who is Michael the Archangel?

[mee]

Michael and Jesus can not be the same person

Reasons for Honoring the Son​

Now we come to the matter of honoring Jesus Christ. ​

That his followers are obligated to honor him can be seen from his words at John 5:22, 23: "For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son, in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him." ​

Since Christ’s resurrection, Jehovah has honored his Son to an even greater degree, ‘crowning him with glory and honor for having suffered death.’ (Hebrews 2:9; 1 Peter 3:22) ​

Basically, we have reasons to honor Jesus both because of who he is and because of what he has done. ​

Jesus Christ deserves honor because he, as the Logos, or Word, is Jehovah’s communicator par excellence. ​

From the Scriptures it is apparent that the designation "the Word" applies to Jesus before he came to earth as well as after he ascended to heaven. (John 1:1; Revelation 19:13) ​

At Revelation 3:14 he speaks of himself as "the beginning of the creation by God." Not only is he "the firstborn of all creation" but as the "only begotten Son" he is the only one who was directly created by Jehovah God. (Colossians 1:15; John 3:16) ​

In addition, "all things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." (John 1:3) ​

Therefore, when we read at Genesis 1:26 that God said, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness," that "us" includes the Logos, or Word. ​

Surely, the fact that Jesus in his prehuman existence had the marvelous privilege of sharing with Jehovah God in creation makes him worthy of great honor. ​

Jesus Christ further deserves honor because he is Jehovah’s chief angel, or archangel. ​

On what basis do we reach that conclusion? ​

Well, the prefix "arch," meaning "chief" or "principal," implies that there is only one archangel. ​

God’s Word speaks of him in reference to the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ. ​

We read: "The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first." (1 Thessalonians 4:16) ​

This archangel has a name, as we read at Jude 9: "When Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: ‘May Jehovah rebuke you.’" In not running ahead of Jehovah by daring to bring judgment against the Devil, Jesus thus honored his heavenly Father. ​

The archangel Michael fights in behalf of God’s Kingdom, taking the lead in cleansing the heavens of Satan and his demonic hordes. (Revelation 12:7-10) ​

And the prophet Daniel says that ‘he stands in behalf of God’s people.’ (Daniel 12:1) ​

It appears, therefore, that Michael is "the angel of the true God who was going ahead of the camp of Israel" and that he is the one God used to bring his people into the Promised Land. "Watch yourself because of him and obey his voice," God commanded. "Do not behave rebelliously against him, . . . because my name is within him." (Exodus 14:19; 23:20, 21) ​

Without a doubt Jehovah’s archangel must have taken a great interest in God’s typical name people. ​

Most fittingly he came to the aid of another angel that was sent to comfort the prophet Daniel, and who had been waylaid by a powerful demon. (Daniel 10:13) ​

It may therefore be reasonable to conclude that the angel that destroyed Sennacherib’s 185,000 warriors was none other than Michael the archangel.—Isaiah 37:36.​

 

[mee]

Ironic that you should point out Michael and Satan. Michael could not rebuke Satan, very true (Jude 1:9),

yes at that time he certainly did honor his father he did not run ahead
When Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: ‘May Jehovah rebuke you.’" In not running ahead of Jehovah by daring to bring judgment against the Devil, Jesus thus honored his heavenly Father.

 

[Dream]

This archangel has a name, as we read at Jude 9: "When Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: ‘May Jehovah rebuke you.’"

That reference in Jude 9 is a direct allusion to Zechariah 3. It is a vision, and Jude refers to Israel as the body of Moses, which we today call the body of Christ. The 'Accuser of the brethren' takes physical form in the vision and is referred to as satan which means 'enemy'. It makes sense that Joshua represents the body of Moses, since he is both king and priest in the vision, which is the goal for the entire body of Moses.(Exo 19:6) In the vision they are the branch yanked from the fire. Joshua translates to 'Jehovah is salvation'. This is another reason why I think 'Michael' which means 'Like el' is not the name of an individual.

