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Did God know Eve would eat -- a non-Abrhamic perspective
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You know I had heard that before and I never really thought about it. I heard that God is done creating. No i am very interested. The truth is the truth. If I don;t understand something or something new comes in to play I am all for it. I want to hear.
Darren
Nick the Pilot
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Q,
First of all, I want to thank you for not being sarcastic, and putting me down, as you usually do.
Is there a quote in the Bible about seven flames before the throne?
First of all, I want to thank you for not being sarcastic, and putting me down, as you usually do.
Is there a quote in the Bible about seven flames before the throne?
Nick the Pilot
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Dream,
You said,
"I found the verse you're referring to about seven lamps."
--> Do you have that chapter and verse?
You said,
"I found the verse you're referring to about seven lamps."
--> Do you have that chapter and verse?
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wow, i must be on alot of ignore lists. it figures.
Nick the Pilot
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You said,
"Yes it is two different accounts.... This is how God works. Only in His time are we if at all allowed to understand."
--> I'm sorry, but I cannot buy that.
(1) Too many times I have heard that nonsensical stuff in the Bible can be explained by "God can do anything." Sorry, it just dosen't work for me.
(2) I am fortunate, because my belief system makes absolute, perfect, logical sense. Therefore, I do not have to deal such problems.
(3) You are referring to the Double Creation Story in Genesis. Do you really think the human race was created twice?
You said,
"Yes it is two different accounts.... This is how God works. Only in His time are we if at all allowed to understand."
--> I'm sorry, but I cannot buy that.
(1) Too many times I have heard that nonsensical stuff in the Bible can be explained by "God can do anything." Sorry, it just dosen't work for me.
(2) I am fortunate, because my belief system makes absolute, perfect, logical sense. Therefore, I do not have to deal such problems.
(3) You are referring to the Double Creation Story in Genesis. Do you really think the human race was created twice?
Dream
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Nick, the reference you wanted is Revelation 4:5. The other references are similar, all using the words throne and seven.
To tell you the truth I don't know.
How do you explain secientist account of man (how far we go back) and the Gens. story that goes back what 6000yrs??
I am all ears
Darren
Dream
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The 7,000 year plan Leo mentioned divides history into 7 millenia and attaches a major Bible event to each day. Its popular with some groups. Here's an example list:
- Day 1: Earth's creation and Adam's death
- Day 2: The flood and Noah
- Day 3: Moses and Israel on Mt. Sinai
- Day 4: Nebuchadnezzar destroys the 1st Temple. Zerubbabel (sown in Babylon) returns. Ezra, Nehemiah, Haggai & Joshua begin 2nd Temple period.
- Day 5: 2nd & 3rd Temples destroyed. Hanukah & 1st Christian millenium
- Day 6: 2nd Christian millenium.
- Day 7: Temple built in Israel & Jesus returns
- Day 8:....
I don't know. I've never pushed studies on Revelation Nick. I also don't believe I ever gave you more than you gave me...
If I did, I am sorry for that.
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Tis another dream... back to the recent earth folks huh?
You should try addressing me Darren.
I disagree with you (that is one thing), I don't accept your will of things, but I do not treat you with disrespect.
Since this is not my forum, I'll leave it at that.
Dream
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Its not related to young earth theories, although they make use of it. Its popularity bridges and branches through all over the place. How could it not? Israel got recognized national borders in Canaan in 1948, which just happened to be very close to year 6000. No matter what the cause, this is an amazing thing and right up until year 6000 and beyond it will be considered a phenomenon.Wil said:
Hmmm
day 1: There is an explosion (big bang, God speaks), long day, as stars and debris around the stars have to settle into globes/belts. With globes spinning and orbiting spinning stars, we get light, and night/dark. globes become planets and offshoot moons, coalecse and settle down while the cores solidify, or the gas giants stablize. (one billion years).
day 2: Gasses coalesce around planets that have a heavy magnetic core (iron), and start to separate. There is lots of heat and hydrogen and oxygen and BOOM another explosion on planets resulting in "Water". But the core temp of the planet has to cool, and then we see(if we could be there) the sea forming on the surface and an atmosphere forming above... (one billion years).
