The End of Abraham

i'll tell ya'll what's "smurfy". all those friggin' male smurfs and one female smurf, with blonde hair and white summer dress with high heels. what strange customs these creaturs have!!
 
What are you doing? Every man has its right to say his own opinion on every question he wants to. Where is so lauded democracy? Does it work here?

I remember taugh political regimes have always been beginning since "get out to your own place" way. Remember communists and especially Nazi. And let me ask - isn't get out 'where it's more likely to reach a more sympathetic readership' alike what Nazi were saying to the Jews. It's unfaithful to decide whether readers like sonoman's posts or not.

Is Sonoman hypnotizing you?! Your will is safe, and you and the respective readers can decide what to believe in. Sonoman's not gentle enough? So what, gentlemen? Why should he or anyone who has his own different viewpoints stay silent? It's just unfaithful.

Sorry, if I say so straight way - my language skills aren't perfect yet, - but the common thought I find to be clear. It would be democratically and correct to leave Sonoman alone. He's got right to say what he wants. A real Christian who knows he's on true way will never change his mind because of a poster. And who finds those opinions of his logical and correct... is he guilty?
 
juantoo3 said:
If an Eskimo can share his wife with a visitor, who am I to judge?
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REALLY? they do that? strange, indeed. good to know. so the smurfs are eskimos? how do you know this? just kidding. thanks for the info.
 
LeoSalinas22, you find Eskimos strange? I saw and heard of things very much more grotesque! Look around and you'll see world of people who must just die for a great price of money, and who could sell their own bodies if they're proposed any 'decent' sum. To be frank, eskimos do not do something strange.

About Russia it is said a lot of 'strange' stuff. Bears go up and down the streets in Moscow, Siberia is full of dinosauri, I've even heard Russians have a very short but visible tails under their underwear!!! So what?
 
Dharmaatmaa said:
What are you doing? Every man has its right to say his own opinion on every question he wants to. Where is so lauded democracy? Does it work here?

I remember taugh political regimes have always been beginning since "get out to your own place" way. Remember communists and especially Nazi. And let me ask - isn't get out 'where it's more likely to reach a more sympathetic readership' alike what Nazi were saying to the Jews. It's unfaithful to decide whether readers like sonoman's posts or not.

Is Sonoman hypnotizing you?! Your will is safe, and you and the respective readers can decide what to believe in. Sonoman's not gentle enough? So what, gentlemen? Why should he or anyone who has his own different viewpoints stay silent? It's just unfaithful.

Sorry, if I say so straight way - my language skills aren't perfect yet, - but the common thought I find to be clear. It would be democratically and correct to leave Sonoman alone. He's got right to say what he wants. A real Christian who knows he's on true way will never change his mind because of a poster. And who finds those opinions of his logical and correct... is he guilty?
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Your language is fine and I find myself in agreement. Sonoman's work here has tied to it credible reference material --- and his standpoint is presented in a very scientific manner. I do not find his writings soap boxy or overly oppressive to my conscious. He presents views that he feels convictions in regards to and opens people up to debate or good, old fashioned discussion. I do believe that is what defines a forum.

Not to raise any hackles; but a simple observation from one who enjoys the pursuit of knowledge.
 
I am announcing I've resurrected once again here at Easter to bring you the new Good News! contained in the Gospel of Humanity to all Abrahamic believers who are now bereft of spiritual authority with the End of Abraham with Abraham's secret Brahma identity being exposed.
 
holysmoke said:
I am announcing I've resurrected once again here at Easter to bring you the new Good News! contained in the Gospel of Humanity to all Abrahamic believers who are now bereft of spiritual authority with the End of Abraham with Abraham's secret Brahma identity being exposed.
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So you are the smoking bush now. far out man.
 
Dharmaatmaa said:
Sorry, if I say so straight way - my language skills aren't perfect yet, - but the common thought I find to be clear. It would be democratically and correct to leave Sonoman alone. He's got right to say what he wants. A real Christian who knows he's on true way will never change his mind because of a poster. And who finds those opinions of his logical and correct... is he guilty?
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Dharmaatmaa, Sonoman has fallen into the same trap as the late Jacob Bryant: trying to substitute History with Linguistics. It is like predicting the past, but the past should be read not predicted. It is an unreliable technique.
see Jacob Bryant His chief works were A New System or Analysis of Ancient Mythology, Observations on the Plain of Troy, and Dissertation concerning the Wars of Troy.

Sonoman said:
I used to think there was some connection between "Hammurabi" and "Abraham" due to the consonant spelling similarities but if the Abe is Brahma theory is correct then Hammurabi would be a mythical man. Do mythical men leave steles? There has been much speculation about the Code of Hammurabi and the Mosaic Code but this Hindu roots for Abraham is from an older layer of history. I am seeing a Brahmin movement from northern India through Iran to Iraq, Assyria, Syria, all the way down south to Egypt via the Surya sun-god connection showing up in Osiris.
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Dream said:
Dharmaatmaa, Sonoman has fallen into the same trap as the late Jacob Bryant: trying to substitute History with Linguistics. It is like predicting the past, but the past should be read not predicted. It is an unreliable technique.
see Jacob Bryant His chief works were A New System or Analysis of Ancient Mythology, Observations on the Plain of Troy, and Dissertation concerning the Wars of Troy.
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No one is substituting history with linguistics here but only like many other minds before me, like Aristotle, pointing to linguistic coincidences between the Vedic sources and the later Hebrew myths of origin that are very hard to explain away as not being related at some point in time. Such information, because it does destroy the spiritual foundations of all the Abrahamic religions, is of course not going to be well received. Critics will forget all about how crimes and mysteries are solved by a cumulation of circumstantial evidence that forms a pattern to how the events actually happened.

