Organized Atheism (And so it begins...)

path_of_one said:
What about the new religions that are promoting some modern doctrine?

Or... the ones that have no doctrine at all? :eek:;)

No cultural group is immune... they all go through the same tired old phases. They kick a$$ in the beginning and are all passionate about social justice and calling people to some higher potential... and then they get mucked up in individual and national power struggles.

It's a human thing. Unfortunately.
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I entirely agree yet still it gladdens me to see atheists in the US standing up to be heard. Any group that amasses any power or wealth becomes a target for the corrupt and no doubt given the time to evolve an atheist organisation most surely would not be exempt. Still I see it as a positive development in US culture.
 
Tao_Equus said:
There is a big difference between organising to promote reason and intellectual honesty than from organising based on some medieval doctrine.
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Yeppers. There is a big difference between ancient religion and intellectual honesty.

Humanism has been around a while and shows no inclination to descend into the mindless drivel that religions foment.
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Humanism a great thing and definately something that is lacking from these religions. In fact I have seen deliberate hate toward humanists from the battered institutions which makes no sense to me. It works very well with some deists too, not just atheism or agnostic.
 
Tao_Equus said:
I entirely agree yet still it gladdens me to see atheists in the US standing up to be heard. Any group that amasses any power or wealth becomes a target for the corrupt and no doubt given the time to evolve an atheist organisation most surely would not be exempt. Still I see it as a positive development in US culture.
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Oh, so do I. I just don't think it will be all rosy for them, either, if they ever get a substantial amount of power. Same goes for my own beloved new traditions. :)

I guess my wish for movements like this is that they get enough power to be heard and accepted, and the diversity tolerance expands, and that they don't get enough power to become the new persecutors.
 
Curious about how long a run of atheism lasts. Has anyone ever heard of an atheism tradition? This 'Organized atheism' don't look so organized to me. Show me the organs that will keep it going.
 
Dream said:
Curious about how long a run of atheism lasts. Has anyone ever heard of an atheism tradition? This 'Organized atheism' don't look so organized to me. Show me the organs that will keep it going.
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Secularization Theory

^^ check it out. Its only a brief intro, if you want some further reading, I can suggest some stuff. I think we talked about this before too didnt we? In short, secularization is posited to be systemic by some very key thinkers.

Personally, I think the level of secularization never really changed, the only difference is that its just coming out in the open now.
 
Tao_Equus said:
Given the scale of the religious lobbying within the corridors of power it is sensible and rational that those who feel disgusted at religion, of any kind, influencing legislation should come together to try and prevent it. And for the same people to be able to enjoy community activity without self-righteous idiots trying to turn their children into intellectual retards.
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Tao_Equus said:
There is a big difference between organising to promote reason and intellectual honesty than from organising based on some medieval doctrine. Trying to say it is the same thing may bring you some self-justified comfort, play to your sense of there being 'no difference', but the truth is there is all the difference in the world. Humanism has been around a while and shows no inclination to descend into the mindless drivel that religions foment. Maybe you just realise at the back of your mind somewhere that organised atheism could well render you a minority delusional 'nutter' :eek::D;)
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A self-described humanist who's into dehumanizing humans who don't think like he does? Where's my popcorn?! :D
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seattlegal said:
A self-described humanist who's into dehumanizing humans who don't think like he does? Where's my popcorn?! :D
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Ooooooooooooooo you misunderstand me.... I'm not a humanist... I'm just a non-believing sh1t stirrer ;)
 
Dream said:
Curious about how long a run of atheism lasts. Has anyone ever heard of an atheism tradition? This 'Organized atheism' don't look so organized to me. Show me the organs that will keep it going.
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True. It's hard to keep an anti-club club going.

Chris
 
everyone is anti something. jews are anti-christ. christians are anti- mohamed. muslims are anti- baha 'ulla...and they do just fine. I feel pretty confident atheists are here to stay.
 
Look, declaring as a atheist does nothing for you. It's not like putting a fish on your tailgate, or your company stationary. It doesn't help you network, especially not in the Bible belt...or anywhere else really. There was a time it could have got you killed, and maybe it still can. Atheism isn't a religion. It's not the same thing at all. Being a part of a dominant religion is like a NASCAR pit pass in our culture. It gets you all kinds of extra access and influence. Atheists get nothing like that.

Chris
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
Look, declaring as a atheist does nothing for you. It's not like putting a fish on your tailgate, or your company stationary. It doesn't help you network, especially not in the Bible belt...or anywhere else really. There was a time it could have got you killed, and maybe it still can. Atheism isn't a religion. It's not the same thing at all. Being a part of a dominant religion is like a NASCAR pit pass in our culture. It gets you all kinds of extra access and influence. Atheists get nothing like that.
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(lol)

Dude.. u know you just described the beginnings of every single major religion.... rite?
 
Avi1223 said:
Hi Bandit, were did you get this idea from, that Jews are anti - Christ ?
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it is because the jewish religion says so.

Why take things out of context like that? it was to demonstrate something as to how everyone is against something and not being for something does not mean it can't be for something else. Do you really need me to answer your question? if you were born into one of the jewish religions then you should already know there is zero tolerance for christ in the jewish religions.

jesus is an apostate and a heretic, he is bad and did not fill the jewish prophecy and yadi yadi yada. you must have nothing to do with jesus the christ if you wish to be in the jewish religion or you will be dealt with. Jews also do not like nativity scenes at Christmas and complain about them. It makes the headlines somewhere every year. Years ago I had a jewish boss who also complained about the crosses in front of peoples churches and made fun of them.

After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. jn 7:1

I have read it in other bible scriptures as well including the OT.

They hate the very thought of even the possibility of accepting christ as the korban pesach....and because I personally know enough jews who have left that religion to know that jews in the jewish religion are not for christ and are not allowed to be for christ in any way, shape or form.
 
c0de said:
(lol)

Dude.. u know you just described the beginnings of every single major religion.... rite?
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I find that some people are determined to define atheism as a religion and refuse to budge from that. Sometimes its almost like they need it to be that way as a prop for their own insecurities in their faith. Even if atheists form into a significant formal lobby they will not be a religion. An atheist can never be religious, no matter how hard you want it to be that way. As a bumper sticker Wil linked to said, "ATHEISM IS MYTH UNDERSTOOD". And it is. Persistently.
 
Tao_Equus said:
I find that some people are determined to define atheism as a religion and refuse to budge from that.
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That's so wierd, cuz I find that some people are determined to define atheism as special and refuse to budge from that.
 
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