Symmetry: Derail from Sound and Sacred Geometry

seattlegal said:
Is the title a sideways pun reference to Fi Hagat?
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Nope! :D

Sufi scholar Idries Shah relates “Baphomet” as a corruption of Romanized Abu fi’hamat, meaning the “father of understanding,” an appellation of Sufi Sheikhs, often used by Islamic Caliphs. Shah also suggests the Sufi term Ras el’fahmat, which translates as “head of knowledge.” “Probably relying on contemporary Eastern sources, Western scholars have recently supposed that „Bafomet‟ has no connection with Mohammed, but could well be a corruption of the Arabic Abufihamat (pronounced in the Moorish Spanish similar to bufihamat). The word means „father of understanding.‟


I just like adding the Egyptian Ma'at (Maat) to the end.
 
seattlegal said:
I'll tell you, creating something can really help out in that regard, especially if you pay attention to your mistakes. Your subconscious mind can bubble through to give your conscious mind a concept, or something, that your conscious mind can start to build words around. Even if you play with play-doh, or manipulate existing images in photoshop or something, it opens an avenue for your subconscious mind to "speak" to your conscious mind. It often winds up with a *doh* moment--in that you could overlook such an obvious insight.

It's worth a try. :)
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I use Paint.net ..... :)

i will give a quick example of how things work for me visually....

in trying to understand reincarnation -

I came to the question with the preconceived notion of a straight line - with points along the line representing incarnations... it was a completely visual concept and my mind continued in that vein with further prodding...

my straight line became a bullet hole in glass, with it's spreading network of cracks... with points all over the image representing incarnations running and splitting into differing directions....

once i held that concept in my mind, it became the tuft of seeds on the top of a mature dandelion - each seed blowing on the winds of change within the individual - taking incarnations to wherever they would find fertile ground in the experience of souls... and rooting and seeding there - outside of linear time... in every which direction...

may seem a simple string of thought - however it took me quite a while to trace how such changes in thought affected other concepts i was trying to get a handle on....
and experiencing these things in a way that does not involve language requires me to come up with symbols and images to return to this sphere with : and try to hold onto it as I fall under the veil once more.....

images seem the best idea - but Art..... art is subjective and would mean differing things to differing people... exactly the opposite of why i try to translate these experiences into language.... for comparison with others thoughts.... one must know where I am starting, to have a conversation which is productive...
 
Nick the Pilot said:
BMS,

I have found that the origins of Buddhism and the origins of Hinduism are very similar. The way I see it, the two religions were originally teaching the same things, but evolved into very different religions as the centuries went by.

For example, I see the Buddhist concept of Sunyata as being equal to the Hindu concept of Parabrahman, and I see the Buddhist concept of Avalokiteshvara as being equal to the Hindu concept of Brahman. There are many more examples if we only look for them.
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oh, believe me, i have stumbled and tripped over Hindu and Buddhist language for years and years.... the terms just do not stick.....

as far as a timeline goes - it would appear that there is evidence that the Hindu and Zoroastrian faiths were appearing at the same time - but the Zoroastrians claim a couple hundred years previous to the dating info about Hinduism...
and Buddhism is a relatively new comer to the scene - appearing out of the Hindu tradition around 600 years after it's inception in the earliest Vedic period......

However - my own personal spiritual experiences are trying to convince me that the timeline represented in the Urantia Book are much closer to fact...
i have no present opinion on that..... i'm leaving it open ended so as not to make claims that later prove to be misunderstandings....
But i must say: I believe Truths are brought at specific times in our timeline.... so it is more likely than not that faiths start at the same time in differing places and then intermingle - not that one must come from another...
 
Nick the Pilot said:
Radar,

I would add Christianity and Judiasm to your list. I see original Christianity and original Judiam as very similar to all of these other religions.

For example, I see

the Christian concept of the Void
the Hindu concept of Parabrahman
the Jewish concept of Ayin
the Norse mythology concept of Darkness
the Buddhist concept of Sunyata

as being identical.
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You could add Taoist Wuji to that, but Buddhist Sunyata is a wholly different concept, and does not belong on that list, imo.
 
I was speaking explicitly of the link between Vedism (early Hinduism) and Buddhism. Not to the greater realm of rligion per se.

However, both Nick's and SG's comments are pertinent if we go to that level. Sorry I was not more explicit.
 
SG,

wú​jí​, 无 极, yes, that's a good addition to the list.
http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?page=worddict&wdrst=0&wdqb=wuji

Radar,

I definitely see value in taking the discussion to the 'greater realm' of religion. Hinduism and Buddhism are branches of the same tree, and Hinduism/Buddhism and Judiasm/Christianity are bigger branches on the same, singular tree. Hinduism/Buddhism and Judiasm/Christianity are a lot less different than most people realize.

BMS,

You said, "...faiths start at the same time in differing places and then intermingle."

--> The opposite is also possible, that all of these religions sprouted from an original, single-source religion.
 
That is why I differentiate between "Religion", referrring to things like Hiduism and all of its wonderful offshoots, and "religion", referring to the direct experience of G!d (substitute your own word, Allah, Krishna, Buddahmind, or Yahweh here if you want to).
 