I could keep on but my point is this...how old is the earth by scientific standards? Seven billion years? This is still the day of rest by God's standards, and the scientists are satisfied with the fact that their expectations of the age of the earth are not in question by the bible (God's time is not man's or the universe's time).
It is seven of God's days (as he saw fit at the time), and seven billion years (from man's perspective). We're dealing with a guy that makes the rules here. Right? Just because he invented the game, doesn't mean he has to play it (just ask Milton Bradley, on his "Game of Life").
I would address you, I also get tired of your sarcasims. If sarcasims is not a sign of disrespect then your right.
PS I don't care if you don't agree with me or my will of things that's fine.
I also see it is just not me who's been the target of your sarcasims.
I just leave it at that.
Please you are not on my list. I really want to know about your belief on the Gen's account.
Darren
Nick the Pilot
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Winner,
the seven Spirits which are before his throne
seven lamps of fire burning before the throne
Yes, these are the seven Elohim which created humanity.
You asked,
“How do you explain secientist account of man (how far we go back) and the Gens. story that goes back what 6000yrs??”
--> I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean the fact that science says the Earth is 4 billion years old, while Christians say the entire universe is 6,000 years old? Are you asking why there is such a discrepancy?
“Nick do you believe that God has a plan and a time table for that plan?”
--> I am not a monotheist, so I would not use the word ‘God’ in such a way. But yes, there is a plan and a time table.
“If so then would not God reveal things to man in His appointed time?”
--> The entire plan has not been revealed because we are not ready to learn about the plan. It has been said that, if we knew all of the secrets of the universe, it would be very dangerous indeed. I also believe that, when we are ready, all aspects of the plan will be revealed to us. One of the reasons parts of the Bible is written in such an arcane fashion is because they are trying to discuss things that are not allowed to be discussed.
“One we have God Make man in Our image. then you have God forming man out of the dust.”
--> This refers to the fact that a human being is composed of an astral body and a physical body (as well as other aspects). The Elohim also had/have astral bodies. They took parts of their astral bodies and created astral bodies for the first humans. This is what is meant by ‘in their image,’ and is literally correct. Next is the part of ‘man formed out of the dust.’ This refers to the creating of man’s physical bodies — again, a literally correct statement. Our astral bodies were created before our physical bodies were created (which is the only way it could have been done, if you think about it). This is why the ‘our image’ statement correctly precedes the ‘formed out of dust’ statement in that sentence.
the seven Spirits which are before his throne
seven lamps of fire burning before the throne
Yes, these are the seven Elohim which created humanity.
You asked,
“How do you explain secientist account of man (how far we go back) and the Gens. story that goes back what 6000yrs??”
--> I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean the fact that science says the Earth is 4 billion years old, while Christians say the entire universe is 6,000 years old? Are you asking why there is such a discrepancy?
“Nick do you believe that God has a plan and a time table for that plan?”
--> I am not a monotheist, so I would not use the word ‘God’ in such a way. But yes, there is a plan and a time table.
“If so then would not God reveal things to man in His appointed time?”
--> The entire plan has not been revealed because we are not ready to learn about the plan. It has been said that, if we knew all of the secrets of the universe, it would be very dangerous indeed. I also believe that, when we are ready, all aspects of the plan will be revealed to us. One of the reasons parts of the Bible is written in such an arcane fashion is because they are trying to discuss things that are not allowed to be discussed.
“One we have God Make man in Our image. then you have God forming man out of the dust.”
--> This refers to the fact that a human being is composed of an astral body and a physical body (as well as other aspects). The Elohim also had/have astral bodies. They took parts of their astral bodies and created astral bodies for the first humans. This is what is meant by ‘in their image,’ and is literally correct. Next is the part of ‘man formed out of the dust.’ This refers to the creating of man’s physical bodies — again, a literally correct statement. Our astral bodies were created before our physical bodies were created (which is the only way it could have been done, if you think about it). This is why the ‘our image’ statement correctly precedes the ‘formed out of dust’ statement in that sentence.
Dream
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I do not need to know why there are seven, because to me that number is truly arcane. There are things coming to light though, and ignorance usually seems more harmful than knowledge.