Who created God?
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Errr .. no
IF IF IF he had seen the Gospel of Truth, I doubt he would have considered it "tosh".
You know what Isaac Newton would have thought? That's a good one!Errr .. no
IF IF IF he had seen the Gospel of Truth, I doubt he would have considered it "tosh".
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Well, I know what I think, and I'm an Arian
You probably haven't even read it .. come on then .. Can you show us which verses are "tosh", please?
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Have you read it?
Much of it .. yes.
I wonder what was going through Judas Iscariot's mind when he betrayed Jesus
to the Sanhedrin..
It seems he didn't expect what actually happened. He presumably thought
that Jesus couldn't lose against them. Was he really a bad person?
I doubt it.
I wonder what was going through Judas Iscariot's mind when he betrayed Jesus
to the Sanhedrin..
It seems he didn't expect what actually happened. He presumably thought
that Jesus couldn't lose against them. Was he really a bad person?
I doubt it.
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Gnostic thought merely shows how the message and the life of Christ work on all levels, from the most practical to the most mystical: from king to beggar and from child to professor. Gnostic thought is just one interpretation amongst many others. The discussions will continue for another 2000 years into the future, imo
What's "Gnostic" about the Gospel of Truth?
The ideas expressed deviate from the views of Valentinian gnosticism.
The Nag Hammadi documents are (basically) Gnostic documents.
You mention Richard Dawkins, but your own sneering attacks against the Christian beliefs of a-third of the world's people at their holy time of year is not much different, imo.
There are gnostic hallmarks: dualism, creation of the world by imperfect entities (the aeons), a savior coming from the fullness beyond the universe...
Here is a translation: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/got.html
Here is a translation: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/got.html
Great Link. Thank you
Nag Hammadi library
Gospel of Truth
The Gospel of Truth is one of the Gnostic texts from the New Testament apocrypha found in the Nag Hammadi codices ("NHC"). It exists in two Coptic translations, a Subakhmimic rendition surviving almost in full in the first Nag Hammadi codex (the "Jung Codex") and a Sahidic in fragments in the twelfth codex.
The Gospel of Truth is not titled but the name for the work is from the first three words of the text, it may have been written in Greek between 140 and 180 by Valentinian Gnostics (or, as some posit, by Valentinus himself) ...
… Not all scholars agree that the entire library should be considered Gnostic. Paterson Brown has argued that the three Nag Hammadi Gospels of Thomas, Philip and Truth cannot be so labelled, since each, in his opinion, may explicitly affirm the basic reality and sanctity of incarnate life, which Gnosticism by definition considers illusory…
Rather splitting hairs, imo ...
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Mmm .. and here's another one from the same site
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gostruth.html
I think we have to be careful here. If one is sincerely interested in the GoT, one shouldn't rely on
dubious translations. If we compare these 2 alone, we can see quite a difference in rendering.
..and @RJM Corbet .. where is the interfaith version on the original website?
..and here's another..
https://web.archive.org/web/20031030132950/http://www.metalog.org/files/valent.html
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@Thomas
On the subject of ladies obeying their husbands..
There is no doubt what the official teaching is in dealing with the relation of husbands to wives.
We find that the Catechism of the Council of Trent points out that wives are to be obedient and subject to their husbands.
Quoting St. Ambrose it says:
"quo etiam declarari videbatur, viris obedientes subiectasque esse oportere."
On the subject of ladies obeying their husbands..
There is no doubt what the official teaching is in dealing with the relation of husbands to wives.
We find that the Catechism of the Council of Trent points out that wives are to be obedient and subject to their husbands.
Quoting St. Ambrose it says:
"quo etiam declarari videbatur, viris obedientes subiectasque esse oportere."
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Oh .. I've found it at the bottom of the apocrypha index.
A link to the gnosis website
A link to the gnosis website
I just added itOh .. I've found it at the bottom of the apocrypha index.
A link to the gnosis website
Much of it is already included in the original Apocrypha section. But it seems a lot of it is not, including The Gospel of Truth. There are several different translation versions offered for most of the documents. Anyway -- it's all there now.thought so
https://www.interfaith.org/christianity/apocrypha/
I hope you have a pleasant Easter weekend
One thing that can't be denied, is that it is clearly subordinationist .. and what's more,
it was a prevalent belief in the first and second centuries.
Yes .. I also wish all a wonderful Easter weekend.
it was a prevalent belief in the first and second centuries.
Yes .. I also wish all a wonderful Easter weekend.
The Incarnation and life of Christ can be taken in many ways by many people. Christ reaches every heart and soul. He will continue to do so for future millennia. That is the validity of Christ, imo
I think the evidence of patriarchy and misogyny generally and in the history of our religions particularly is enough to warrant a review of a doctrine that was laid down in the 16th century ...