Nick the Pilot said:
BMS,

I have found that the origins of Buddhism and the origins of Hinduism are very similar. The way I see it, the two religions were originally teaching the same things, but evolved into very different religions as the centuries went by.

For example, I see the Buddhist concept of Sunyata as being equal to the Hindu concept of Parabrahman, and I see the Buddhist concept of Avalokiteshvara as being equal to the Hindu concept of Brahman. There are many more examples if we only look for them.
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radarmark said:
Nick, Jainism is kinda-sorta the tread linking the two. The movement is from Veddism to Jainism to Buddhism to the many individual forms of Hinduism and Buddhism found today.
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I would have to agree with radarmark here: Buddhism has much more in common with Jainism than it does with Hinduism. (Both are shramana traditions, and you can further compare the Triple Gem of Jainism (Right View, Right Knowledge, Right Conduct) with the Buddhist Noble Eightfold Path (Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livlihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration) and the way the noble eightfold path is divided into three sections parallel to the Jain Triple Gem. Buddhism also talks about Devas, like Jainism. Buddhism parts from Jainism in that it takes the Middle Way between the harmful extreme austerity of Jainism and the other extreme of sensual indulgences, by avoiding the harmful indulgences but taking care the wholesome sensual indulgences that keep you healthy.

The shramana (contemplative) traditions are a bottom-up approach that focuses on the individual, whereas Hinduism is more top-down and focuses more on society and social engineering rather than on individual transformation.
 
Tried to give you rep points (again) SG, but I guess I gave my last to you. Very, very precise and insightful comment. Just to add a little (that I think is correct and on-thread).

From wikipedia:
"Modern Hinduism is the reflection of continuity and progressive changes that occurred in various traditions and institutions of Hinduism during the 19th and 20th centuries. Its main divisions are into Vaishnavism (largely influenced by Bhakti), Shaivism, Shaktism and Smartism (Advaita Vedanta). Besides these traditional denominations, movements of Hindu revivalism look to founders such as Swami Vivekananda, Swami Dayananda (Arya Samaj), Rabindranath Tagore, Ramana Maharshi, Aurobindo, Shriram Sharma Acharya, Swami Sivananda, Swami Rama Tirtha, Narayana Guru, Paramhansa Yogananda, Swami Chinmayananda, Shrii Shrii Anandamurti, Pandurang Shastri Athavale (Swadhyay Movement) and others."

The point is that Hinduism (like any meme) evolves. And these "Vedantic" modern forms move back (a little) from the top-down to something more like Buddhism. And Buddhism itself has evolved (ch'an and zen) towards something like Daoism.

Hard to hit a moving target. Harder still to dee the movement. These changes occur over humdreds of years.
 
Nick the Pilot said:
SG,

wú​jí​, 无 极, yes, that's a good addition to the list.
Word dictionary - wuji - MDBG English to Chinese dictionary

Radar,

I definitely see value in taking the discussion to the 'greater realm' of religion. Hinduism and Buddhism are branches of the same tree, and Hinduism/Buddhism and Judiasm/Christianity are bigger branches on the same, singular tree. Hinduism/Buddhism and Judiasm/Christianity are a lot less different than most people realize.

BMS,

You said, "...faiths start at the same time in differing places and then intermingle."

--> The opposite is also possible, that all of these religions sprouted from an original, single-source religion.
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ever read any of the Urantia Book?
It's a bit much in one bite... :) ... but has some interesting ideas....

I believe ALL religion springs from a source within us - there will be religions wherever man goes.... and Yes, I DO believe there is an archetype...
 
radarmark said:
That is why I differentiate between "Religion", referrring to things like Hiduism and all of its wonderful offshoots, and "religion", referring to the direct experience of G!d (substitute your own word, Allah, Krishna, Buddahmind, or Yahweh here if you want to).
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The Dalai Lama says he PRACTICES Buddhism....

:D
 
"...ever read any of the Urantia Book?"

--> Sorry, I haven't. I guess I'll have to add it to the list of the gazillion things I'm going to do if I ever get any free time!
 
seattlegal said:
Yes, I've gone through it, but have not read all of it. Needless to say, I'm quite skeptical about it as it is a channeled work.
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I am surprised and amazed every time i go back to it's pages after periods of experiences..... i believe it may be one of the MOST clearly channeled works of our time.... but it takes leaps of understanding to make connections - which is a very difficult thing to manage.....

I find it interesting and educational how it shares info about the organization of the Heavens....
first time i read it I was CONVINCED it was just useless and peculiar...
But i must admit - that the Reality which I am discovering, most closely resembles what I read in those pages....
 
BrotherMichaelSky said:
I am surprised and amazed every time i go back to it's pages after periods of experiences..... i believe it may be one of the MOST clearly channeled works of our time.... but it takes leaps of understanding to make connections - which is a very difficult thing to manage.....

I find it interesting and educational how it shares info about the organization of the Heavens....
first time i read it I was CONVINCED it was just useless and peculiar...
But i must admit - that the Reality which I am discovering, most closely resembles what I read in those pages....
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I'll admit that there are some details in it that might ring true. I admit that much of my skepticism is prolly related to the "heavenly bureaucracy." Nothing like a bureaucracy to suck the life out of the individual.
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BMS,

I'm glad to see you have found a 'revealed' book that works for you. Many people never do, so you are fortunate.
 
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