Who created God?

The "Sarum Rite" .. hmm.
I used to live not far away from Sarum [ Salisbury ].

I remember going on a school trip to "Old Sarum".
Old Sarum is the site of the earliest settlement of Salisbury in England.
The great monoliths of Stonehenge and Avebury were erected nearby and indications of prehistoric settlement have been discovered from as early as 3000 BC.

Perhaps I should move back there and start a community, much like the Amish in US :D
Where are you @stranger .. can I borrow your horse, please? ;)
 
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Political correctness says that women NO LONGER have to obey their husbands.
Quite, they are no longer the chattel of their husbands. A move for the better, wouldn't you say?

I mean, it's no longer socially acceptable to beat your wife, either, but hey, it goes on.

The Ladies also used to wear shawls covering their modesty.
Yep, it's all her fault! :rolleyes:
 
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No .. not everybody .. but Mumbai, for example, has a population of around 23 million .. I feel sure that it has come there.
Yes and no. A big city tells what 21st Century has done but leaves millions out of it, not just Mumbai but every metropolis in developing world.

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I thought Islam forbade monasticism? What do you mean by modesty anyway?

If an individual wants to "take to the hills" to escape affliction, it is NOT forbidden.
However, it is not part of religion to denounce our human nature, no.

Monks did not live in monasteries at first, rather, they began by living alone, as the word monos might suggest. As more people took on the lives of monks, living alone in the wilderness, they started to come together and model themselves after the original monks nearby. Quickly, the monks formed communities to further their ability to observe an ascetic life

Mmm .. talking about the Benedictine Monks reminds me of Brother Adam.
He came to Birmingham Beekeepers Assoc. to give us a talk one year. Very interesting :)

No, I was referring to the modest dress of dedicated Christian ladies, to this day
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Yes and no. A big city tells what 21st Century has done but leaves millions out of it, not just Mumbai but every metropolis in developing world.

Well, quite.
..so you are referring to the millions of people in the world who are "left behind".
I was referring to the "British concept" of Ladies and Gentlemen which seems to be disappearing
fast, particularly in the West.
 
Mmm .. talking about the Benedictine Monks reminds me of Brother Adam.
He came to Birmingham Beekeepers Assoc. to give us a talk one year. Very interesting :)
Are/were you a beekeeper?
Brother Adam died in 1996 and Buckfast Abbey doesn’t any longer keep bees. There are very few Buckfast monks left now and most are very old men

Brother Adam
"Karl Kehrle OSB OBE (3 August 1898 Mittelbiberach Germany – 1 September 1996, Buckfast, Devonshire, England, UK) known as Brother Adam, was a Benedictine monk, beekeeper and an authority on bee breeding, developer of the Buckfast bee.

"He was unsurpassed as a breeder of bees. He talked to them, he stroked them. He brought to the hives a calmness that, according to those who saw him at work, the sensitive bees responded to."

Buckfast Abbey Bees
"Brother Adam made extensive journeys all over the world to get breeding stock. He concentrated on countries with a distinct indigenous race of bees, going chiefly to isolated country regions where the purity of the native strains had been maintained. He even went to the Sahara. Over the years, he travelled more than 100,000 miles in search of bees ..."
 
Are/were you a beekeeper?

Yes, I was .. and then I had more children and got distracted .. I also moved to Eire and passed on my bees to other members.
It'a a great hobby, and the honey is scrumptious .. yum!
The beeswax is also useful. I used it in furniture polish and hand/face cream.
 
Well, quite.
..so you are referring to the millions of people in the world who are "left behind".
I was referring to the "British concept" of Ladies and Gentlemen which seems to be disappearing
fast, particularly in the West.

Yes and it is sad.

Equality does not mean sameness. I see a future where equality will embrace the importance of the females given capacity in nurture and education.

It is a topic that will evolve. It is like two magnets of opposite polarity. Sameness repels, opposites attract. Unity and equality embraces our unique gender qualities and not compromising those qualities.

Regards Tony
 
Yes and it is sad.

Equality does not mean sameness. I see a future where equality will embrace the importance of the females given capacity in nurture and education.