Zechariah 3:1-2 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

Correcting a mistake in post 10, I think Cyrus and not Darius is probably the Michael in that vision. He is elsewhere called the 'Shepherd of the LORD's flock'. Its easy to get the two kings confused since they conquer Babylon together.

 

[Thomas]

Mee —

Unless you can show me where Scripture identifies Michael as the Son of God, this is all nonsense.

And again, as it was never a tradition received from Jesus, nor from the Apostles ... then it must be a tradition received from ... the founder of your religion ... in which case it is a man-made tradition.

Again, in traditional Christianity, the order of the angels is:
FIRST ORDER:
Seraphim, Cherubim, and Thrones;

SECOND ORDER:
Dominations, Virtues, and Powers;

THIRD ORDER:
Principalities, Archangels, and Angels.
But this is not an article of faith, not a dogma, not a doctrine ... it in fact is a man-made tradition, although not without Scriptural support.

Yours however, is a man-made tradition that contradicts Scripture:
"For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him." Colossians 1:16-17

As a being cannot create itself, Jesus cannot be an archangel.

Thomas

 

[BlaznFattyz]

angels do not sit on the throne to judge and receive worship. angels are not glorified and honored as the Father, angels names are not above all other names, angels are created and are subject to the creator, angels are not salvation.

Jesus on the other hand sits on the throne, receives worship, is glorified and honored, his name is above all names, he is the creator of all things and all things are subject to him, and he is salvation.

 

[leastone]

But this is not an article of faith, not a dogma, not a doctrine ... it in fact is a man-made tradition, although not without Scriptural support.

Yours however, is a man-made tradition that contradicts Scripture:
Thomas

Thanks for spelling out that distinction, Thomas. I found that very helpful.

Man-made tradition with Scriptural support vs. man-made tradition that contradicts Scripture.

Thanks,

Learner

 

[mee]

Mee —

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Yours however, is a man-made tradition that contradicts Scripture:
"For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him." Colossians 1:16-17

As a being cannot create itself, Jesus cannot be an archangel.

Thomas

Jesus was the only one created by Jehovah alone , everything else in the universe was created through that first-born son.

Jesus was the first-born of creation .
"THE Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does." (John 5:20)


What a warm relationship the Son enjoyed with his Father, Jehovah!

The closeness of that relationship began at the time of his creation, countless millenniums before his human birth.

He was God’s only-begotten Son, the only one created directly by Jehovah himself.

Everything else in heaven and on earth was created by means of that dearly loved firstborn Son. (Colossians 1:15, 16)


He also served as God’s Word, or Spokesman, the One through whom the divine will was communicated to others.

This one, the Son that God was specially fond of, became the man Jesus Christ.—Proverbs 8:22-30; John 1:14, 18; 12:49, 50.

 

[mee]

(Mi´cha·el) [Who Is Like God?].

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Bible’s Answer
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Aside from Michael, no archangel is mentioned in the Bible, nor do the Scriptures use the term "archangel" in the plural.

The Bible describes Michael as the archangel, implying that he alone bears that designation.

Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that Jehovah God has delegated to one, and only one, of his heavenly creatures full authority over all other angels.


Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection—namely, Jesus Christ. (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31)

The apostle Paul made specific mention of "the Lord Jesus" and "his powerful angels." (2 Thessalonians 1:7)
And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: "He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him."—1 Peter 3:22.


While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links Jesus with the office of archangel.

In his letter to the Thessalonians, the apostle Paul prophesied: "The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first." (1 Thessalonians 4:16)

In this scripture Jesus is described as having assumed his power as God’s Messianic King. Yet, he speaks with "an archangel’s voice." Note, too, that he has the power to raise the dead.


While on earth as a human, Jesus performed several resurrections. In doing so, he used his voice to utter commanding calls.

