 11 and 12, reports:

"Consequently Jehovah saw that the badness of man was abundant in the earth and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time.

And the earth came to be ruined in the sight of the true God and the earth became filled with violence.

So God saw the earth and, look! it was ruined, because all flesh had ruined its way on the earth."

It is comforting to note that the Almighty God Jehovah did not let all this badness go unnoticed but stepped in to take action and rid the earth of such evildoing


the pattern of action God has followed in his past dealings with evildoers, offers some guide to us on how he will deal with evildoers in our day .


Consider, for example, the conditions that developed in the days of Noah.

Angel sons of God forsook their proper places in heaven, materialized as men and mated with the beautiful daughters of men to produce a hybrid race of giants or bullies.


An era of violence and immorality resulted.

The sacred Record tells that "Jehovah saw that the badness of man was abundant in the earth and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time."

And what was God’s determination?
"I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the surface of the ground."
Gen. 6:1-7; 2 Pet. 2:5.


make no mistake about it , the AlmightyJehovah sees what goes on in this world and he is going to do something about it , and he has it all in hand