When you can explain how a three Vedic names related to each other in their Hindu Vedic sources appear together in Hebrew stories without any borrowing I will be quite impressed but as it stands now it is millions to one against such a non-relationship. Especially considering the time-frame of the drying up of the Sarasvati river forcing the Brahmin community out and Abraham's journeys, and the distances between the northern India and the Near East where trade routes connected the two cultures through the Kyber Pass and through Iran which seems to have imparted such a heavy Iranian Suriyah sun-god influence throughout the ancient Middle East.
 
Holy Smoke said:
No one is substituting history with linguistics here but only like many other minds before me, like Aristotle, pointing to linguistic coincidences between the Vedic sources and the later Hebrew myths of origin that are very hard to explain away as not being related at some point in time.
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It is a common error to take Aristotle as superman. In this case the superman is Gene Matlock providing linguistic evidence for Sonoman's argument. Here is a quote about Mr. Matlock from Viewzone.com :"Gene has been credited with, almost single handedly, focusing historians and archaeoligists on the cultural similarities between the indigenous people of Mexico, past and present, and the ancient cultures of India and Turkey." Wow. Single-handedly! What a super guy!

Here are some more books written by him!
Christianity-Mankind's First Worldwide Religion!
What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholocis and Mexico?
Jesus and Moses Are Buried in India, Birthplace of Abraham and the Hebrews.

Holy Smoke said:
Such information, because it does destroy the spiritual foundations of all the Abrahamic religions, is of course not going to be well received.
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Just because I do not swallow the fly does not mean I am biased. It just means I am cautious and maybe preoccupied. It is all just far too reminiscent of Bryant.
 
I was first put onto the India/Abraham connection by reading archived articles posted on the Hindu website Sword of Truth. There Hindus pointed out the fact that pre-Muslim Mecca was an Arabic Vedic worship site and that Muhammad not only mistook "Abraham's" altar for a Brahma worship site but seemed to deliberately try to erase all traces of Vedic worship but failed to do so thereby leaving Islam with clear borrowed religious practices from Vedic worship, e.g. the seven perambulations Muslims do around the Kabaa comes from the seven perambulations Hindus did and some still do in worship of Shiva and the Black Stone Muhammad left out of all the other idols in the Cabaa because it was his family's worship stone--what is called a "shivaling" or Shiva idol in India.

When I read Gene Matlock's thesis and then checked for myself the time frame for the drying up of the Sarasvati river which forced the Vedic community out and saw that the timeline "fit" the story of the arrival of Abraham from the east into Canaan. Like the story of Noah and Ham with the sons of Ham being Cush and Canaan, i.e. place names made into Hebrew progenitors, I think Abram's father "Terah" is another place name in code for Tehran in Iran. The clincher for me to accept the Abe is Brahma thesis was Hagar. I mean, sure maybe Brahma and Sarasvati are not Abraham and Sarah at all, just a curious coincidence, but Hagar and Ghaggar? Come on now, that's when I came to realize Matlock's and others in history pointing to a Hindu/Hebrew connection made some serious sense.

As for Gene Matlock's seeing Sanskrit connections all over the world I think he's taking the theory of Vedic influence far too far and I personally ignore all his ideas outside the very basic ones that connect Abraham and Sarah to Brahma and Sarasvati.

Do sometime look into the correspondences between Brahmin theology and Judaism, e.g. both groups considered themselves "priests of God" and the highest caste or class of human beings, both groups had Saturn in their religious practices, both groups have Ravi as a symbol of mastery. Check this article: http://**********.org/brahmins1.htm

Ok..so I can't create a link to the article on this forum..why not?

'Tis the End of Abraham's as a model of righteousness as how could a pagan polytheistic god posing as a monotheistic Hebrew man receive blessing and a deed to Canaan from another pagan polytheistic God, EL? The notion is absurd.
 
Ok, Holy. Thanks, and I will start keeping my eyes open for information about that.
 
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/e/ella+fitzgerald/blue+moon_20045688.html#Blue Moon
You saw me standing alone
Without a dream in my heart
Without a love of my own

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/e/ella+fitzgerald/blue+moon_20045688.html#Blue Moon
You know just what I was there for
You heard me saying a prayer for
Someone I really could care for

And then there suddenly appeared before me
The only one my arms will hold
I heard somebody whisper please adore me
And when I looked to the moon it turned to gold

Blue moon
Now Im no longer alone
Without a dream in my heart
Without a love of my own

And then there suddenly appeared before me
The only one my arms will ever hold
I heard somebody whisper please adore me
And when I looked the moon had turned to gold

Blue moon
Now Im no longer alone
Without a dream in my heart
Without a love of my own

Blue moon
Now Im no longer alone
Without a dream in my heart
Without a love of my own


Once in a Blue Moon a new Gospel comes along..
 
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