For example, when resurrecting the dead son of a widow in the city of Nain, he said: "Young man, I say to you, Get up!" (Luke 7:14, 15)

Later, just before resurrecting his friend Lazarus, Jesus "cried out with a loud voice: ‘Lazarus, come on out!’" (John 11:43) But on these occasions, Jesus’ voice was the voice of a perfect man.


After his own resurrection, Jesus was raised to a "superior position" in heaven as a spirit creature. (Philippians 2:9)

No longer a human, he has the voice of an archangel. So when God’s trumpet sounded the call for "those who are dead in union with Christ" to be raised to heaven, Jesus issued "a commanding call," this time "with an archangel’s voice." It is reasonable to conclude that only an archangel would call "with an archangel’s voice."


Yes, there are other angelic creatures of high rank, such as seraphs and cherubs. (Genesis 3:24; Isaiah 6:2)
Yet, the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel.​

 

[mee]

Cyrus quote]



The prophecies concerning the sudden fall of symbolic Babylon the Great as set forth in the book of Revelation parallel in major respects the description of Cyrus’ conquest of the literal city of Babylon. (Compare Re 16:12; 18:7, 8 with Isa 44:27, 28; 47:8, 9.)


The king at the head of the mighty military forces described immediately after the account of symbolic Babylon’s fall, however, is no earthly king but the heavenly "Word of God," Jehovah’s true anointed Shepherd, Christ Jesus.—Re 19:1-3, 11-16.

 

[Thomas]

Hi Mee —

You haven't answered my question.

Jesus was the only one created by Jehovah alone...

No, that's another man-made tradition of yours, and not in Scripture. Jesus was begotten of the Father, that doesn't mean created. Two different words. Two different meanings.

A thing begets of itself, therefore the thing begotten is of the same nature as the begetter. Cats don't give birth to dogs. God doesn't give birth to angels.

Jesus was the first-born of creation.

Yes, I know that, but I also know the term as the Apostles understood it.

You, or rather your leaders, willfully choose to misunderstand the term, to redefine it to suit yourselves.

The closeness of that relationship began at the time of his creation, countless millenniums before his human birth.

Nope ... you're inventing again. Look at Scripture:

Proverbs 8:22-30
"The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up (Hb: nacak "to pour out") from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him..."
Jesus was there with Him before Creation, so He cannot be considered in any way 'created', were the Son created, then creation would have begun with Him.

Your insistence that Jesus is created is your own, man-made tradition.

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This one, the Son that God was specially fond of, became the man Jesus Christ

Even for a JW, that's a nonsense argument.

You say Jesus is an archangel. But there are higher angelic forms than that. The Seraphim and Cherubim are more exalted than archangels ... yet Jesus did more than they ever did ... so a bum deal for Jesus then?

You say Jesus is King, but archangels are not kings ... they're below that ...

And the idea of God having a 'special fondness' ... well ... what d'you think it was, the way He combed His hair? (Lord, forgive me, but for Love's sake, let their be light!). Seriously, such anthropomorphism does both Father and Son a disservice.

Thomas

 

[Dream]

Either six million JW's will soon be added to the Catholic church or a billion Catholics will soon reverence Brooklyn, NY. So beautiful. Kind of make me teary-eyed. I can't wait for everything to get worked out, and to think that its happening right here at our very own interfaith.org !!!

 

[mee]

Either six million JW's will soon be added to the Catholic church or a billion Catholics will soon reverence Brooklyn, NY. So beautiful. Kind of make me teary-eyed. I can't wait for everything to get worked out, and to think that its happening right here at our very own interfaith.org !!!

I think you will find that the 7 million Jehovahs witnesses all over the globe have already come out of other religions , and now they are in unity worldwide.
rev 18;4


REVELATION 7;9-10 AND THEY NOW ALL HAVE THEIR SYMBOLIC PALM BRANCHES IN THEIR HANDS



and they all know who michael is ,
he is a warrior king

 

[mee]

The apostle John repeatedly describes the Lord Jesus Christ as the only-begotten Son of God. (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18; 1Jo 4:9)

This is not in reference to his human birth or to him as just the man Jesus. As the Lo´gos, or Word, "this one was in the beginning with God," even "before the world was." (Joh 1:1, 2; 17:5, 24)
At that time while in his prehuman state of existence, he is described as the "only-begotten Son" whom his Father sent "into the world."—1Jo 4:9.