Yes, it is sad.
My daughters were very fortunate. By the Grace of God, they studied religion as boarders in Nottingham
while young adults.
 
Yes, it is sad.
My daughters were very fortunate. By the Grace of God, they studied religion as boarders in Nottingham
while young adults.

It will be interesting to see how the future unfolds, as liberty has done great damage to our spiritual balance.

You may find these quotes interesting.

"It is incumbent upon them who are in authority to exercise moderation in all things. Whatsoever passeth beyond the limits of moderation will cease to exert a beneficial influence. Consider for instance such things as liberty, civilization and the like. However much men of understanding may favourably regard them, they will, if carried to excess, exercise a pernicious influence upon men." Tablets of Baha’u’llah, p. 169.

About liberty, this was also offered:

"Liberty must, in the end, lead to sedition, whose flames none can quench. Thus warneth you He Who is the Reckoner, the All-Knowing. Know ye that the embodiment of liberty and its symbol is the animal. That which beseemeth man is submission unto such restraints as will protect him from his own ignorance, and guard him against the harm of the mischief-maker. Liberty causeth man to overstep the bounds of propriety, and to infringe on the dignity of his station. It debaseth him to the level of extreme depravity and wickedness." Baha’u’llah, The Most Holy Book, p. 63.

To find the balance, Men and Women of all races and nations, must learn to work together for the common good of all peoples.

This life is not self based and the personal choices we make, must favour the best outcome for the whole.

Regards Tony
 
"It is incumbent upon them who are in authority to exercise moderation in all things. Whatsoever passeth beyond the limits of moderation will cease to exert a beneficial influence.

That is indeed the case..
Moderation is very important. This can not be learnt only through books.
It is by experience, that we can often realise our mistakes when we were younger.

"Liberty must, in the end, lead to sedition, whose flames none can quench.

It is about balance. There should be no force upon people to convert to a particular religion, yet
evil-doing should be prohibited from being promoted.
The problem lies in what a society considers to be evil-doing. Those that don't judge by what God has revealed
will make their own laws.
It is one thing what goes on behind closed-doors [ in private ], but public promotion is another.

One of the greatest evils of the days leading up to the apocalypse is nationalism.
 
I was referring to the "British concept" of Ladies and Gentlemen which seems to be disappearing fast, particularly in the West.
If onyone believes in a six day creation, Adam from mud and Eve from his ribs; in judgment, deliverance, heaven and hell, then that person too is not in the 21st Century. :D
"Liberty must, in the end, lead to sedition, whose flames none can quench. Thus warneth you He Who is the Reckoner, the All-Knowing. Know ye that the embodiment of liberty and its symbol is the animal. That which beseemeth man is submission unto such restraints as will protect him from his own ignorance, and guard him against the harm of the mischief-maker. Liberty causeth man to overstep the bounds of propriety, and to infringe on the dignity of his station. It debaseth him to the level of extreme depravity and wickedness."
Your manifestation, the 19th Century uneducated Iranian preacher, apparently, did not know the difference between liberty and license.
 
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If onyone believes in a six day creation, Adam from mud and Eve from his ribs; in judgment, deliverance, heaven and hell, then that person too is not in the 21st Century. :D

Are you sure that you are not Richard Dawkins in disguise? ;)
You quite clearly, don't understand what the Bible actually teaches.
Civilisation is fluid .. it depends on people's beliefs and behaviour.

Who created this?
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Is belief in that in the 21st. century?
 
Quite, they are no longer the chattel of their husbands. A move for the better, wouldn't you say?
I mean, it's no longer socially acceptable to beat your wife, either, but hey, it goes on.

What makes a woman "a chattel"?
How many women were trapped in marriage with abusive husbands due to dogma?

The Catholic Church historically opposed the legalization of civil divorce in Catholic countries.

After the reformation, things started to change in England..

Protestant ideas were popular among some parts of the English population, especially among academics and merchants with connections to continental Europe. The first open demonstration of support for Luther took place at Cambridge in 1521 when a student defaced a copy of the papal bull of condemnation against Luther

As of 2019, Cambridge has won the Oxford and Cambridge Boat Race 84 times and Oxford 80 times :D
[ currently cancelled due to covid ]
 
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