He is described as having "a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father," the one residing "in the bosom position with the Father." (Joh 1:14, 18)
It is hard to think of a closer, more confidential, or more loving and tender relationship between a father and his son than this​

 

[mee]

I can't wait for everything to get worked out, quote]



Babylon the great has already fallen , but she is yet to be done away with by God, and Gods people are out of her revelation 18;4

it is moving along nicely and its all working out fine


babylon the great nolonger has any power over Gods people . thats why she has fallen

 

[Dream]

Luke 12:51-53 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Mee, you can not allow another being to disagree with you even in part, because you represent an infallible authority. Among you there can be no disagreement, or you would think your house was divided. It is the same with the other perfected churches. Such two forces are irreconcileable, because they think it is so important to be right. You are the fulfillment of this prophecy, a member of the great divided house. And here is the future:

Matthew 12:24-26 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

If Jesus brings division(Luke 12 above), then you must ask yourself what the division is for. It certainly isn't so that one division can triumph over another, but so that the entire thing will fall and be destroyed forever leaving nothing of man's making.

 

[17th Angel]

Either six million JW's will soon be added to the Catholic church or a billion Catholics will soon reverence Brooklyn, NY. So beautiful. Kind of make me teary-eyed. I can't wait for everything to get worked out, and to think that its happening right here at our very own interfaith.org !!!

Explain? lol... Cause I don't get it.

 

[mee]

If Jesus brings division(Luke 12 above), then you must ask yourself what the division is for. quote]

Do YOU imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell YOU, but rather division. 52 For from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against [her] mother, mother-in-law against [her] daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against [her] mother-in-law."​

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yes it is just as Jesus foretold ,when a person follows Jesus christ it causes much unrest , because people even of a persons own household do not like it .


and the reason why,, is because the whole world is lieing in the power of the wicked one (satan the devil)1 JOHN 5;19


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Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword.

MATTHEW 10;34


yes ,many in this world are in opposition and become fighters against Gods purpose , and those who stick to the teachings of Jesus have many battles along the way , because they stick to the teachings of Jesus


and the world does not like it, that Jesus followers are no part of the world







​

 

[Dream]

I'm not saying you're part of the world, but you are a part of the divided house, full of factions that won't reconcile. Your protectionist stance is that of the servant who buries his talent. You try to protect it among yourselves, afraid the knowledge will be harmed! The one who gave you the talent wants you to invest it, so take the risk. Going door to door isn't enough. You should sell your buildings and join with other Christians, thinking less of knowledge and more of love. That is how you come out of the world, and I think it is related to Michael's mission, too. Jesus would be pleased by the return on such an investment. All Christians will do it eventually, however why should powerful Bible scholars like you be the last ones?

ASV Psalm 118:8 It is better to take refuge in Jehovah than to put confidence in man.

Ephesians 4:30-32 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

 

[mee]

I'm not saying you're part of the world, but you are a part of the divided house, quote]
what i am a part of is not divided at all , it has worldwide unity

 

[mee]

Your protectionist stance is that of the servant who buries his talent. You try to protect it among yourselves, quote]


mee is not perfect , and keeping the goodnews to myself is not what i do ,i like to share it out.

but regarding some in earlier days, Before 1914 ,they had not enthusiastically shared their hope with others, and they did not want to start in 1919. How did Jesus respond to their insolence? He took away all their privileges. They were ‘thrown out into the darkness outside, where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth would be.’—Matthew 25:28, 30.

only those who are willing to share it out are blessed, but those who did not, are in complete darkness with no enlightenment at all .